95EJvtec Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I think one of the main things of this thread is people are using the term overrated instead of the term high priced in most cases . I do agree SB is to expensive but some of the flavors are well worth it to me those are melon dew , white peach , and blueberry grape , non of the other brands have come close to these flavors for me . As far as over rated for flavor which is what this thread should really be about .. its got to be af for me they have some good ones but most are easily imitated. af golden esk apple is not one of those I love that flavor but other than that its over rated for the quality as of now a days at least, I agree they used to be great but they have gone down hill ALOT =/ and its pretty sad. This is only my opinion =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Seems to me everyone here is basing their decision on price... but the thread is asking which is the most overrated, not most overpriced If anything, this thread proves that Starbuzz is the least overrated shisha among the people who responded to this thread. Also, sticking to my own belief that each person has different tastes and there is no one ultimate flavor or brand that will soothe everyone, this thread proves that Tangiers is the most overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebarnes02 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 QUOTE (jfaltous @ Feb 3 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seems to me everyone here is basing their decision on price... but the thread is asking which is the most overrated, not most overpriced If anything, this thread proves that Starbuzz is the least overrated shisha among the people who responded to this thread. Also, sticking to my own belief that each person has different tastes and there is no one ultimate flavor or brand that will soothe everyone, this thread proves that Tangiers is the most overrated.Well i rate my opinion on shisha on a scale of quality of flavor, quality of smoke, as well as price. So i i think using price in determining which brands are over rated is fair. When you are paying a higher price you are expecting a higher quality. So when someone is let down by say starbuzz or fantasia, then it is fair to say they are overrated. Because in that person's opinion the price they paid is too much for the quality of smoke that they get. All in all, it really is based solely on opinion and for the most part everyone's opinion is going to differ. I personally, really really enjoy tangiers based on the quality of smoke i get from it and the very mid-level price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalowlow Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 QUOTE (jfaltous @ Feb 3 2009, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seems to me everyone here is basing their decision on price... but the thread is asking which is the most overrated, not most overpriced If anything, this thread proves that Starbuzz is the least overrated shisha among the people who responded to this thread. Also, sticking to my own belief that each person has different tastes and there is no one ultimate flavor or brand that will soothe everyone, this thread proves that Tangiers is the most overrated.I guess that's right in the sense that starbuzz isn't overrated by anybody except the guys at starbuzz that set the prices....no one here is getting fooled into thinking that it's better than it is.I find that all shisha is overrated.....I never actually enjoy any flavor as much as I think I should....it's just something that me and my friends do while playing dominoes! Now Dominoes....that's not overated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 ebarnes, you're saying its overrated again based on what you're getting for your money, therefore you're basing it on price. I'm saying as a base rating, we're looking not at a price point, but at perception by the public. If the public (aka the people posting here) consider Starbuzz to not be worth the money that you have to pay for it, then they're giving it a low rating... therefore how can you say its overrated? If anything, this low rating displayed in the posts of this thread.On the other hand, the Tangiers Fanboi group that is always prevalent in this forum are always claiming Tangiers to be the be-all-end-all of shisha, regardless of cost (despite the fact that it is one of the more expensive brands out there). Therefore, if the general perception of it is that it's so great, yet many people will in fact disagree that it is in fact the best for their varying reasons, then it is the one that is overrated.See where I'm going with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 JF, this is based off of peoples opinions of what is and is not overrated. each person is giving their own input based off of what they believe. not what other people on HF believe.you believe tangiers is overrated. i disagree with that because tangiers has pretty much given me great smokes. i believe starbuzz is overrated because it gives me a headache and costs $20 dollars for 250 grams. plus in tampa florida everyone seems to have an orgasm when you mention starbuzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebarnes02 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 QUOTE (jfaltous @ Feb 3 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ebarnes, you're saying its overrated again based on what you're getting for your money, therefore you're basing it on price. I'm saying as a base rating, we're looking not at a price point, but at perception by the public. If the public (aka the people posting here) consider Starbuzz to not be worth the money that you have to pay for it, then they're giving it a low rating... therefore how can you say its overrated? If anything, this low rating displayed in the posts of this thread.On the other hand, the Tangiers Fanboi group that is always prevalent in this forum are always claiming Tangiers to be the be-all-end-all of shisha, regardless of cost (despite the fact that it is one of the more expensive brands out there). Therefore, if the general perception of it is that it's so great, yet many people will in fact disagree that it is in fact the best for their varying reasons, then it is the one that is overrated.See where I'm going with this? I am not solely basing my opinion on cost. However, cost HAS to be a factor in my opinion because no tobacco is free. Therefore, in determining how i feel about certain types of shisha, i will consider the cost. The other point i was trying to make, is that when you are paying a higher cost you are expecting a higher grade product. This is why people here are claiming Starbuzz to be over rated, as well as Fantasia and Fumari. My three variables are: Quality of Smoke, Quality of Flavor, and Price. The only time i will be happy paying a higher price is if the quality of smoke and quality of flavor are equally high. I personally don't find that with starbuzz (not saying there aren't any good starbuzz flavors, i'm speaking in general terms). Now, in comparing to Tangiers, i think the price is in the middle range, however i get a high quality smoke and flavor. Therefore, it is not over rated in my opinion. Starbuzz has a higher price tag therefore higher expectations when i purchase said product, if it does not meet my expectation i then consider it over rated. Once again, just my opinion and how i feel about things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Hooooray that Fusion isn't being mentioned, but then again you can get fusion for 13 bucks a tub, so it really isn't "expensive"I only find starbuzz to be over rated because IMHO you can get a better and more flavorful smoke from cheaper shisha, like stated previously the more money the better the quality should be (Nakhla is an exception), I don't find that with starbuzz the extra money makes my session better, once again this is personal preference. So of course to some it will be over rated and to others it won't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I don't know why I'm even bothering continuing this because the point is really moot, and it all comes down to how people want to perceive this conversation... but again I'll try to explain where I'm going with this. Notice the difference:Overrated - rated excessively highlyOverpriced - priced excessively highQUOTE (ebarnes02 @ Feb 3 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My three variables are: Quality of Smoke, Quality of Flavor, and Price.Now lets say, based on these variables, including price, the consensus of the people in this thread is that Starbuzz deserves a 2 out of 10.Again, based on these variables, a consensus is reached by those same people that Tangiers deserves an 9 out of 10.These are how the shisha have been rated.For someone to come and tell you that you're overrating Starbuzz is to say that they think that it deserves lower than a 2 out of 10. For them to say that you're overrating Tangiers is to say that it deserves less than 9 out of 10.Now from my perspective, people judge Starbuzz too harshly based on its price (among other things in some cases), and I may say it deserves more than a 2 out of 10, therefore I consider it underrated. At the same time, while I appreciate Tangiers, I may believe it deserves a bit less than a 9 out of 10, therefore I consider it to be overrated.I know, you're probably sitting there thinking about stabbing me in the face for arguing a seemingly silly point But my argument still stands, Starbuzz is not nearly as overrated as I believe Tangiers to be (at least on this forum). Now if you want to talk about overpriced, that's a completely different competition, and I will not argue with you that Starbuzz is definitely going to win that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalowlow Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 QUOTE (jfaltous @ Feb 3 2009, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But my argument still stands, Starbuzz is not nearly as overrated as I believe Tangiers to be (at least on this forum). Now if you want to talk about overpriced, that's a completely different competition, and I will not argue with you that Starbuzz is definitely going to win that one.Jfaltous....perhaps you should re-read the forum rules, you can't say anything bad about tangiers because it's your fault. I think i'm gonna have to ban you....What? A rule against saying something negative about tangiers is not actually one of the rules?Huh? I'm not a mod anyway so I can't ban anyone? Oh. Well then.....carry on. (the preceeding was a joke that may not have been that funny but is not in any way intended to be a comentary on anyone or anything, just trying to be funny!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Haha, I actually like Tangiers, I've got 4-5 kilos of it kicking around right now, but personally I prefer Starbuzz. The price on SB doesn't really bug me much, because I still consider it a good deal price-wise. Buying locally the best deal you can get is $35 for 50g of AF, and even buying online the shipping costs to Canada are killer, and since the price to ship any brand is the same... well you see where I'm going with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuburbanSmoker Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 that really really sux. I think SB is overrated with the casuals who dont know any better. All i ever hear with new people who come to smoke sesh's is how good some fruity flavor of SB is. Then the poppage of the tangiers cherry happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Most people I introduce Tangiers to tend to shy away from it... it's too much of a buzz for casual smokers. Hell, I smoke daily and the buzz from Tangiers still gets me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f22a4bandit Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I wouldn't exactly say that Starbuzz is overrated, but I WOULD say its is OVERPRICED WAY TOO MUCH. They definitely have good flavors, but I do tend to stay away from SB strictly because of the price. If it were maybe ~$13-$16 I think I would invest more.I'm still trying different tobaccos. I honestly haven't really had a real in your face experience by any brand so far. Fantasia's PL is great, but that's just one flavor. It's just a matter of preference. Having no current job sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Shop around a bit online and you'll find Starbuzz within that price range. $15 is easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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