More Of That Good 'ol Change

[TheScotsman]

In a time when allot of young parents may be counting pennies, and trying to make the most of their budget your democrat controlled govie has decided to make, well, change...

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-thri...0,2083247.story

Now isn't that going to make you feel so much safer?

More change is coming, be afraid... very afraid.

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they also want to have an almost 1 trillion $ stimulus package. HOPE CHANGE YES WE CAN

[zeppyrkr]

omg everyone the worlds going to fall apart, ahh the poor stores, although i agree with it, the stores will put the hurt on us, theres no winning the corps will always WIN. expect prices increases for stuff for kids under 12, yay! u can put the blame all on the democrats all you want but trust me they are not your enemies in this situation.

[zeppyrkr]

but seriously u dont see any positives with testing our products? do u have kids, how awesome of a parent would u feel when they get lead poisoning because u wanted to save a buck?

[cotsi95]

I agree with it but it will hurt 2nd hand stores and vintage stores since those clothes most likely wont be tested. But it also said in the article that that was passed last year so it isnt a law that was pushed by obama.

[gaia.plateau]

Seriously, kids are too wimpy nowadays, maybe a little lead poisoning would toughen those little pansies up. Also, with the US education system, the brain damage won't really make that much of a difference. I mean, we're talking about MY PENNIES here.

Also fuck that Obama guy, trying to teach SEX to 5 year olds in KINDERGARTEN*.

*Notable omission of the fact that the sex education bill in question was to protect them against predators.

[TheScotsman]

The rest of that bill makes it illegal to sell anything at the school craft show, flea markets, circus, yard sale, for that matter, granny can't legally make a quilt and give it to a grand child without violation federal law.

change, change, yes we can.

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zeppyrkr why doesnt the government just raise the our kids for us so that parents take 0 responsibility for any mistakes along the way

[Bulldog_916]

Oi. Come on. How many kids really get lead poisoning every year. On the scale of dangers faced by children, a burger and fries ranks higher in the deadly category than the clothes they wear. I've never heard of anyone getting sick by lead- containing clothing. Fucking nanny state for the loss.

[zeppyrkr]

zeppyrkr why doesnt the government just raise the our kids for us so that parents take 0 responsibility for any mistakes along the way

ohh so you know what items have lead in them rightttt. maybe if america actually produced a product or two instead of relying on third world countries child labor and poor standards ...

[SuburbanSmoker]

I agree with BD ive never heard of anyone ever getting lead poisoning from wearing clothes.

America doesnt produce alot of those items because the price would be too high. as long as their are substitutes for goods that cost less money with a similar/superior quality we will import goods. just how its always gonna be.

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zeppyrkr why doesnt the government just raise the our kids for us so that parents take 0 responsibility for any mistakes along the way

ohh so you know what items have lead in them rightttt. maybe if america actually produced a product or two instead of relying on third world countries child labor and poor standards ...

this has nothing to do with knowing whats in them or not. i do think that you should have to tell what you use in stuff. for example my school STILL has asbestos tiles. the school is worth billions of dollars but we still have them. ZOMFG EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE. not really. the stuff is pretty safe if its not disturbed as in broken or crushed or sanded. secondly it has nothing to do about child labor. i support child labor 100%. it makes cheaper goods and gives kids jobs in broke ass countries. they aret getting jobs to buy ipods, starbucks and carbon offsets, they have jobs because their family is starving to death and they can make 5 more cents a day if thier kid works. this has EVERYTHING to do with the government trying to control every aspect of my life. if you want to smoke and potentially get cancer go ahead, you want to shoot up nht fine, you want to drive and suv and live in a mcmansion go ahead. i dont really care unless it doesnt tell you the concequence.

[zeppyrkr]

actually its toys that mainly had lead poisoning, cheap paints and such used in products because all us americans want is as much cheap shit as we can get. i think testing lead in kids toys is so far from controlling your life its not even funny! i know there are plenty of stupid laws and such out there but this thread was created for the sole purpose of blaming obama and democrats. i think there nothing wrong with this law and if i have to pay a extra buck for a kids toy then i will and ill get over it too.

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a better law would be to make them actually say that its in there. it would solve alot of problems

[zeppyrkr]

they dont put lead in there products knowing so, as far as i know, but its due to the cost benefits and buying cheaper materials to make the items (im sure they dont buy ULTRA LEAD PAINT but more so they buy the cheapest paint they can find from some small company that gives them little to no details on the product), the last thing a Chinese company trying to make money is going to do is pay to test there products for lead and they know we will all buy them either way with the prices they put on them ....

[TheScotsman]

they dont put lead in there products knowing so, as far as i know, but its due to the cost benefits and buying cheaper materials to make the items (im sure they dont buy ULTRA LEAD PAINT but more so they buy the cheapest paint they can find from some small company that gives them little to no details on the product), the last thing a Chinese company trying to make money is going to do is pay to test there products for lead and they know we will all buy them either way with the prices they put on them ....

Limiting it to lead really shows a lack of understanding of the whole problem of turd-world manufacture, and lack of QC on the part of customs officials.

Just last year:
310+ (don't remember exact) Panamanians died from Chinese poison cough syrup. (bet you never even heard about it in our fine news.) Researchers are putting the actual death total in the thousands worldwide from this event.
untold # of pets died from Diethelyne Glycol & polyester resins in pet food, from China.
Poison toothpaste bootlegged under a trusted tradename, by a Chinese supplier
Fish imported as one species were actually Puffer fish... from China
Wheat & Rice gluten containing melamine... from China.
carcinogenic dye in everything (S. Red) from cosmetics to food... yummy. From China.
Out of 650 fake/bootleg drugs caught by a European pharma commission, 570 originated in China.
Hell, the chinese even managed to poision well more than 10,000 of their own citizens with toxic substances in dairy, and infant formuls products.
How about the Aqua-dots that turned to GHB-emitters when swallowed? CHINA

Are we seeing a pattern?

GRanny isn't poisioning the brats, neither is the local arts & crafts fair... it's cheap-Chinese Junk! It's customs job to filter that out, and turn it around. But no, they would rather screw with me over a duty-fee on a case of damn bagpipe reeds



Of all of them, one that scares me most is the poison cough syrup, the toxic stuff originated with chinese glycerin, supposedly medical/food grade, that turned out to be full of Diethelyne Glycol. A bunch of the stuff was siezed by Dubai's "Drug Combat Unit" of the state police. Now, every time I taste a "funky" shisha... (aka the ketchup grape fiasco) there is this sneaking suspicion in the back of my mind. Hmmmm, is that ketchup, or anti-freeze? A good reason to stick to USA mfgrs! (besides, they have better stuff anyway, well, except starbarf)

And the thread eventualy comes back to hookahs. That's gotta be worth something!

[mustang_steve]

The toothpaste was actually from South Africa...just the media assumed it was China, and thus it became so in the public eye. The toothpaste was a counterfeiting issue though.

In the case of China...they just buy according to customer specs...they ask for red paint, they get red paint....now if they were to ask for Lead-free Red Paint, then they would look out for that.

This isn't a China thing, as it is a manufacruing process thing....approved vendor lists should be used by these companies....and I do NOT blame China, I blame the people who put their name on it for not using AVLs and other known qualiuty control measures.

I used to work in manufacturing, I know what they can and can't do....and these big corporations got sloppy.

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Now, every time I taste a "funky" shisha... (aka the ketchup grape fiasco) there is this sneaking suspicion in the back of my mind. Hmmmm, is that ketchup, or anti-freeze?

I hate to break it to you but anitfreeze is extremely sweet and they have to put bittering agents in there to stop kids and animals from drinking it. Last time i checked ketchup isnt sweet so youre attack on AF is totally null and void. How about attack the coloring they use in it or the bag because ZOMG IT COULD BE BAD FOR YOU. Its not like inhaling smoked is bad for you or anything.

[tinyj316]

I think the majority of this stuff boils down to the fact that corporations get away with murder when it comes to oversight. If they're able to turn any sort of profit, they will do so. Its called collateral damage. So 3,000 people die because of your product. You have over 30,000,000 customers. .1% isn't a bad margin. The people that die are the people who don't really mean anything (as far as the company is concerned) to their bottom line. Those people probably already had other medical conditions that could be as equally to blame as their "toxic" product. The amount that they would have to pay out in lawsuits is negligible compared to what they brought in. If enough stink is made about it, they can blame their supplier in China, who would face no repercussions, and then they go, spend a couple extra bucks on fixing the problem, charge the end user more money and wash, rinse, and repeat.

As long as there is money going into someone's coffers at the governmental level (normally in PAC monies), they really could care less. Its a win/win/death scenario. As long as people would rather pay less for a "comparable" product, they'll keep buying those products, regardless of what's in it.

And to reference a previous post... This isn't an Obama policy... this all happened under the Bush regime. I'm going to go ahead and think of this as another one of Bush's unfunded mandates that really won't get the proper attention that it needs. It all looks good on paper (save the kids from lead!), but Darwin is not pleased.

[Fluffy]

so obama just may be the antichrist.

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This isn't an Obama policy... this all happened under the Bush regime.

Ya but they are both democrats one just hasnt admitted it yet

[TheScotsman]

so obama just may be the antichrist.

Naw, this one is not on him. Although it was Dem sponsored, and Dem-force-fed on us

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-41

As is typical of his entire time in the senate PEBO yet again, didn't manage to show up and do his job, he was AWOL from the vote.

Man, that guy was a crappy investment for the voters, they paid him for representation, but he sure had trouble finding the front door. Hell, maybe he will do better now that he has all those clinton-rejects in his cabinet to motivate him!

[kikkoman1231]

This is easy to solve.

America has to make their own products. China typically doesn't do any testing on their products or have any regulations or sanctions to meet. If Americans made their own products, we wouldn't be in this mess! We have to meet FDA regulations, poisoning tests, and other general safety tests before we put something out on the market.

[mustang_steve]

This is easy to solve.

America has to make their own products. China typically doesn't do any testing on their products or have any regulations or sanctions to meet. If Americans made their own products, we wouldn't be in this mess! We have to meet FDA regulations, poisoning tests, and other general safety tests before we put something out on the market.

Even if it's made overseas and sold here, if it was made FOR an American Company, then it has to meet regulations as well.

I do agree we need more American Manufacturing though.....it's not what's in our minds, but the products of our hands that gives us a trading edge with other nations. What's in our minds is the butter to production's bread.

I think the biggest problem is people don't understand how contract manufacturing works...it's not difficult, but there's many ways to assure a product is precisely what you wanted it to be. These corporations need to start doing this, as it WILL ensure they get good product, or, if they are being ripped off, it will leave a papertrail that will prove that certain products were NOT made from approved materials and can be recalled before it even reaches port here in the US.