Rayneuki Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 So I got my new Nerfetitti New Style (36" of beauty). I'm having some problems... I'm not getting very good smoke.Now, it might have been me, trying to smoke it on the New Year... but it seems to have a bit of an air-leak problem. I've put a small bit of tape around where the grommet to the stem fits in the base, but it actually doesn't fit correctly.It LOOKS like it's either too big (there's a large ring-peice where the stem has a gap between the base) or the rest of the grommet is too small... I'm thinking it's a bit too big, so should I sand it down? Then use electrical tape? I know that it has to be there, because when I put the tape over it, it smoked a bit better... I think most of my problems ACTUALLY stem from the fact that I'm dealing with some crap-tastic coals...So, any reccomendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvtaco17 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 every MZ i have ever gotten has had a grommet that is almost too big... did you try wetting it and working it into the vase... it will super seal like this and you'll have fun getting it off, try this first if that fixes it sand away a little bit of the grommet till it fits properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 fine grit sandpaper and just take a bit off at a time and wipe it off with a wet papertowel and try it in the base. keep going little by little till it fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 i had to do this for my new bohemian vase, it is a pain but once you are done you will be happy, and yes Stuie has got it right use fine grit something like 200 or so it will take longer but will have a more even finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Holy crap guys, fast replies!Thanks. I'll start to work on it :] just gotta get some sand paper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Ok, found another problem. The purge valve, it was screwed on wrong... so it leaks (I'm thinking that is the main problem...) I can't get it off, it's not on the strips right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 so are the threads stripped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 You may have to take the dive and just screw it off. I had a similar problem and forced it off. Now it works very well.You must be careful though cause brass is rather soft and you can quite easily strip the screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (mattarios2 @ Jan 2 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so are the threads stripped?Nah, they were cross-threaded. I fixed it with a little screw driver to try and make it jump the thread. It worked. :] Now I just gotta clean it (needed to do that anyhow) and check out the seal.Thanks for your help guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechAnt Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (Rayneuki @ Jan 2 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (mattarios2 @ Jan 2 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so are the threads stripped?Nah, they were cross-threaded. I fixed it with a little screw driver to try and make it jump the thread. It worked. :] Now I just gotta clean it (needed to do that anyhow) and check out the seal.Thanks for your help guys!Yay!Picture time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 woo whooo!NiceHopefully your sessions are more enjoyable now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 The grommet is still too big, but it's not in the fact that it has no grommet to seal with. What's weird is that it looks like they extended the grommet to have part of it be a sort-of 'washer' against the base... It's like some of it goes down INTO the vase and the rest hangs out over it. It's like ALLOT bigger than the opening of the vase... It seals but at the same time I'm kinna scared that it's not really sealing all the way (which it's not, I still get a TINSY TINY bit of air). I'm kinna scared to sand it down, but at the same time... I dunno, I'm gonna smoke some AF DA out of it after it dries (cleaned it) to see if it was just the purge valve... If not I'll be sanding away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinMoose Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The fastest way to sand down the grommet is to put it on a small paint roller and use a mouse sander. Thats what I did to get my KM to fit flush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 I might try that. I'm not sure...and I meant Nakhal DA not AF.So I should sand down this HUGE bit that won't fit in the thing? So that it'll fit flush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 When you go to put the stem into the vase, is the grommet on the stem or in the vase? Most likely you have it on the stem. Try wetting he grommet and putting it in the base laying flat against the glass, then try to spin the stem (clockwise if your a rightie) down. I hope this helps, I have a few that have to be done backwards like this in order to get a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 QUOTE (Tom16689 @ Jan 2 2009, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When you go to put the stem into the vase, is the grommet on the stem or in the vase? Most likely you have it on the stem. Try wetting he grommet and putting it in the base laying flat against the glass, then try to spin the stem (clockwise if your a rightie) down. I hope this helps, I have a few that have to be done backwards like this in order to get a good fit.It's on the stem. Part of it mostly seals with the rest of the hookah, the other part (that sticks out) is nearly an inch too big to fit into the base. Because it's so big, it makes me feel like it's supposed to be there, but at the same time because it's so big... Well I don't get a perfect seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 just sand the motha down, and it will fit very nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToncSTAR Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 thats how my km used to be. after awhile itll go in smooth. i sanded my grommet a little bit, but i got scared so i just used water. or olive oil. or dish soap lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 mmm olive oil, your hookah must be so healthy! It's gonna live forever! Forever Young! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brain Damage Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 QUOTE (Rayneuki @ Jan 2 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's on the stem. Part of it mostly seals with the rest of the hookah, the other part (that sticks out) is nearly an inch too big to fit into the base. Because it's so big, it makes me feel like it's supposed to be there, but at the same time because it's so big... Well I don't get a perfect seal.Like this? Ya, It's supposed to be like that. My MZ is the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modisess Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 instead of trying to wet the grommet, i find it much more easier when you already have water in the base, to just turn the base upside down while closing the opening of the base. this gets the inside of the opening of the base to get wet all around, the grommet usually slides right in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 One problem I had with my 36" MZ (Nefertiti was the seal it had seamed...It just completely hated the traditional bowl. Still is finicky with the traditional and ONLY works properly with a tangiers phunnel.As for the grommet...each MZ takes it differently. My MZ has a slight lean to it, but I've been using the overweighted, oversized KM hose, when I use the MZ hose, it doesnt lean much, if at all...I take it off, moisten it, re-apply, and work it like testing a new door-knob to get it a good seal.My purge clogs from residue on ball once in a while, thats about it there....these are the only flaws I have found on mine thus far.Hope you have better luck on yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 QUOTE (Brain Damage @ Jan 2 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Rayneuki @ Jan 2 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's on the stem. Part of it mostly seals with the rest of the hookah, the other part (that sticks out) is nearly an inch too big to fit into the base. Because it's so big, it makes me feel like it's supposed to be there, but at the same time because it's so big... Well I don't get a perfect seal.Like this? Ya, It's supposed to be like that. My MZ is the same wayIt's just like that. But how do you get a proper seal? It seems this big thing that splits between the vase and stem keeps it from fitting flush, and doesn't create a seal. Is that top bit supposed to be IN the base? If so, mine's waaaay too bit. So confused @_@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayneuki Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 QUOTE (r1v3th3ad @ Jan 3 2009, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One problem I had with my 36" MZ (Nefertiti was the seal it had seamed...It just completely hated the traditional bowl. Still is finicky with the traditional and ONLY works properly with a tangiers phunnel.As for the grommet...each MZ takes it differently. My MZ has a slight lean to it, but I've been using the overweighted, oversized KM hose, when I use the MZ hose, it doesnt lean much, if at all...I take it off, moisten it, re-apply, and work it like testing a new door-knob to get it a good seal.My purge clogs from residue on ball once in a while, thats about it there....these are the only flaws I have found on mine thus far.Hope you have better luck on yoursNo lean thus-far, and the traditional bowl fits fine... As does my Phunnel. The purge was cross-threaded but I fixed it (with a screwdriver ). No other problems than the base/grommet thing... I mean, if it's supposed to have this TINY air leak, I'm fine with it, I'm just scared that it's sacrificing smoke quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Rayneuki @ Jan 3 2009, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (r1v3th3ad @ Jan 3 2009, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One problem I had with my 36" MZ (Nefertiti was the seal it had seamed...It just completely hated the traditional bowl. Still is finicky with the traditional and ONLY works properly with a tangiers phunnel.As for the grommet...each MZ takes it differently. My MZ has a slight lean to it, but I've been using the overweighted, oversized KM hose, when I use the MZ hose, it doesnt lean much, if at all...I take it off, moisten it, re-apply, and work it like testing a new door-knob to get it a good seal.My purge clogs from residue on ball once in a while, thats about it there....these are the only flaws I have found on mine thus far.Hope you have better luck on yoursNo lean thus-far, and the traditional bowl fits fine... As does my Phunnel. The purge was cross-threaded but I fixed it (with a screwdriver ). No other problems than the base/grommet thing... I mean, if it's supposed to have this TINY air leak, I'm fine with it, I'm just scared that it's sacrificing smoke quality. It shouldn't leak at all, none of my MZ's have, but they have all had that same type of massive grommet for the stem to the base. I would say try taking off the grommet and doing a few wraps of electrical tape underneath it to make the fit a bit snugger. It will hopefully fix the airleak your having. I will also say that 4 of the 6 MZ's i've had have leaned, some like the freakin leaning tower, just have to be a tad bit more careful with them if they do have the mz lean thing goin on. Edited January 3, 2009 by Victim026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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