Global Warming

[dafunk5446]

i call bs on global warming the past weeks in ne/ia have been like -26 with windchill and have pretty much blown past the record low temps and we have got more snow then i can ever remember

See post below

the name global warming means exactly what it is. It is the Earth as a whole is warming not just wherever you live. Actually one of the signs of global warming is intense winters and the like. As the Earth changes it becomes more violent and unpredictable, hence record lows and hurricane storms in places scientists thought there never could be. I am suprised more people are not thinking we are spewing toxins into the atmosphere, destroying the evironment, and overpopulating every liveable corner and yet we are not going to suffer from consequences

This is what alot of people do not understand, they think the world will get super hot, not the case. We will see warmer then normal summers, and colder then normal winters. This is not the case everywhere though. As the earth heats up and the poles and glaciers melt, more freshwater will be put into the ocean changing the oceans currents. This is turn effects the heating of the plant, so inessence the jet streams will be directly effected. Now if it really gets out of hand, it will warm the water in the deepest parts of the ocean, and all the methane gas that is trapped down there (due to the extreme cold and pressure) will be released, then we are really fucked. This is also happening with the tundra's. Once there is enough methane in the air it can combust due to thunderstorms, this huge fire ball will consume the earth and use up all the oxygen, at which point we will be dead. Now if this doesnt happen, we will then have to much greenhouse gas in the atmosphere and we will experience the same thing as venus, the run-away-greenhouse effect. In which the tempretures will become so hot that it will start to suck the greenhouse gases out of rocks, further sealing our inevitable doom.

Like stated before we are fucked

[TheScotsman]

i call bs on global warming the past weeks in ne/ia have been like -26 with windchill and have pretty much blown past the record low temps and we have got more snow then i can ever remember

I'm going to have to agree. It's just a fad/junk science that seems to be the in thing with the activist crowd.

[boothill]

Hey guys,

Global warming is something that comes up from time to time with my smoking buddies. Can anyone link to the results of a study that uses experimental data and empirical evidence that either supports or casts doubt upon current global warming theories such as those presented by Al Gore, or Chris Horner, Tim Ball, and Professor S. Fred Singer?

By empirical I mean quantitative results like numbers derived from controlled experiments, not qualitative results and anecdotal evidence such as: there are more/less sun flares, the glaciers are melting, the ice core says this/that, there are hurricanes where there have not been in the past, the polar bears are dying, etc.

I have trouble finding any experimental evidence that supports either the position of Mr. Gore or his aforementioned opponents Horner, Ball, and Singer. One of the biggest problems facing us in regard to global warming is that even the 'experts' on both sides of the debate are still in the theory stages. They have lots of ideas and opinions without hard scientific results to back it up.

[Bulldog_916]

all i know is that im going to continue driving my emissions equipment free vehicles, i will keep burning my pool covers when its time to get a new one and i will continue using used motor oil as a errosion controlling fluid. why you may ask ? because it is hot as shit in so cal during the summer and i would love for it to cool the fuck down here (i hate 100+ degree weather). call me an ignorant asshole who is ruining the enviroment if you want but i honestly dont care what people think of me i do my own thing my way within the confines of the law so until it is illegal to not care about whats going to happen long after im dead and gone i will keep my stance

Do what you will, but please do not have children. I know it's within your rights here to have them. But PLEASE refrain.

fuck al gore all the shit and hot air hes spewing is the reason all this shit is happening

Because yes, pointing it out to everyone in a digestible way is the causal reason for it happening in the first place. Awesome logic. I dont think I could break through that barrier.

i call bs on global warming the past weeks in ne/ia have been like -26 with windchill and have pretty much blown past the record low temps and we have got more snow then i can ever remember

Apparently, you dont know how they measure global temperature. They dont measure one area and say, "hey it's really cold here, there must not be any global warming." That'd be like me saying "I cant find any kosher food around this city, there must not be any Jews on earth." Using one location to measure whether or not the earth has warmed up is assinine. They measure it globally by taking daily temperatures of locations all over the world for the entire year and then averaging those out. Most of the variables such as urbanization, climate variation, etc are accounted for.

They've been doing this for a while now, well over 30 years. If there were a flaw in the measurements, they would have caught it by now.

[TheScotsman]

The problem with the whole concept is a simple one.
ALL models are relying on 100% positive feedback for every single event in the chain to result in the warming events. Building a model on such biased "science" is stupid from a statistical or scientific point of view, but more, it is completely unethical to call it a certainty. It's just the typical scare tactic we see from the loonies. Bunch of damn chicken-littles. Remember... these same scientists told us NY was going to be under 20' of ice by 2050, and the toxic waters of lake Erie was going to spill through the great lakes, making them virtual dead seas by 2010. Oh, yes, then they said the taconite tailings in lake Superior would give everyone along the great lakes liver cancer by 2000. Again... just a bunch of chicken-littles justifying their grants.

To prove warming is incorrect is to prove a negative, and leaves you at a disadvantage. To prove their science wrong takes little more than a C+ in 9th grade science.

The first thing, and possibly one of the biggest savings of "greenhouse gas emissions" is for all you people living in air conditioned houses, and working in air conditioned offices to get rid of the AC. Until you take that step, you are nothing more than another clueless hypocrite blabbering in the dark.

[gaia.plateau]

Building a model on such biased "science" is stupid from a statistical or scientific point of view, but more, it is completely unethical to call it a certainty.

Completely irrelevant; obviously it is completely unethical to call anything a certainty, therefore making explicit the implicit qualification is entirely unnecessary.

It's just the typical scare tactic we see from the loonies. Bunch of damn chicken-littles.

Yes, the fifteen thousand most reputable and established scientists on earth are conspiring to create unnecessary panic, in order to... funnel carbon taxes into a secret bank account? Assassinate Obama? Reempower the Free Masons? Construct an alien beacon?

You're one of those people that thinks 9/11 was done with controlled explosions, aren't you?

Remember... these same scientists told us NY was going to be under 20' of ice by 2050, and the toxic waters of lake Erie was going to spill through the great lakes, making them virtual dead seas by 2010. Oh, yes, then they said the taconite tailings in lake Superior would give everyone along the great lakes liver cancer by 2000. Again... just a bunch of chicken-littles justifying their grants.

No, no they aren't. But all nerdy guys in white jackets with microscopes are essentially the same, no?

To prove warming is incorrect is to prove a negative, and leaves you at a disadvantage.

Know what else leaves you at a disadvantage? Having only theoretical counterarguments against overwhelming mountains of empirical evidence.

The first thing, and possibly one of the biggest savings of "greenhouse gas emissions" is for all you people living in air conditioned houses, and working in air conditioned offices to get rid of the AC. Until you take that step, you are nothing more than another clueless hypocrite blabbering in the dark.

Actually, military and air trade alone cause something like 70% of greenhouse gas emissions, with industrial manufacturing accounting for another 20%. Personal emissions are really quite irrelevant. But yeah, you're right, not taking personal steps to help the solution makes you part of the problem and a hypocrite, and Al Gore is definitely chief among these riding his private jet around the world to fertilize his ego.

Personally, I don't give two shits about climate change, for a very simple reason. I don't care if human civilization goes under. All these hippie bastards screaming about global warming and pollution to "save the planet" are missing one very important truth: the planet doesn't need saving. Even if every country on earth simultaneously launched every nuke we have, the planet would eventually heal and ecosystems, over millions of years, would rejuvenate. What we're talking about is saving the planet for us.

That said, doubt is fine, but actively burying your head in the sand to avoid seeing unequivocal evidence for climate change because you're either scared to death of accepting that reality, or because you have personal issues with its proponents, is ridiculous and nothing more than taking blind pride in tremendous ignorance.

[judgeposer]

Building a model on such biased "science" is stupid from a statistical or scientific point of view, but more, it is completely unethical to call it a certainty.

Completely irrelevant; obviously it is completely unethical to call anything a certainty, therefore making explicit the implicit qualification is entirely unnecessary.

Off topic, I admit...But wouldn't your statement, on its own account, be unethical?

[gaia.plateau]

Building a model on such biased "science" is stupid from a statistical or scientific point of view, but more, it is completely unethical to call it a certainty.

Completely irrelevant; obviously it is completely unethical to call anything a certainty, therefore making explicit the implicit qualification is entirely unnecessary.

Off topic, I admit...But wouldn't your statement, on its own account, be unethical?

Not that I care whatsoever about ethics (the use of the term was rhetorical), but no. There is one thing in life that is implicitly certain- the implausibility and indeed impossibility of certainty.

[dcrooksjr]

Environment minister Sammy Wilson: I still think man-made climate change is a con
Belfast Telegraph
December 31, 2008

Spending billions on trying to reduce carbon emissions is one giant con that is depriving third world countries of vital funds to tackle famine, HIV and other diseases, Sammy Wilson said.


The DUP minister has been heavily criticised by environmentalists for claiming that ongoing climatic shifts are down to nature and not mankind.

But while acknowledging his views on global warming may not be popular, the East Antrim MP said he was not prepared to be bullied by eco fundamentalists.

"I'll not be stopped saying what I believe needs to be said about climate change," he said

most of the people who shout about climate change have not read one article about it

"I think in 20 years' time we will look back at this whole climate change debate and ask ourselves how on earth were we ever conned into spending the billions of pounds which are going into this without any kind of rigorous examination of the background, the science, the implications of it all. Because there is now a degree of hysteria about it, fairly unformed hysteria I've got to say as well.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/env...n-14123972.html


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[dcrooksjr]

Global warming: Reasons why it might not actually exist
Daily Telegraph
December 31, 2008

Temperatures are falling, not rising

[b]The earth was hotter 1,000 years ago
Evidence from all over the world indicates that the earth was hotter 1,000 years ago than it is today. Research shows that temperatures were higher in what is known as the Mediaeval Warming period than they were in the 1990s.



[b]The earth’s surface temperature is not at record levels
Ice is not disappearing


Arctic website Crysophere Today reported that Arctic ice volume was 500,000 sq km greater than this time last year. Additionally, Antarctic sea-ice this year reached its highest level since satellite records began in 1979. Polar bear numbers are also at record levels.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environme...ally-exist.html


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[dcrooksjr]

just found a really good site presenting the other side of the global warming issue.

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php

[TheScotsman]

Global-hoaxing...
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/la...ea_ice_extent2/
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results.html?artId=22375

The damn ice isn't shrinking... no scuba in NY for me I was starting to look forward to it. After all, if NY flooded, it could be filed under "did society a favour"

1934 was the warmest year on record, 1998 second, and 1921 third. For that matter,the hottest decade on record was the 1930's. Ya, ya, we all heard how we are in the hottest decade ever, but that is completely BS. The measurement standard was changed, and no one ever corrected the new readings to the old standard. (And you think these people would be good at healthcare? they can't even read a thermometer?)

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?1...ed-ef9f13e5c2c1 (not exactly the conservative media)

NASA claims to be able to measure ice temp, but forgot to calculate orbital decay into their formula... once that was done their measurements were dubious at best, useless at worst. Yet the warmies preach them like a bible-belt-evangelist at easter mass.

And if you are ready to read some truth, and be done with the warmies BS lies, http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html