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The doctors is a tv show on right now at least in my area and they are about to do a peice on hookah. These guys usualy do some really good stuff and am interested in seeing what they have to see. so if you are not doing anything find out what channel it is on and give it a try.
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Gee..hookah is bad for you...who knew?

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But seriously, I havent seen this piece but i can guess what its going to show. And in a way it's probably right. This ISN'T a healthy hobby folks...anyone who doubts it is an Idiiot.
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QUOTE (Cerberus @ Feb 3 2009, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah would be great to know what network its on or if we can stream on the web.



have you tried looking on the website?
this is the listing for the state of TN

Nashville, Tennessee
WKRN-TV 2
M-F 3:00 PM
http://www.wkrn.com/

Memphis, Tennessee
WPTY-TV 24
M-F 3:00 PM
http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/

Knoxville, Tennessee
WBIR-TV 10
M-F 2:00 PM
http://www.wbir.com/

Chattanooga, Tennessee
WTVC-TV 9
M-F 10:00 AM
http://www.newschannel9.com/

Tri Cities, Tennessee
WCYB-TV 5
M-F 2:00 PM
http://www.wcyb.com/
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I've just looked at a promo on their website - man, I don't want to watch a single episode. It's just one of those shows that tells you that living is very, very dangerous. smile.gif

Besides, is it just me or all the research that has been done states that "blah blah hookah smoke blah blah" and none make the point that the tobacco is actually being vaporized and not burnt? Edited by MeHT
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That segment sucked. They said it is basically just as bad as smoking ciggs and they interviewed someone who smokes hookah.

They didn't have any legit info/specs or anything. It was like 5 minutes long.

no talk about how it is burned, how it has no added chemicals or anything.

LAAAAME
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QUOTE (MeHT @ Feb 3 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've just looked at a promo on their website - man, I don't want to watch a single episode. It's just one of those shows that tells you that living is very, very dangerous. smile.gif

Besides, is it just me or all the research that has been done states that "blah blah hookah smoke blah blah" and none make the point that the tobacco is actually being vaporized and not burnt?


Its actually one of the medical shows that I actually like, they usually tell it like it is.


As far as the episode went, they really talked about it for about 2 seconds and wouldnt be worth changing some of your plans to see. Basically they said it wasnt any better or worse then ciggerets.
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QUOTE (wpw36 @ Feb 3 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.thedoctorstv.com/main/show_syno...ection=synopsis

there is the show synopsis

in the pics looks like they have a MZ with a km hose


definitely an mz with km hose hahah.

in reality, these guys are doctors. they aren't researchers, or know anything special besides what they are taught. they are not taught to question research...
they just give you pills and inject poison into your body (2 plastic surgeons on the show?).

they probably dont have researchers on the show that are dedicated to finding out whats really happening. i cant blame them...all research is done this way. it doesn't shock or surprise me.
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QUOTE
A Safer Smoking Alternative?

Smoking hookah -- a water pipe used for smoking fruit-infused tobacco -- is customary in the Middle East and is gaining popularity in the United States. “It tastes good,” Dr. Jim says after trying a hookah. “I don’t smoke, and I’ve had a few puffs of this and it doesn’t seem to irritate the lungs. It’s not making me cough. I would definitely think that this is better for me than cigarettes.”



“I have to say, as a second-hand receiver of the smoke, it doesn’t smell like regular smoke from a cigarette,” Dr. Travis says. “It smells fruity; it doesn’t make you want to cough. Usually if I’m around people at a coffee shop who are smoking, I want to go to the end of the room. But this actually smells quite nice.”


Many people think it is a safer alternative to smoking cigarettes because they believe the water filters out toxic chemicals, when, in fact, it does not. According to a World Heath Organization advisory, a typical one-hour session of hookah smoking exposes the user to 100 to 200 times the volume of smoke inhaled from a single cigarette. Even after passing through the water, tobacco smoke still contains high levels of toxic compounds, including carbon monoxide, heavy metals and carcinogens.


“You still have all the effects of the tobacco, and it can be potentially cancerous,” Dr. Travis says. “This is not one of those things you can harmlessly smoke after a long day.”


I really liked that they said "volume of" and not "equivalent to". When people say "equivalent to" that makes me mad because they are saying that the big list of all the chemicals that are added to cigs are also in our shisha. Volume is a much better term, and more correct in my opinion.

Good for the doctors.
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Aren't most of the carcinogens in cigarettes released because of the high combustion temperatures related to actually burning the tobacco while smoking compared to Hookah where you are not supposed to burn the tobacco, but evaporate the moisture ?
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QUOTE (ebarnes02 @ Feb 3 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't most of the carcinogens in cigarettes released because of the high combustion temperatures related to actually burning the tobacco while smoking compared to Hookah where you are not supposed to burn the tobacco, but evaporate the moisture ?


that seems to be the case yes. you aren't evaporating the moisture per se. you are heating the tobacco the point of vaporizing the nicotine and at the same time causing the glycerin to go from liquid to gaseous phase (which creates the clouds).
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many hookah smokers keep telling themselves that hookah smoke is better than cigarettes. neither is better than the other.
they are both bad in their own way.

sure, cigarettes are burned and might have more carcinogens but you dont take huge lungful's each inhale...
with hookah, the heat from the charcoal does vaporize the nicotine and molasses/glycerin without burning the tobacco itself but taking huge inhales allows those sticky vapors to get further in your lungs while clogging up the smaller ventricles (or whatever they are called in your lungs) with sticky substance.

we can debate this for another hundred or thousand years but i dont think we will ever get a definitive answer. they each have their so-called advantages and disadvantages over the other which is what makes it such a tough comparison.
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QUOTE (chinamon @ Feb 3 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
many hookah smokers keep telling themselves that hookah smoke is better than cigarettes. neither is better than the other.
they are both bad in their own way.

sure, cigarettes are burned and might have more carcinogens but you dont take huge lungful's each inhale...
with hookah, the heat from the charcoal does vaporize the nicotine and molasses/glycerin without burning the tobacco itself but taking huge inhales allows those sticky vapors to get further in your lungs while clogging up the smaller ventricles (or whatever they are called in your lungs) with sticky substance.

we can debate this for another hundred or thousand years but i dont think we will ever get a definitive answer. they each have their so-called advantages and disadvantages over the other which is what makes it such a tough comparison.



the sticky substance i believe you are referring to is tar...you need to prove the tar is in the smoke...personally i can only supply anecdotal evidence of tar not occurring as i smoked indoors for 3 years and nothing smelled of hookah. if it had tar it would have (see cigarette smoke). instead the glycerine simply dissipated.
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