Global Warming

[judgeposer]

I thought I'd share something I recently encountered: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...c8-3c63dc2d02cb

[NickReppinThe909]

i am too lazy to read that whole thing so can it be summed up ?

[AKammenzind]

Meh... does it matter? I kinda hope global warming is real, and that it speeds up very quickly. Mainly because I'd be sitting here in Pittsburgh watching getting my lawl on as the biggest cities in the US got completely pwned by water. Yes, I know there are tons of negatives for me... but I just don't think they'd outweigh the awesome.

[Voski]

Pretty much says global warming is BS I didn't real all of it though. My teacher mentioned something that they studied the climate for 15 years and there was no difference.

[gaia.plateau]

You linked a year-old hackpiece which had this as a link. Is that what was meant?

Just a few things to point out... the article boasts that the 650 dissenting scientists, from unnamed states, are "more than 12 times the number that authored the ICPP". This really isn't impressive, 52 people collectively wrote the study, and it had over fifteen thousand prominent scientists supporting it.

650 neocon creationists on government payroll vs. 15,000 scientists from nearly every country on earth... hmmmm... who has more credibility...

Further, I think the credibility of this whole committee is pretty apparent to anyone reading...

Breakdown Of Key Points Debunking Cilmate Fears

Personally I'm intrigued as to what "Cilmate Fears" are... are Cilmates anything like Primates, but more evil? Because if so, I feel that our Cilmate Fears are justified.



This part actually made me laugh out loud;

Hollywood activist Leonardo DiCaprio decided to toss objective scientific truth out the window in his new scarefest "The 11th Hour." DiCaprio refused to interview any scientists who disagreed with his dire vision of the future of the Earth.

All of this just hilariously reeks of dualistic, ultrabiased neoconservative propaganda. I think it's quite obvious who the administrator of this webpage is...



Appropriately, my indifference and incredulity at these kinds of government sponsored blogs, is...

Well, isn't that special.

[Mirus]

Gaia, I love you.



Completely plutonic, of course.

[gaia.plateau]

Gaia, I love you.



Completely plutonic, of course.

Can we have plutonic babies together?

[Mirus]

Of course! Can the first one be named Megatron and the second Jean Luc?


And I just watched that new-ish movie about the end of the world due to rapid climate shift. I believe the first half is possible, but the fact a huge storm like that fixed itself that quickly? Nah.

[gaia.plateau]

The Day After Tomorrow?

The true disaster is the film itself

[judgeposer]

You linked a year-old hackpiece which had this as a link. Is that what was meant?

Just a few things to point out... the article boasts that the 650 dissenting scientists, from unnamed states, are "more than 12 times the number that authored the ICPP". This really isn't impressive, 52 people collectively wrote the study, and it had over fifteen thousand prominent scientists supporting it.

650 neocon creationists on government payroll vs. 15,000 scientists from nearly every country on earth... hmmmm... who has more credibility...

Further, I think the credibility of this whole committee is pretty apparent to anyone reading...

Breakdown Of Key Points Debunking Cilmate Fears

Personally I'm intrigued as to what "Cilmate Fears" are... are Cilmates anything like Primates, but more evil? Because if so, I feel that our Cilmate Fears are justified.

This part actually made me laugh out loud;

Hollywood activist Leonardo DiCaprio decided to toss objective scientific truth out the window in his new scarefest "The 11th Hour." DiCaprio refused to interview any scientists who disagreed with his dire vision of the future of the Earth.

All of this just hilariously reeks of dualistic, ultrabiased neoconservative propaganda. I think it's quite obvious who the administrator of this webpage is...

Appropriately, my indifference and incredulity at these kinds of government sponsored blogs, is...

Well, isn't that special.

Yeah, that's what I meant to link.

"neocon creationists on government payroll vs. 15,000 scientists from nearly every country on earth" - haha

If we used government-sponsored scientific research as a measure for invalidity, we're in trouble, to say the least. Also, there's no need to straw-man the 650 scientists as neocon creationists, especially without further connecting the 650 scientists to junk-creationism. As a neocon, I don't understand why you believe this has anything to do with neocon politics. The genetic fallacy - which says in short that we should not confuse the origin of a claim for its merits - prohibits us from assesing the work of these scientists based on their ideological persuasions, which we don't know anyhow.

Among the scientists who do not believe in the demagoguery of climate change/global warming, we find former nobel prize winners and equally well-published and credentialed scientists who find themselves excluded from the "debate" because they do not happen to share the conclusion that global warming is either man-made or has as an exclusive cause human behavior.

[gaia.plateau]

"neocon creationists on government payroll vs. 15,000 scientists from nearly every country on earth" - haha

If we used government-sponsored scientific research as a measure for invalidity, we're in trouble, to say the least. Also, there's no need to straw-man the 650 scientists as neocon creationists, especially without further connecting the 650 scientists to junk-creationism. As a neocon, I don't understand why you believe this has anything to do with neocon politics.

Neoncon politics revolves around two things - manipulating public opinion through the distraction and idealization of Christian values, and manipulating global paradigms for economic and geopolitical gain.

IF manmade global warming threatens human existence on this planet, as the vast majority of scientists have concluded it does, the US is necessarily pressured, and as its hegemony continues to wan, forced into economically unfavourably environmental actions.

Therefore the neoconservative (and neoliberal) imperative requires that the state do everything possible to debunk the idea of global warming, and especially manmade global warming.

Given these verifiable and widely recognized facts, I don't understand why you believe this does not have everything to do with neocon politics. Of course scientists who are paid by those who expect a certain conclusion are going to come to that conclusion.

Among the scientists who do not believe in the demagoguery of climate change/global warming, we find former nobel prize winners and equally well-published and credentialed scientists who find themselves excluded from the "debate" because they do not happen to share the conclusion that global warming is either man-made or has as an exclusive cause human behavior.

Find me one highly likely theory, including gravity, that does not have relevant and repudible contention. And you can't use the example I gave you: gravity has been disputed fervently in quantum physics, that is, there is significant evidence suggesting that gravity cannot physically exist in one dimension alone, or it would crush us all.

The fact that several highly regarded scientists have contended the theory based on counterevidence does not insubstantiate the reality that the vast majority of those 650 scientists are illegitimate as proponents. Edited December 16, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[Bulldog_916]

You linked a year-old hackpiece which had this as a link. Is that what was meant?

Just a few things to point out... the article boasts that the 650 dissenting scientists, from unnamed states, are "more than 12 times the number that authored the ICPP". This really isn't impressive, 52 people collectively wrote the study, and it had over fifteen thousand prominent scientists supporting it.

650 neocon creationists on government payroll vs. 15,000 scientists from nearly every country on earth... hmmmm... who has more credibility...

Further, I think the credibility of this whole committee is pretty apparent to anyone reading...

Breakdown Of Key Points Debunking Cilmate Fears

Personally I'm intrigued as to what "Cilmate Fears" are... are Cilmates anything like Primates, but more evil? Because if so, I feel that our Cilmate Fears are justified.

This part actually made me laugh out loud;

Hollywood activist Leonardo DiCaprio decided to toss objective scientific truth out the window in his new scarefest "The 11th Hour." DiCaprio refused to interview any scientists who disagreed with his dire vision of the future of the Earth.

All of this just hilariously reeks of dualistic, ultrabiased neoconservative propaganda. I think it's quite obvious who the administrator of this webpage is...

Appropriately, my indifference and incredulity at these kinds of government sponsored blogs, is...

Well, isn't that special.

Yeah, that's what I meant to link.

"neocon creationists on government payroll vs. 15,000 scientists from nearly every country on earth" - haha

If we used government-sponsored scientific research as a measure for invalidity, we're in trouble, to say the least. Also, there's no need to straw-man the 650 scientists as neocon creationists, especially without further connecting the 650 scientists to junk-creationism. As a neocon, I don't understand why you believe this has anything to do with neocon politics. The genetic fallacy - which says in short that we should not confuse the origin of a claim for its merits - prohibits us from assesing the work of these scientists based on their ideological persuasions, which we don't know anyhow.

Among the scientists who do not believe in the demagoguery of climate change/global warming, we find former nobel prize winners and equally well-published and credentialed scientists who find themselves excluded from the "debate" because they do not happen to share the conclusion that global warming is either man-made or has as an exclusive cause human behavior.

I hope those 650 scientists are the first ones on boats rescuing people in New York, New Orleans, South Florida, and all the little islands that will disappear as the water from melting glaciers causes the ocean levels to rise. If they say it isnt happening or it cant happen, I seriously doubt they are scientists without an agenda or a pocketbook somewhere.

BTW: Tell me that ocean levels arent rising when salt water is coming up into the river system as far as it's ever come before in the Sacramento River. Hundreds of feet past the saline gates it used to stay away from during the summer. Edited December 16, 2008 by Bulldog_916

[TheScotsman]

It seems insane to hear about global warming when last night this deep-freeze hit a low of -50F wind chill... and there is little north of the Mason-Dixon that has a temp above zero at the moment. Where the hell is AlGore when you need the beady-eyed bastard?

all those 15000 scientists did is multiply the number of scientists out of touch with reality by a bit over 23X. I think the truth lies somewhere between the fear-mongers telling us the world will end in a sauna tomorrow, and the other lot hiding their heads in the sand thinking nothing will ever change. Remember the impending doom we heard about less than 15 years ago? Then it was going to get colder, and everything was going to freeze solid, forever. All the scientists were agreeing about that as an unavoidable happening too... and it didn't, well, at least not until this last week.

Now time to go turn on all the incandescent lights, shoot freon-12 cans into the atmosphere, let my truck idle 24 hours a day in hope of causing some warming... before the whole place turns into an icicle, and I start saying "eh?" and "abooot" far too much, eh? (damn, it's happening already)

[gaia.plateau]

Global warming isn't a one-off shift 30 degrees warmer; the only way that could happen is for about 5 days, if the sun supernova'd. If the global temperature changes even .5 degrees it means catastrophic change, and we've gone up 2.5 in the last several decades, which is why you now see penguins swimming to Brazil in search of food, malarial mosquitoes spreading into much wider areas, and water levels rising ubiquitously.

And no one said that it would get hotter, they said that weather would become more erratic. It was 10+ here about 2 weeks ago, and in the space of 2 days it shifted to 42-. That's what I would call erratic.

But it's completely irrelevant: climate change might kill us in 50 years, pollution and overshoot will likely kill us in 8 or 9, and there are a thousand things that might do it in as little as 4.

So waste as many aerosol cans as you like

[TheScotsman]

You forgot to say "eh", ya hoser.


The only way to get any heat out of these little cans it to grab a lighter, and make them into little flamethrowers!

The weather has definitely gotten stranger of recent. there really is no arguing that. One has to wonder if the source is simply man-made, or a composite of natural events, and man. Then, if it is man made, what we can reasonably do to avert the problem, at least to a degree. With 6,700,000,000 people jacking up the environment to the best of their abilities, the choices are limited. I think one could pass all the emissions regs, and enviro laws you could immagine, until we have an effective population limit it's all downhill... at least until nature limits the population for us.

Besides, think of the great scuba diving opportunities in a sunken new york!

[gaia.plateau]

Besides, think of the great scuba diving opportunities in a sunken new york!

I'm sold.

[Rayneuki]

Global warming isn't a one-off shift 30 degrees warmer; the only way that could happen is for about 5 days, if the sun supernova'd. If the global temperature changes even .5 degrees it means catastrophic change, and we've gone up 2.5 in the last several decades, which is why you now see penguins swimming to Brazil in search of food, malarial mosquitoes spreading into much wider areas, and water levels rising ubiquitously.

And no one said that it would get hotter, they said that weather would become more erratic. It was 10+ here about 2 weeks ago, and in the space of 2 days it shifted to 42-. That's what I would call erratic.

But it's completely irrelevant: climate change might kill us in 50 years, pollution and overshoot will likely kill us in 8 or 9, and there are a thousand things that might do it in as little as 4.

So waste as many aerosol cans as you like

It was 32F here yesterday and today it's 60F... I'd agree, pretty erratic. :]

I'm not sure if I think that global warming is real, or if it's some giant cycle that the earth goes through...

But hell, scuba-diving in new york could be fun as hell.

[*Veritas*]

I may be off in my thinking here but just hear me out for a second.

I honestly dont think the glaciers melting will make the earth flood. When water freezes it expands. So once the glacier melts it wont just suddenly raise the water level. And 90 percent of a glacier is underwater anyway so why would the water level change enough to cover vast areas of land.

[NickReppinThe909]

all i know is that im going to continue driving my emissions equipment free vehicles, i will keep burning my pool covers when its time to get a new one and i will continue using used motor oil as a errosion controlling fluid. why you may ask ? because it is hot as shit in so cal during the summer and i would love for it to cool the fuck down here (i hate 100+ degree weather). call me an ignorant asshole who is ruining the enviroment if you want but i honestly dont care what people think of me i do my own thing my way within the confines of the law so until it is illegal to not care about whats going to happen long after im dead and gone i will keep my stance

[smokeytheclown]

Watch " The Great Global Warming Swindle " . The earth goes through these cycles regularly, and my CO2 spewing ain't doing a damn thing to cause it. I got your 'carbon footprint' hanging, AlGore.

[NickReppinThe909]

fuck al gore all the shit and hot air hes spewing is the reason all this shit is happening

[joytron]

I think everyone needs to come together and agree on one thing...


we are fucked.



Have you ever thought about how amazing it is that the earth can even sustain life? Maybe Global Warming is just earth's way of saying its time for you humans to go, you have been at the top long enough.

[gaia.plateau]

Chill out, we can relax.

Evidently, gay people are more destructive to the planet than environmental degradation and imminent collapse.

[wpw36]

i call bs on global warming the past weeks in ne/ia have been like -26 with windchill and have pretty much blown past the record low temps and we have got more snow then i can ever remember

[joytron]

the name global warming means exactly what it is. It is the Earth as a whole is warming not just wherever you live. Actually one of the signs of global warming is intense winters and the like. As the Earth changes it becomes more violent and unpredictable, hence record lows and hurricane storms in places scientists thought there never could be. I am suprised more people are not thinking we are spewing toxins into the atmosphere, destroying the evironment, and overpopulating every liveable corner and yet we are not going to suffer from consequences