Mike22283 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Hey guys, I'm brand new to the forum but i've been looking around here for a couple days now. I love it, finally a quality place to talk hookah's! I was first introduced 3 years ago when i took a trip to Pakistan. I'm actually here in Paki again now, getting back into it. Anyways, just wondering if anyone (more specifically,but not limited to, Canadians like myself) has dealt with [url="http://www.arguily.com"]www.arguily.com[/url] . I'm loving their prices and highly thinking about ordering from them when I get back in April. Any reviews or words of wisdom would be much appreciated. Also, just to rub it in, it's about 2 dollars to go to a nice hookah lounge here and smoke, haha! Wish you guys could be here! 1 dollar per pack of Al Fakher, good stuff! Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Welcome to the forum! So you think you can make us all green with envy and then expect us to HELP you? Anyway..you're right, you can, I've neevr seen that site before, but it looks like a great site for you Canadians. I noticed no Ma'asell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I've ordered from them, being Canadian and in need of some quick products.They're good. They're prices aren't great, nor close to decent, but once you think about the duties and taxes you have to pay, it adds up. The owner's a good guy and he tries to help out as much as he can by throwing in some plastic tips and filters, sometimes a couple rolls of starlight quicklights .They don't have ma'assel and they never will, the reason has been discussed often here. It's just not pratical for a Canadian retailer to do so. The hookah lounge I go to is soon going to offer Fumari here in Montreal and be one of the main distributors in Canada. The problem is the price, though. He will be forced to charge close to 75$CND for 250 grams (65US) to make a couple bucks. He was explaining how he's forced to pay about 35$CND a box just for taxes and we all know how expensive Fumari is. Anyways, I may buy some tobacco off him if I ever get a craving for Fumari but for 110 CND I get 7 boxes of Al Amir .Good luck and keep us posted on your experience with arguily.comJon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsboy Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Their prices are not too expensive. They are Ok. But as mentioned before No Mi3assil. It cost me around $18-20 for every 250g of Al-Fakher. Thats if it escapes customs. If not then I have to pay like $30-40 canadian for it. I wish there is a good place for premium mi3assil here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlakos_politakos Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 looks kool.too bad theres no mossel.why exactly do they have such high taxes on moassel in canada?or is everything taxed so heavily?i should know because i lived in nova scotia and montreal for a few years,but i was vey young(4-6 yeas old) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsboy Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 They have high taxes on tobacco ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 At a guess...and this is merely a guess, I'd say to cover the high cost of health care those who smoke are going to eventually require. OR to make smoking extra expensive for the person smoking, in hopes that they won't figure its worth it. OR in retaliation for some high tarrif on something Canadian made when its imported into other countries that expost tobacco. OR none of the above.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlakos_politakos Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 who knows.....maybe well never know the secret of canadas tobacco taxes....what a same...could a nice canadian enlighten us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBlack Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Sure, Mushrat is right on number one. Our taxes cover health care, and we're all becoming anti-tobbaco nazis. Number two may be right, but it's not the main goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlakos_politakos Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 why the anti-tobacconism?you gotta love tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 My opinion is just the way they calculate the tobacco. Technically, there's not 250grams of tobacco in the ma'assel, but they don't care. Ma'assel gets taxed on weight, pretty much what you would get taxed if you were to have cigars shipped over, for example.In a sense, it's meant to keep people from smoking, in my opinion though, it's just to make as much money, or more, as they do on cigarettes with these heavy taxes, since it's the only way to control the smoking habbit (they don't make anything other then taxes off the ma'assel.)It's late and I could be talking out of my ass, but some of it seems right.Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Yes, but if Canadian excise taxes are similar to US laws, we are taxed on the weight of the product, not the tobacco. In a simliar sense, cigarettes and cigars are taxed based on their size, whihc is usually a good indicator of how much tobacco they have in them. I staged an unsucessful appeal with the US TTB Legal Department in this matter regarding hookah tobacco. My point being that the tobacco makes up 20-30% of the actual weight of the product, and glycerine and other non-taxable products makes up the balance, that a lower tax classification should be assessed, not the one for pipe tobacco which is 80-90% tobacco, by weight. The government shafted me for 18 months for having the audacity for questioning their supreme bureaucratic decision. Almost bankrupted me. But I prevailed. Sort of. I pay the pipe tobacco tax, like every other honest company. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike22283 Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 Hahaha, wow, you guys really got off on another topic there! I'm amazed at how fast i get replies here, awesome! Thanks guys. Yeah canadian taxes suck, even our booze is taxed to high heaven (more so out west in Van where I am). So, thanks for the input, think their prices are just ok? I thought they were pretty good considering they're in Canadian dollars and I don't have to worry about crazy shipping fees. If I do grab one, it'll most likely be [url="http://www.arguily.com/dispProduct.asp?prd_id=10"]http://www.arguily.com/dispProduct.asp?prd_id=10[/url] . With that I can have the hookah and shipping covered for 160 bucks canadian, that sounds like a good deal to me. Check it out, lemme know, really appreciate your help guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBlack Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 wow that hooka is stylish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeshabum Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I know Fadi from Arguily com. by way of letters ack and forth. He's a nice guy and gives good service. He makes a tent often at local fairs in and around Ottoea ,Canada seling one one one to intrested people. He has a blog listed under the name Abu Dani.here is the link [url="http://arguily.blogspot.com/"]http://arguily.blogspot.com/ [url="http://www.arguily.com/"]http://www.arguily.com/[/url][/url] &...sp; sheeshabum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmexx Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Tang, it's exactly how it works. I speak a lot with the owner from my local hookah lounge and he pays 35 dollars of taxes per 250grams of tobacco, crazy eh? He ends up paying about 11 bucks for 250 grams of fumari, the tax is just about triple the amount of the ma'assel itself.Actually, the hookah lounge is planning on being an exclusive reseller of fumari to Canada. The downside is, he'll be forced to charge close 75$ for 250 grams, which is close to insanity. It makes sense when you think of all the taxes and sh*t he'll have to pay, but it's still insanity. It'd be cool, though, to see a reseller in Canada. I told him to consider selling 50gram packages for those who want to try some exotic flavours everyonce in awhile.I think that this place is the ONLY place who buys/gets their tobacco legally, since the taxes are so expensive. The places that sell the ma'assel legally are SOME large Arabic grocers. They charge about 15$CND for 50 grams, which the hookah lounge would end up charging for that amount. Difference is, one's Nahkla and the other is fumari.This post is long enough, gah. PM me for any particular questions concerning this horrid matter.Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 ^^^^ Holy christ jmexx... I really do feel bad for you chaps to the north.. If you ever get tired of living in the world of crazy tobacco taxes, I'm sure we can sqeeze you somewhere in the States. There should be room somewhere or another.. If not, you can sleep on my couch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 [quote name='jmexx']Tang, it's exactly how it works. I speak a lot with the owner from my local hookah lounge and he pays 35 dollars of taxes per 250grams of tobacco, crazy eh? He ends up paying about 11 bucks for 250 grams of fumari, the tax is just about triple the amount of the ma'assel itself. Actually, the hookah lounge is planning on being an exclusive reseller of fumari to Canada. The downside is, he'll be forced to charge close 75$ for 250 grams, which is close to insanity. It makes sense when you think of all the taxes and sh*t he'll have to pay, but it's still insanity. It'd be cool, though, to see a reseller in Canada. I told him to consider selling 50gram packages for those who want to try some exotic flavours everyonce in awhile. I think that this place is the ONLY place who buys/gets their tobacco legally, since the taxes are so expensive. The places that sell the ma'assel legally are SOME large Arabic grocers. They charge about 15$CND for 50 grams, which the hookah lounge would end up charging for that amount. Difference is, one's Nahkla and the other is fumari. This post is long enough, gah. PM me for any particular questions concerning this horrid matter. Jon[/quote]$75 for 250g? I know I'll let the emoticons express my feelings:Trying to sell it in the first place:Excessive Excise taxesHigh excise taxes always contribute to a reduction in quality of goods consumed. If there is a low elasticity of demand, that is. Excise taxes are regressive, too. We can allow lotteries and gambling (why not just send social security checks directly to the casinos???) why do we permit excessive excise taxes? The basis for the whiskey rebellion in the 1700s was simple: If I take corn and grind into meal, nothing happens, if I ferment the mash, I'm taxed? Why? Excise taxes are leftover morality that government has found convenient to tax the citizens without fear of controversy. Of course the smokers don't want their taxes increased...but if its them or me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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