Wal-mart Shoppers Trample A Man To Death On Black Friday

[r1v3th3ad]

Just another case of the good-Christians celebrating their pagan-originated holiday, and spreading their christianity values.

Don't turn this thread into a "My religion is better thread" by shitting on someone's faith.

Thread has said most of what it can, I think he was trying to throw a twist in to get it kicking again.

[TheScotsman]

Just another case of the good-Christians celebrating their pagan-originated holiday, and spreading their christianity values.

Don't turn this thread into a "My religion is better thread" by shitting on someone's faith.

Thread has said most of what it can, I think he was trying to throw a twist in to get it kicking again.

Not really, I was just pointing out the completely accurate facts that:
1) they were charging through the door in a frenzy created by retailers lining their coffers by establishing some stupid notion that this season is when you go buy junk, and spend your money in a rather silly, carefree manner on shinny bobbles that one would, under normal circumstance, avoid. You show me a "giving nature" or "christmas spirit" in any part of that whole scene, and I am then wrong... but I don't see any of the values Christianity professes in that whole scene.

2)All indications are that Yeshua would have been born in the spring, not winter. Some scholars lean toward the fall, but that makes no sense, everything points to lambing season, which would be the spring... not winter. Christmas was established as a way to convert pagans to Christianity by keeping a holiday around the winter solstice. The funny part is that the bible actually specifically condemns the idea of a Christmas tree without any question. It has nothing to do with a "my religion is better than yours", but rather christians in the act of complete hypocracy yet again.

[r1v3th3ad]

Just another case of the good-Christians celebrating their pagan-originated holiday, and spreading their christianity values.

Don't turn this thread into a "My religion is better thread" by shitting on someone's faith.

Thread has said most of what it can, I think he was trying to throw a twist in to get it kicking again.

Not really, I was just pointing out the completely accurate facts that:
1) they were charging through the door in a frenzy created by retailers lining their coffers by establishing some stupid notion that this season is when you go buy junk, and spend your money in a rather silly, carefree manner on shinny bobbles that one would, under normal circumstance, avoid. You show me a "giving nature" or "christmas spirit" in any part of that whole scene, and I am then wrong... but I don't see any of the values Christianity professes in that whole scene.

2)All indications are that Yeshua would have been born in the spring, not winter. Some scholars lean toward the fall, but that makes no sense, everything points to lambing season, which would be the spring... not winter. Christmas was established as a way to convert pagans to Christianity by keeping a holiday around the winter solstice. The funny part is that the bible actually specifically condemns the idea of a Christmas tree without any question. It has nothing to do with a "my religion is better than yours", but rather christians in the act of complete hypocracy yet again.

Agreed...I try to avoid the Pagan Christians arguements...too many people have their Jebus blinders on to see historical fact...
Just a brief glance: Incense, Altar, Holy Water(good ol' Moon water), not to mention all of the holidays lining up with old Pagan holidays

[Tom1]

Not really, I was just pointing out the completely accurate facts that:
1) they were charging through the door in a frenzy created by retailers lining their coffers by establishing some stupid notion that this season is when you go buy junk, and spend your money in a rather silly, carefree manner on shinny bobbles that one would, under normal circumstance, avoid. You show me a "giving nature" or "christmas spirit" in any part of that whole scene, and I am then wrong... but I don't see any of the values Christianity professes in that whole scene.

2)All indications are that Yeshua would have been born in the spring, not winter. Some scholars lean toward the fall, but that makes no sense, everything points to lambing season, which would be the spring... not winter. Christmas was established as a way to convert pagans to Christianity by keeping a holiday around the winter solstice. The funny part is that the bible actually specifically condemns the idea of a Christmas tree without any question. It has nothing to do with a "my religion is better than yours", but rather christians in the act of complete hypocracy yet again.

1) You can't say 100% of those shopping at that wal-mart were devout Christians. None of them were Jews shopping for Hannekuh? Or just people looking for deals.

2) I'm agnostic so I really don't care what the church did to convert people, but ripping on the holiday is still insensitive. Thats like me saying, HA - HA - HA Those Islamacs are at it again with their weekly Ramadan bombings.

You can say that you aren't trying turn it into a religion war, but you obviously are by belittling Christianity.

[TheScotsman]

Not really, I was just pointing out the completely accurate facts that:
1) they were charging through the door in a frenzy created by retailers lining their coffers by establishing some stupid notion that this season is when you go buy junk, and spend your money in a rather silly, carefree manner on shinny bobbles that one would, under normal circumstance, avoid. You show me a "giving nature" or "christmas spirit" in any part of that whole scene, and I am then wrong... but I don't see any of the values Christianity professes in that whole scene.

2)All indications are that Yeshua would have been born in the spring, not winter. Some scholars lean toward the fall, but that makes no sense, everything points to lambing season, which would be the spring... not winter. Christmas was established as a way to convert pagans to Christianity by keeping a holiday around the winter solstice. The funny part is that the bible actually specifically condemns the idea of a Christmas tree without any question. It has nothing to do with a "my religion is better than yours", but rather christians in the act of complete hypocracy yet again.

1) You can't say 100% of those shopping at that wal-mart were devout Christians. None of them were Jews shopping for Hannekuh? Or just people looking for deals.

2) I'm agnostic so I really don't care what the church did to convert people, but ripping on the holiday is still insensitive. Thats like me saying, HA - HA - HA Those Islamacs are at it again with their weekly Ramadan bombings.

You can say that you aren't trying turn it into a religion war, but you obviously are by belittling Christianity.

I don't have to belittle Christianity, it is doing just fine at all by itself.

"Devout" christians??? (wow, is that a vague term! What is a "devout" christian, The Pope? Jimmy Swagert? Jeremiah Wright? Martin Luther? David Koresh? I guess the right answer for today's version of christianity is all of the above! We wouldn't want to hurt any groups feelings!) I am saying the holiday never really was a true christian festival, but since well, let's aim at about 1940, and say it's not at all what it has masqueraded as. It is a chance for every mass-marketer to line up at the trough, and feed on the greed of the public. It doesn't matter the religion or lack thereof among the crowd. Unless you are taking the stand that the stores aren't catering to a holiday of a catholic church origin, that is irrelevant. My point was that christmas, as we see it now is far from any religious holiday... yet it continues to be passed of as such. Bugger insensitivity, that is just more PC garbage. Call things as they are, and quit worrying about hurting someone's precious feelings. We see 2 guys gun each other down over an argument in toys 'r us. Now we have 2 dead guys, 2 women in jail, 2 families damaged beyond repair, and some kids effectively orphan... and that is supposed to be a celebration of a christian festival? I am glad to not be part of that. People need some common sense, and maybe, just once, be held responsible for the results of their actions. Need to ask that man's family just what they want most for christmas this year. To quote a witness at the scene: "When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling 'I've been on line since yesterday morning'", You gotta love holiday compassion like that.

Your Islamic comparison would be more accurate if the radicals were shooting the crap out of eachother in the race to buy that last bomb vest in the "bomb-vests 'r us" so their kids could have the best vest on the block. There are very few Muslims that would condone a Ramadan bombing, but most every paper-christian will celebrate Christmas... and never know exactly what it is, nor where it originated.

[ColibriDon]

Not really, I was just pointing out the completely accurate facts that:
1) they were charging through the door in a frenzy created by retailers lining their coffers by establishing some stupid notion that this season is when you go buy junk, and spend your money in a rather silly, carefree manner on shinny bobbles that one would, under normal circumstance, avoid. You show me a "giving nature" or "christmas spirit" in any part of that whole scene, and I am then wrong... but I don't see any of the values Christianity professes in that whole scene.

2)All indications are that Yeshua would have been born in the spring, not winter. Some scholars lean toward the fall, but that makes no sense, everything points to lambing season, which would be the spring... not winter. Christmas was established as a way to convert pagans to Christianity by keeping a holiday around the winter solstice. The funny part is that the bible actually specifically condemns the idea of a Christmas tree without any question. It has nothing to do with a "my religion is better than yours", but rather christians in the act of complete hypocracy yet again.

1) You can't say 100% of those shopping at that wal-mart were devout Christians. None of them were Jews shopping for Hannekuh? Or just people looking for deals.

2) I'm agnostic so I really don't care what the church did to convert people, but ripping on the holiday is still insensitive. Thats like me saying, HA - HA - HA Those Islamacs are at it again with their weekly Ramadan bombings.

You can say that you aren't trying turn it into a religion war, but you obviously are by belittling Christianity.

I don't have to belittle Christianity, it is doing just fine at all by itself.

"Devout" christians??? (wow, is that a vague term! What is a "devout" christian, The Pope? Jimmy Swagert? Jeremiah Wright? Martin Luther? David Koresh? I guess the right answer for today's version of christianity is all of the above! We wouldn't want to hurt any groups feelings!) I am saying the holiday never really was a true christian festival, but since well, let's aim at about 1940, and say it's not at all what it has masqueraded as. It is a chance for every mass-marketer to line up at the trough, and feed on the greed of the public. It doesn't matter the religion or lack thereof among the crowd. Unless you are taking the stand that the stores aren't catering to a holiday of a catholic church origin, that is irrelevant. My point was that christmas, as we see it now is far from any religious holiday... yet it continues to be passed of as such. Bugger insensitivity, that is just more PC garbage. Call things as they are, and quit worrying about hurting someone's precious feelings. We see 2 guys gun each other down over an argument in toys 'r us. Now we have 2 dead guys, 2 women in jail, 2 families damaged beyond repair, and some kids effectively orphan... and that is supposed to be a celebration of a christian festival? I am glad to not be part of that. People need some common sense, and maybe, just once, be held responsible for the results of their actions. Need to ask that man's family just what they want most for christmas this year. To quote a witness at the scene: "When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling 'I've been on line since yesterday morning'", You gotta love holiday compassion like that.

Your Islamic comparison would be more accurate if the radicals were shooting the crap out of eachother in the race to buy that last bomb vest in the "bomb-vests 'r us" so their kids could have the best vest on the block. There are very few Muslims that would condone a Ramadan bombing, but most every paper-christian will celebrate Christmas... and never know exactly what it is, nor where it originated.

Wow...

Honestly, I don't know where to begin. I'm not even going to try to discuss the origins of Christmas with you because, frankly, I don't care. So, let me see if I can understand the point of your argument, because they were shopping on a day that, you claim, is a direct response to Christmas (There's no way of knowing that, and it's an opinion that is ridiculous but I'll give it to you because you seem pretty passionate about it). Because of this day and Christmas these people are dead? Ok...

I'm sorry, I just don't see it. These people died because people are fucking morons it is in no way related to Christmas. Now, if people only died in stupid ways around Christmas, I would be more inclined to agree with you but seeing as how people get killed in stupid fights every damn day, Christmas has nothing to do with it.

Honestly, I don't understand why you are so upset about Christmas. Who cares why it's celebrated? Seriously, I hate to sound clichéd, but isn't the fact that people get together with their families and enjoy themselves? What's so wrong with that? In a world that is constantly breeding hatred, cruelty, murder, and greed I find this Christmas a relief. Hallelujah, a day where my family can get together and not murder each other!

I don't mean this, in any way, as an attack against you Scotsman. You do bring up a lot of good points but I think we will simply have to agree to disagree here. hehe

[wliu003]

i thought they gave out vouchers now to avoid situations like this.

[newjacksm]

Not really, I was just pointing out the completely accurate facts that:
1) they were charging through the door in a frenzy created by retailers lining their coffers by establishing some stupid notion that this season is when you go buy junk, and spend your money in a rather silly, carefree manner on shinny bobbles that one would, under normal circumstance, avoid. You show me a "giving nature" or "christmas spirit" in any part of that whole scene, and I am then wrong... but I don't see any of the values Christianity professes in that whole scene.

2)All indications are that Yeshua would have been born in the spring, not winter. Some scholars lean toward the fall, but that makes no sense, everything points to lambing season, which would be the spring... not winter. Christmas was established as a way to convert pagans to Christianity by keeping a holiday around the winter solstice. The funny part is that the bible actually specifically condemns the idea of a Christmas tree without any question. It has nothing to do with a "my religion is better than yours", but rather christians in the act of complete hypocracy yet again.

1) You can't say 100% of those shopping at that wal-mart were devout Christians. None of them were Jews shopping for Hannekuh? Or just people looking for deals.

2) I'm agnostic so I really don't care what the church did to convert people, but ripping on the holiday is still insensitive. Thats like me saying, HA - HA - HA Those Islamacs are at it again with their weekly Ramadan bombings.

You can say that you aren't trying turn it into a religion war, but you obviously are by belittling Christianity.

I don't have to belittle Christianity, it is doing just fine at all by itself.

"Devout" christians??? (wow, is that a vague term! What is a "devout" christian, The Pope? Jimmy Swagert? Jeremiah Wright? Martin Luther? David Koresh? I guess the right answer for today's version of christianity is all of the above! We wouldn't want to hurt any groups feelings!) I am saying the holiday never really was a true christian festival, but since well, let's aim at about 1940, and say it's not at all what it has masqueraded as. It is a chance for every mass-marketer to line up at the trough, and feed on the greed of the public. It doesn't matter the religion or lack thereof among the crowd. Unless you are taking the stand that the stores aren't catering to a holiday of a catholic church origin, that is irrelevant. My point was that christmas, as we see it now is far from any religious holiday... yet it continues to be passed of as such. Bugger insensitivity, that is just more PC garbage. Call things as they are, and quit worrying about hurting someone's precious feelings. We see 2 guys gun each other down over an argument in toys 'r us. Now we have 2 dead guys, 2 women in jail, 2 families damaged beyond repair, and some kids effectively orphan... and that is supposed to be a celebration of a christian festival? I am glad to not be part of that. People need some common sense, and maybe, just once, be held responsible for the results of their actions. Need to ask that man's family just what they want most for christmas this year. To quote a witness at the scene: "When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling 'I've been on line since yesterday morning'", You gotta love holiday compassion like that.

Your Islamic comparison would be more accurate if the radicals were shooting the crap out of eachother in the race to buy that last bomb vest in the "bomb-vests 'r us" so their kids could have the best vest on the block. There are very few Muslims that would condone a Ramadan bombing, but most every paper-christian will celebrate Christmas... and never know exactly what it is, nor where it originated.

Wow...

Honestly, I don't know where to begin. I'm not even going to try to discuss the origins of Christmas with you because, frankly, I don't care. So, let me see if I can understand the point of your argument, because they were shopping on a day that, you claim, is a direct response to Christmas (There's no way of knowing that, and it's an opinion that is ridiculous but I'll give it to you because you seem pretty passionate about it). Because of this day and Christmas these people are dead? Ok...

I'm sorry, I just don't see it. These people died because people are fucking morons it is in no way related to Christmas. Now, if people only died in stupid ways around Christmas, I would be more inclined to agree with you but seeing as how people get killed in stupid fights every damn day, Christmas has nothing to do with it.

Honestly, I don't understand why you are so upset about Christmas. Who cares why it's celebrated? Seriously, I hate to sound clichéd, but isn't the fact that people get together with their families and enjoy themselves? What's so wrong with that? In a world that is constantly breeding hatred, cruelty, murder, and greed I find this Christmas a relief. Hallelujah, a day where my family can get together and not murder each other!

I don't mean this, in any way, as an attack against you Scotsman. You do bring up a lot of good points but I think we will simply have to agree to disagree here. hehe

I dont understand people. I bet you half the people in that crowd werent even shopping for christmas they were shopping to get a good deal for them selves on something they wanted all year. I know last year I did. I came home with this baby.


32inch lcd samsung that i use for everything TV, PC, XBOX

[Bulldog_916]

You too huh? Gotta love Samsung. Now the TV I have is 400 bucks and it was 700 in March. Pisses me off. Oh well, I still love it. No annoying high pitched buzzing sound.