Drug Refrences Are Now Worth 7 Days Suspension.

[shisha fan]

that makes no sense, how could using a hookah for what is was orignally meant be misuse?

[Canon]

that makes no sense, how could using a hookah for what is was orignally meant be misuse?

because its illegal
2) Do not discuss substances that are illegal in the United States. This is a US based forum and we follow US laws. See the seperate Stickie for specifics on Illegal Substances. You must be of legal smoking age in your home country to be a member of the Forum. Do not post pictures that include illegal substances or devices for smoking illegal substances. the only exception to this rule is in discussions reguarding hookah misconceptions or problems you've had while smoking your hookah. In this situation use the terms NH for a non-hookah device and NHT for non-hookah tobacco. Any other use of these terms will be considered a violation of the rules.

8) Suspension durations will vary depending on the severity of the offense and history of the individual member. These are set by the Moderators and Administrators and are not open to discussion.

[shisha fan]

that only says you can`t post about it on the forum, smoking a certain substance out of a hookah doesn`t make it misuse. hookahs were invented to smoke those things.

[Fluffy]

i read that Shisha was mixed with nht ref back in the old days (nht ref) but im not 100%

[inino]

no, thats not the only reason. when the hookah (or shisha as the egyptians call it) was first invented, it was used for that sort of stuff. and people will think what they want anyway, so it doesn`t matter if you sensor the conversation about the use of hookah with certain substances, because the people look down on hookah smoking don`t frequent this forum anyway.

this is just my opinion, and not meant to offend anyone.

The first time I went to a local smoke shop to pick up some shisha, I struck up a conversation with the owner (middle eastern) about hookahs. As I was walking out with the shisha, he said that where he's from, they don't smoke tobacco out of it. Every night after dinner his family would gather around the hookah and smoke an illegal (here) substance. That was the first time I had even considered that shisha wasn't the original substance smoked out of a hookah.

But yeah... as long as hookahs are sold in head shops that sell other types of paraphernalia, there will always be a negative stigma attached to it.

alot of smoke shop owners will tell you they smoke nht out of it when they dont. i think its just to look cool around the younger crowd and promote more sales. I am from the middle east and using a hookah for nht is extremely frowned upon.

[Giant Ninja Robot]

i read that Shisha was mixed with nht ref back in the old days (nht ref) but im not 100%

To illustrate the point, Fluffy now has a 7 day vacation.

[Zinite]

i read that Shisha was mixed with nht ref back in the old days (nht ref) but im not 100%

To illustrate the point, Fluffy now has a 7 day vacation.

Lol... makes it so much better since it's in the thread about bans due to drug references.

[Johnny_D]

that only says you can`t post about it on the forum, smoking a certain substance out of a hookah doesn`t make it misuse. hookahs were invented to smoke those things.

Your just the sort of person we need around here

[TheScotsman]

It is genuinely stupid to draw fire by being a moron. In that country that is more than willing to ban just about anything, regardless of the number of people that enjoy it, or, for just about any reason... and who has a government that would seize your house, car, dog, and maybe even your cat if you were interfering with what they have declared a "war on". It's just pissing into a strong wind to even try to skirt the edge of what is "ok" to talk about.

Liabilities being what they are, it's a reasonable policy.

[shisha fan]

that only says you can`t post about it on the forum, smoking a certain substance out of a hookah doesn`t make it misuse. hookahs were invented to smoke those things.

Your just the sort of person we need around here

glad to be here.

[staygone]

that only says you can`t post about it on the forum, smoking a certain substance out of a hookah doesn`t make it misuse. hookahs were invented to smoke those things.

Your just the sort of person we need around here

glad to be here.

I remember people always talking about traditional hookah this, tradition that. Well, if you want to be traditional, you better be packing your egyptian hookah with "tradition".

-QM Edited December 11, 2008 by QuiltedMaple

[Pilgrim]

When I was in Morocco in september, we brought our own hookah and traveled around. Every berber family we stayed at, offered us nht and said they liked to smoke it with shisha as well. One of the people we stayed at even suggested taking us to the mountains to some shepherds who lived in caves, to sleep there during the day, and smoke hookah and nht during the night, watching the stars play football .. It depends, but in a lot of places hookah was and is used to smoke nht as well as normal shisha. I do it too, occasionally.

That being said, I really like the rules here. Since it's a us-based forum, it's normal we follow those laws. Even more important to me is that this is a forum for hookah lovers who enjoy smoking shisha and love to share their experiences. If you like to smoke nht out of it, no problem, but it's really a small effort to respect those who don't and keep nht away from here. Turning this forum into a narcotics convention is the last thing we need.

[GreatPigHookah]

That being said, I really like the rules here. Since it's a us-based forum, it's normal we follow those laws. Even more important to me is that this is a forum for hookah lovers who enjoy smoking shisha and love to share their experiences. If you like to smoke nht out of it, no problem, but it's really a small effort to respect those who don't and keep nht away from here. Turning this forum into a narcotics convention is the last thing we need.

That's my feelings as well. I respect and abide by the rules of the forum. I understand them and why they were put into place. At the same time I don't really appreciate the self-righteous, hypocrytical, negative attitude from those that look down on users of NHT. The vast majority of NHT users I have met are far from the typical loser, brain-dead stereotype that non-users want to make all of them out to be. It's even more ironic that some shisha smokers can act this way when they are treated similarly by a large number of people just for smoking tobacco. I would think tobacco smokers would be a bit more understanding.

[dafunk5446]

That being said, I really like the rules here. Since it's a us-based forum, it's normal we follow those laws. Even more important to me is that this is a forum for hookah lovers who enjoy smoking shisha and love to share their experiences. If you like to smoke nht out of it, no problem, but it's really a small effort to respect those who don't and keep nht away from here. Turning this forum into a narcotics convention is the last thing we need.

That's my feelings as well. I respect and abide by the rules of the forum. I understand them and why they were put into place. At the same time I don't really appreciate the self-righteous, hypocrytical, negative attitude from those that look down on users of NHT. The vast majority of NHT users I have met are far from the typical loser, brain-dead stereotype that non-users want to make all of them out to be. It's even more ironic that some shisha smokers can act this way when they are treated similarly by a large number of people just for smoking tobacco. I would think tobacco smokers would be a bit more understanding.

+1 to both comments

Sorry I grew up in Canada, and they have a very different view on NHT then the USA. At least where I grew up.

I dont use NHT, but I dont frown upon it. I dont like that hookahs are associated it with it, but there is nothing you can do about that, and it will never change. Like stated above, most of the people I know who do use it are not the brain dead hippies everybody thinks they are. Sure you have some bad examples that perpetuate this sterotype, but a lot arent.

At the same time, when I go to a bar and see guys kneeling in piss, with their heads in a toilet bowl, that someone recently used for a #2, it kinda makes be wonder which substance should be illegal.

[Dirk Skene]

I've been out for longer than I ment to. I am reading before I get back into posting regularly, but I just had to comment here. I find it hard to understand, Mushrat, why you must mention this. I guess it is because folks are not reading the rules. You make that very, very clear. O'well. At least be assured you'll have no problem from me.

[mushrat]

I've been out for longer than I ment to. I am reading before I get back into posting regularly, but I just had to comment here. I find it hard to understand, Mushrat, why you must mention this. I guess it is because folks are not reading the rules. You make that very, very clear. O'well. At least be assured you'll have no problem from me.

Ya, because we've had 4-5 peopel in the last week mention all sorts of stuff in chat and posts.
Look, If folks don't like the rules..don't post/visit the forum. No one is making anyone come here. But if you are going to stay )not you particularly, the general "you") then you will abide by the rules. Simple.

Others who didnt like the way we do things have gone and formed other forums. 2 have survived. Try talking about illegal stuff there and see what happens.

[Kathrynx]

How many more people are going to "toe the line" with a simple post of "Hey, its 7 days now."?

[ilikemyusername]

good idea, even better, what if people who are suspended have to pay 10 bucks to get thier account reinstated? support the forum, kinda like community service.

bring on the bashing, i wont be on again for a month or so, so i wont see it.
on the upside though, oh, screw.man,

[Rayneuki]

I don't give a crap if someone smokes NHT, or if they do it out of their hookah or some NHD. I just don't want to hear about it, because I'd like to keep the government from searching my home.

I dunno, I've had family members get really messed up on NHT, my mother has brain lesions from NHT... I'm pretty against it due to that.

Anyhow, good going Mush. It's only right that they follow the rules, there's no point in ignoring them...

[mushrat]

good idea, even better, what if people who are suspended have to pay 10 bucks to get thier account reinstated? support the forum, kinda like community service.

bring on the bashing, i wont be on again for a month or so, so i wont see it.
on the upside though, oh, screw.man,

heh.. i like that idea...but...no.

[wiggle]

In my opinion we are posting more about NHT and rules since before the ban's. as they say the more illegal the more popular

[srawas89]

Well first of all I am glad I got suspended for 5-days right before it switched to a 7 day suspension (word of advice....don't turn your self in ). Anyway I def. agree with all this although I had made a simple mistake I respect the rules and took the vacation even though it was painful....I love this place haha. Oh and by the way for those who say that this rule is stupid there is a reason for it as stated in the post about the discussion of NHT and the like in the rules section (I had some time to read the rules again GNR lol)
"We do NOT want people to come to this forum and find any connection between hookahs and illegal substances. This will only give them ammuntion to use in anti hookah campaigns. 'See, this person says they smoke nht and hookahs, so we should ban hookahs!' While the vast majority of us don't do illegal drugs and would never think of using our hookahs for the same, we KNOW that the few mentions will be the ones these types of people will look at."
That reason in its self is exactly why I agree with the new ban even if it means that if I slip up again I wont be here anymore. The reason stated above is the pretty much because the forum is US-based and these days smoking bans and crackdowns on NHT have increased drastically. Edited December 13, 2008 by Canon

[modisess]

I remember seeing a set of forums once where the first 10 times you logged in it automatically redirected you to a rules page where you had to individually click each rules to acknowledge you understood it. Wonder if we could set something like that up around here.

I dont know why people hasn't emphasized on this yet. This is a terrific idea.

Well first of all I am glad I got suspended for 5-days right before it switched to a 7 day suspension (word of advice....don't turn your self in ). Anyway I def. agree with all this although I had made a simple mistake I respect the rules and took the vacation even though it was painful....I love this place haha. Oh and by the way for those who say that this rule is stupid there is a reason for it as stated in the post about the discussion of NHT and the like in the rules section (I had some time to read the rules again GNR lol)
"We do NOT want people to come to this forum and find any connection between hookahs and illegal substances. This will only give them ammuntion to use in anti hookah campaigns. 'See, this person says they smoke NHT and hookahs, so we should ban hookahs!' While the vast majority of us don't do illegal drugs and would never think of using our hookahs for the same, we KNOW that the few mentions will be the ones these types of people will look at."
That reason in its self is exactly why I agree with the new ban even if it means that if I slip up again I wont be here anymore. The reason stated above is the pretty much because the forum is US-based and these days smoking bans and crackdowns on NHT have increased drastically.

You missed one word there (BOLDED). Sorry. People in my country or i guess my state, regularly call the hookah an NH device. It's pretty damn irritating when they do.

[Evildave]

As much as it saddens me to see the stateside rahrah-war-on-drugz affect my happy internet time, i do understand Mushrat's trench-view of fortifying against rahrah-warfare fanatics, concerned mothers, The_american_coalition_against_things_that_are_bad_for_you, well meaning penpushers , asshole cops and all other kinds of official hindances.

When manning a trench facing up against such a scary bunch, one would want to make sure everyone on his side of the trench ain't doing something stupid. He's just making sure only the right people stay in this trench, I guess.

[mushrat]

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