Buzz Maker!

[staygone]

Tobacco, glycerin, molasses, flavoring and coal. sometimes caffeine too, thats what i smoke everytime i smoke a bowl of tangiers. you have to look at it this way, there is a lot of NHT out there and some of it will kill you, some of it will fuck you up. then comes someone who asks if people will put something into the shisha they smoke daily, weekly or monthly and wont tell them what it is people are not going to want to do it.

It's strange when people are getting on someone's case about how they won't use it solely for the fact that they don't know what's in it. Even if we had a comprehensive list of every ingredient in every product we consume, it won't do much good for us anyways considering we probably have no clue as to what "natural flavors" make up blueberry, peach, pumpkin pie, etc. that we smoke.

-QM Edited December 12, 2008 by QuiltedMaple

[questions]

Tobacco, glycerin, molasses, flavoring and coal. sometimes caffeine too, thats what i smoke everytime i smoke a bowl of tangiers. you have to look at it this way, there is a lot of NHT out there and some of it will kill you, some of it will fuck you up. then comes someone who asks if people will put something into the shisha they smoke daily, weekly or monthly and wont tell them what it is people are not going to want to do it.

It's strange when people are getting on someone's case about how they won't use it solely for the fact that they don't know what's in it. Even if we had a comprehensive list of every ingredient in every product we consume, it won't do much good for us anyways considering we probably have no clue as to what "natural flavors" make up blueberry, peach, pumpkin pie, etc. that we smoke.

-QM

Thank you so much

[Stuie]

most definitely wouldn't do it, especially if its a "trade-secret" as to whats in it.

why?

Pretty sure you are required by law to prints what's in there.

Secondly I have some weird allergies... What if i use it not knowing... Well at least my wife will be a very rich person after that!

[questions]

most definitely wouldn't do it, especially if its a "trade-secret" as to whats in it.

why?

Pretty sure you are required by law to prints what's in there.

Secondly I have some weird allergies... What if i use it not knowing... Well at least my wife will be a very rich person after that!

I have clearly stated already..that I will have to put the ingredients on the jar, but I don't want to give out this info now..but I will say, it is nicotine..that is all..so if you smoke hookah already than you already have proved your not going to die

[r1v3th3ad]

most definitely wouldn't do it, especially if its a "trade-secret" as to whats in it.

why?

Pretty sure you are required by law to prints what's in there.

Secondly I have some weird allergies... What if i use it not knowing... Well at least my wife will be a very rich person after that!

over three thousand unidentified chemicals in cigs.

I still wouldn't do it because of my above stated

[Rayneuki]

Tobacco, glycerin, molasses, flavoring and coal. sometimes caffeine too, thats what i smoke everytime i smoke a bowl of tangiers. you have to look at it this way, there is a lot of NHT out there and some of it will kill you, some of it will fuck you up. then comes someone who asks if people will put something into the shisha they smoke daily, weekly or monthly and wont tell them what it is people are not going to want to do it.

It's strange when people are getting on someone's case about how they won't use it solely for the fact that they don't know what's in it. Even if we had a comprehensive list of every ingredient in every product we consume, it won't do much good for us anyways considering we probably have no clue as to what "natural flavors" make up blueberry, peach, pumpkin pie, etc. that we smoke.

-QM

You're able to look up what 'Natural Flavors' are:
the definition of “natural flavor” under the Code of Federal Regulations is: “the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional” (21CFR101.22). Any other added flavor therefore is artificial. (For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used to flavor food must be declared on the label as such).

You can also look it up. From http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Help/FAQs_Flavorings/index.asp#1

What substances or ingredients can be listed as "natural flavor," "flavor," or "flavorings" rather than by a specific common or usual name?
Ingredients such as ginger, black pepper, onion powder, garlic powder, celery powder, and garlic oil may be listed as one of the three categories mentioned above. They may be designated as "natural flavors" because they are substances used chiefly for flavor. They do not make a nutritional contribution, are not derived from an animal species, and there are no health concerns linked to them.

[staygone]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester

All these are natural too, I'm saying that in a particular tobacco, natural flavor constitutes fo a variety of things. We don't know them, even if we did, we have no idea if they are good or not. People are questioning this buzz enhancer because they don't know what's in it. Even if we did, that does not mean that it is worst, better, whatever. Just don't knock a product when you don't know everthing in it because you shouldn't be smoking modern tobacco for the same reason.

I don't like hypocrisy tis all.

-QM Edited December 12, 2008 by QuiltedMaple

[Kathrynx]

you all have written about tricks and what nots to give more of a buzz to your bowls, why do you want me to remind you all what I and you all know..
it is mixture of all natural ingrediants that are completely legal that will kick the nicotine buzz up tremendously if applicated correctly.

The only "trick" that I've seen on the forum is the quote below me, where have we "talked" about tricks and what not to give us more of a buzz?

Save up shisha stems and drop a couple on the top of your shisha when you load a bowl.

[jezter6]

I'll attack this question from multiple angles.

First, I doubt this is the place for market research for a product of this type. In general, this forum is pretty 'natural' and with our anti-NHT policy (and some of the other legal herbals that are of a questionable nature). Would a bunch of 18-24 year olds who have different opinions use it? I would bet on it. There are enough "I want buzz" kids out there. I deal with a similar thing in homebrewing (beer). There's a 1% ABV booster, and the young'ns always want to kick their beer up to get super buzzed, and they're the ones into it. In reality - this product is just 1# of corn sugar. Marketed correctly, this otherwise tame ingredient is incredibly popular.

In the end, you're probably doing the same thing. Some people call it taking advantage of marketing misconceptions, and others call it free market capitalism. Is it sketchy? Maybe. Is it your right? Absolutely. I understand you're trying to protect your new 'big idea' right now, but if it's quick and easy and people already do it for much cheaper, then I think you're verging on predatory tactics.

I think the reason you won't tell people is because we can already do it, cheaper. If we know in advance, we won't buy the product. I'm sure that the marketing of the 'buzz powder' will try to hide it and you'll only find out by reading the package after you bought it and get pissed off once you know what it is. My bet is you'd get a few initial purchases by the curious, but once word gets out what it actually is - it'll be limited to people who aren't research savvy and just want the buzz.

I'm pretty sure I know what it is anyway, and if it IS what I think it is - then no, I wouldn't buy it because I think it is a retarded idea. Once word gets out and I'm wrong, then maybe I'd consider it as a novelty item, but certainly not an every-bowl kind of thing.

[rtz]

I dont know why people are getting so worked up about it this.. I'd definetly try it.

[Bye bye now have fun]

maybe its just me but i love having a few drink and smoking the "buzz" is second to none

[NarghileNights]

no, i don't smoke hookah to get a buzz... brehh...

no.

[ColibriDon]

I'm intrigued...I don't really smoke for buzz, I smoke for flavor. That being said, I would buy it to try it out and I'm sure my roommates would love it. Hell, one of my roommates smokes exclusively for the buzz.

Everybody's different but I say try to make it. If it works, hey you make some cash. If it doesn't work, well, you learned your lesson.

Good luck with whatever you do though.

[questions]

well thank you all for helping me come to some conclusions about what I should do here...I am going to go ahead with my initial idea and you will see it in stores in the future.
if you don't want to try it when you see it, I will say to you, ok...don't try it
I will send samples out but only to my stores that support my product. as at least I get honest reviews from these people without wasting my time...
ok...I never wanted to offend any of you..so sorry if I did
thanks again

[mattarios2]

I wouldn't use it, allset with more added ingredients than necessary, just smoke tangiers or nakhla and be done with it. If you want to be able to get a buzz with washed flavors like AF, fusion, etc, then mix AF or fusion with nakhla or tangiers.

[Stuie]

questions I don't think anyone was offended, just merely weary. This is a new concept with something we no nothing about on how it will effect us. We just wanted to play extra cautious with the idea. Hey I am willing to try it. Just keep in mind any additive to hookah has a bad stigma here. I hardly get a buzz anymore, so if it can get me one, I will definitely try it for SURE!

[questions]

questions I don't think anyone was offended, just merely weary. This is a new concept with something we no nothing about on how it will effect us. We just wanted to play extra cautious with the idea. Hey I am willing to try it. Just keep in mind any additive to hookah has a bad stigma here. I hardly get a buzz anymore, so if it can get me one, I will definitely try it for SURE!

well, thanks, I understand about being weary of a new product.....so..I am going to put this on the market and see what you guys think afterwards..
thanks