modisess Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Ok, so i went to check out a new hookah bar that opened near me. And I was surprised to see about 20 hookahs that looked awfully like the KM Amer! So I went to talking with the owner and he had agreed to sell one of the pipes for about 30$.. I'm not sure, just a rough conversion. They look like a KM, the Amer to be ecxact.. And as far as I know, it's pretty rare to get it from online vendors now. But I'm still not sure, I havent gotten a picture of the real Amer to compare it with, I can't find any.Here are pics.I think the hookahs needs some TLC.. I see that they just leave the water in the bases overnight and don't bother washing the stem. The hoses were rusty as well! First hit I took and I just got sand like rust particles in my mouth.. disgusting. But I just went ahead and looked like i liked the hookah so i can persuade the guy to sell one of his hookahs to me. I have vague memories about the amer stem, so im not really sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 egyptian most likely, not a km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothookahs.com Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi Modisess,I agree with Scoop. It is definitely Egyptian, but not a Khalil Maamoon (KM) Hookah.ChuckgH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian_villager Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 From the style of the hose port I want to say MZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 doubt its even an mz, the tray doesn't snap in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modisess Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 hmmm, i might have to go there and check it out again. i didn't get a good look at the ash tray or the base for the ash tray. even if it's not a km i might still get it if it's solidly built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamin Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Why do you care what it is? All that matters is that it works well. Km's are overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo_Master Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 QUOTE (Yamin @ Dec 17 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why do you care what it is? All that matters is that it works well. Km's are overrated.No not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppyrkr Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 QUOTE (Yamin @ Dec 17 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why do you care what it is? All that matters is that it works well. Km's are overrated.aww come on now why all the hate? theres a difference if you like it or not, i'd invest 30 bucks in a nice new hookah, i doubt they take much care of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 KM's are labeled in different ways, but the one thing they ALWAYS have is somewhere, usually on the ash tray holder is a stylized lotus. If that's not there, then no way is it a KM. The stem does look kind of familiar though but as said above it's unlikely to be even an MZ because the tray doesn't snap into place without the tray holder/ledge. I have 3 MZ's and none of them have tray holders. I agree it's probably a no name egyptian. Whether or not it's worth $30 really has to be up to you. I'd go for it if I found it to be a brass pipe, but other than that, probably not.'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamin Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (Hippo_Master @ Dec 17 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Yamin @ Dec 17 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why do you care what it is? All that matters is that it works well. Km's are overrated.No not really.Yes Km's are very overrated. You can get a no name hookah for half the price and have it work just as well. Now if you're into the design then that's a different case. I'm not saying Km's are bad in any way, it's just like a fat kid beating a cripple in a race. The fat kid isn't the best but he seems to be on top lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo_Master Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Yamin @ Dec 17 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Hippo_Master @ Dec 17 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Yamin @ Dec 17 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why do you care what it is? All that matters is that it works well. Km's are overrated.No not really.Yes Km's are very overrated. You can get a no name hookah for half the price and have it work just as well. Now if you're into the design then that's a different case. I'm not saying Km's are bad in any way, it's just like a fat kid beating a cripple in a race. The fat kid isn't the best but he seems to be on top lolI have yet to see anything come out of Egypt that is available in the states that rivals KM's quality, even on their standard rigs. If you are into collecting, they are worth more fr collection reasons, being a brand name, some being stamped, etc. If you are just a normal smoker then a KM is better then a generic rig because of obvious quality (thickness, strong welds, good ones have brass hearts and cores, all the tubes are extra wide and easy to clean, they don't rust with normal or even heavy use). Aesthetically you won't find a better Egyptian rig on the market at this time. Now, I can get a good smoke out of basically anything, that's not the point. Just because something gives a great smoke doesn't mean it's a great pipe. There's only so many parts used to smoke out of in the pipe itself, not much room for error. A great smoke is mostly classified by how the smoker prepares the tobacco, foil, bowl, coals, heat management ability of the smoker, hose style, grommet integrity, weather etc. Grading a pipe based on how it smokes is one thing, but grading it based on it's build quality, collector value, aesthetic appeal, and market availability is another. So therefore, KM's are not over-rated. Edited December 18, 2008 by Hippo_Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo_Master Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Dec 17 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>KM's are labeled in different ways, but the one thing they ALWAYS have is somewhere, usually on the ash tray holder is a stylized lotus. If that's not there, then no way is it a KM. The stem does look kind of familiar though but as said above it's unlikely to be even an MZ because the tray doesn't snap into place without the tray holder/ledge. I have 3 MZ's and none of them have tray holders. I agree it's probably a no name egyptian. Whether or not it's worth $30 really has to be up to you. I'd go for it if I found it to be a brass pipe, but other than that, probably not.'Ranigenerally these smaller generic egyptians go for 20-25 bucks. So you would not be getting ripped off, I would just try to get it 10 bucks lower. If it smokes it's worth 20 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antouwan Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (Hippo_Master @ Dec 17 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Dec 17 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>KM's are labeled in different ways, but the one thing they ALWAYS have is somewhere, usually on the ash tray holder is a stylized lotus. If that's not there, then no way is it a KM. The stem does look kind of familiar though but as said above it's unlikely to be even an MZ because the tray doesn't snap into place without the tray holder/ledge. I have 3 MZ's and none of them have tray holders. I agree it's probably a no name egyptian. Whether or not it's worth $30 really has to be up to you. I'd go for it if I found it to be a brass pipe, but other than that, probably not.'Ranigenerally these smaller generic egyptians go for 20-25 bucks. So you would not be getting ripped off, I would just try to get it 10 bucks lower. If it smokes it's worth 20 bucks.i would say you are getting ripped off. for 30 bucks, you could get a new pipe like that. for 40 bucks here (where because of the arguileh's popularity the mark-up is crazy) i got a 32 inch no name egyptian that is constructed quite well and smokes phenomanally, brand new. if he's selling the pipes used, he's already probably made all of his money back for the cost of buying the pipe, not to mention it probably has extensive staining on the stem and downstem, possibly minor dings here and there from being heavily used due to being used in a cafe. i picked up a used KM precision for $75 locally, and after replacing the tray (the one they gave me was all bent to hell) and getting a new hose (they gave me a shitty mya hose that tasted/smelled like it had been used as a urinary catheter...) i really didn't save all that much money, in fact buying a new one would have been a better deal...i'm still quite content with it...not to mention i had to clean the thing out like a mother...i don't think the people at the cafe EVER cleaned them...EVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog_916 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Just buy the pipe at a price you think is fair, clean it up and smoke out of it. It doesnt have to be a KM to be worth what you want it to be worth. If the pipe is heavy then it's likely brass and pretty valuable. Pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleemkahn Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I have a KM Amer, and thats not one. Looks kinda like the KM Kepri but not 100% sure. May just be a standard eygptian. Check the tray if it says Khalil Mamoon and the tray holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modisess Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 ok i went back and checked out the hookah thoroughly. bleh, it looked good on the outside but it was rusting on the inside. i said i'll think about it, but well i'm never going back there again. rusted hoses, dirty hookahs.. this is why i bought my own hookah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabin Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 good choice. Fuck rust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Wing Gunner Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 almost identical to my egyptian, only mine is a bit taller, and has a different base. But the stem's styling and the hose port and purge valve look dead on mine, only mine has a like wear spot on the hose adapter... Its getting to be old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickReppinThe909 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 generic egyptian we used to use them at the lounge but they rusted out in no time so we now have MZ's instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamin Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I completely agree that for the market of egyptians today, the km may be good. But this is solely in the United States. In comparison across the globe and factoring in all hookahs from different countries that never even make it here, Km's are far overrated. But I guess my argument is invalid and pointless seeing as none of you will ever see anything else..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Its a junky Egyptian, probably wholesales right around $15, complete with head, jar, hose, tray, tongs, etc. Might be an Al Ashrii...I think that all the hookahs on the market suck for one reason or another. Some have some good points, some have other good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensae Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Dec 17 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>KM's are labeled in different ways, but the one thing they ALWAYS have is somewhere, usually on the ash tray holder is a stylized lotus. If that's not there, then no way is it a KM. The stem does look kind of familiar though but as said above it's unlikely to be even an MZ because the tray doesn't snap into place without the tray holder/ledge. I have 3 MZ's and none of them have tray holders. I agree it's probably a no name egyptian. Whether or not it's worth $30 really has to be up to you. I'd go for it if I found it to be a brass pipe, but other than that, probably not.'RaniIt's not 100%. I have a KM Tri Metal, base says "Khalil Mamoon" on it, the stem and everything is definitely a KM, but Hookah Company must have thrown a different ash tray on there, with no markings at all. No lotus in sight anywhere on my pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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