cotsi95 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 QUOTE (Sylren @ Feb 13 2009, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why do so many people smoke Tangiers when it is so tempermantal? Is it so good that it's worth all the work?I smoke it to be honest because it weeds the weak hookah smokers from the ones that really do know what they are doing. If you know what your are doing with tangiers when it comes to acclimating, packing and heat management you wont have a problem. Most people that dont understand it will have problems and usually they give up. Its soo worth it thought when you get that bowl JUST right and OMG you cant stop smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHarding Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I smoke it 'cause I've gotten it to smoke good more often than other shishas. Especially most of AF's new crappy line. Plus Tangiers has a pretty strong flavor, usually, and for me it's easier to smoke and get going with less coals and time than others. It's a little pricey and finicky, sure, but it's worth it once it's done right. It's also a good cut of tobacco, unlike most others.The buzz is just a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 i smoke it because Eric is a cool guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Well, surface appearances can be murder...Some humidity effects occur, bt overall, I find it to smoke well 80+% of the time, excellent 18% of the time and only one time in 50 is awful...1. Heat management2. packing technique3. Cleaning and maintenance of hookahThose are the top three problems. To the first one, only you can know when you've gone too far. The second one, All the arabs I've known pack a bowl the same way. This sprinkle method so you can waste charcoal is newer...perhaps in the past 3 or 4 years. Cleaning and maintenance is important because the way we put flavors on the tobacco helps clean the pipe of the other dirty way most companies add flavor to their tobacco (and leaves lots of residue), so Tangiers is trying blast all the transient flavors out...which, if your pipe is used for smoking some brands primarily, it may make the whole experience quite nasty as the Tangiers flavor is cleaning out all the accumulated, non-water-soluble stuff in your pipe. It sounds like, from your post and final response, you had made up your mind before you opened the thread...what did you want to know or what question can I answer? I can say that comparable black molasses brands imported from the middle-east (although not as good, in my opinion) would wholesale for $80-$120/Kg...and they are more temperamental than Tangiers. If its that big a problem, why is 30+% of the Middle-Eastern market buying black-molasses brands? Tangiers is the only one in the U.S. (and Canada too?) at any price...its not some weird horse and buggy idea, molasses-based tobaccos are established despite being the most expensive and people buy them in significant quantity...I think a retail of ~$56/Kg is quite reasonable at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ninja Robot Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Eric can you expound on what method the arabs you speak of use? I'm assuming you mean they pack tighter with everything but it was somewhat unclear to me and I would love to hear your thoughts on packing in general. It seems from a couple recent posts that the sprinkle method is being challenged and I'd love to try out other methods that may produce a better smoke.On topic, to reiterate what others have said, it's like learning to ride a bike, once you get it you get it and it really is FANTASTIC tobacco, very good flavors, smooth, copious amount of smoke when heat is right, and alot of longevity.I was frustrated at first but soon got it right and now love it. Moreover I live in Michigan which is notorious for random weather changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 QUOTE (giant ninja robot @ Mar 25 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Eric can you expound on what method the arabs you speak of use? I'm assuming you mean they pack tighter with everything but it was somewhat unclear to me and I would love to hear your thoughts on packing in general. It seems from a couple recent posts that the sprinkle method is being challenged and I'd love to try out other methods that may produce a better smoke.On topic, to reiterate what others have said, it's like learning to ride a bike, once you get it you get it and it really is FANTASTIC tobacco, very good flavors, smooth, copious amount of smoke when heat is right, and alot of longevity.I was frustrated at first but soon got it right and now love it. Moreover I live in Michigan which is notorious for random weather changes.Well, filling the bowl primarily, the density of it is variable, but generally much tighter. I learned at Fumari, and fro other arab places and such, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ninja Robot Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Thanks I'm starting to pack tighter in the last few days and it seems to be giving me better sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 QUOTE (Sonthert @ Mar 25 2009, 08:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Cleaning and maintenance is important because the way we put flavors on the tobacco helps clean the pipe of the other dirty way most companies add flavor to their tobacco (and leaves lots of residue), so Tangiers is trying blast all the transient flavors out...which, if your pipe is used for smoking some brands primarily, it may make the whole experience quite nasty as the Tangiers flavor is cleaning out all the accumulated, non-water-soluble stuff in your pipe.I'm guessing you don't want to mention which companies add flavors the dirty way? If you don't mind, are Nakhla, AF and Fusion one of those companies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 QUOTE (click @ Feb 13 2009, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Scoop @ Feb 13 2009, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so cal here...never have to acclimate. lolWut he said ^ True with my situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alqoshnia1 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 QUOTE (giant ninja robot @ Mar 24 2009, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Eric can you expound on what method the arabs you speak of use? I'm assuming you mean they pack tighter with everything but it was somewhat unclear to me and I would love to hear your thoughts on packing in general. It seems from a couple recent posts that the sprinkle method is being challenged and I'd love to try out other methods that may produce a better smoke.On topic, to reiterate what others have said, it's like learning to ride a bike, once you get it you get it and it really is FANTASTIC tobacco, very good flavors, smooth, copious amount of smoke when heat is right, and alot of longevity.I was frustrated at first but soon got it right and now love it. Moreover I live in Michigan which is notorious for random weather changes.Could you help a fellow Michigander, cause my sessions with Tangiers are hit n miss? I've tried many different ways, but cant seem to be consistent whatsoever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I find it...hmmm inappropriate to disclose that type of information. I used to make citrus flavors the dirty way, but we've switched technology. At the time, it seemed to be the only way since the citrus terpenes are quite insoluble in water. I found out that a major supplier of hookah flavors to the industry uses only dirty flavoring methods in the past month or so. Its all a matter of suspicion, really and some other characteristics of the tobacco that lead me to believe that some companies use "dirty" flavoring technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 fair enough. it's nice to know that you use techniques different than other companies...and it's gotta be a good thing. Tangiers is exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih303 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 My biggest gripe about tangy is the acclimation time.I live in SD where it's dry and where tempuratures fluctuate a lot. I've had some og pineapple and tropical revenge acclimating for a week, and they still have an overpowering tobacco smell. I tried packing a bowl yesterday just to try it out and the taste/smoke was way off. I guess patience is a virtue when dealing with tangiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 whats the "Dirty" method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inino Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 QUOTE (Sonthert @ Mar 24 2009, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, surface appearances can be murder...Some humidity effects occur, bt overall, I find it to smoke well 80+% of the time, excellent 18% of the time and only one time in 50 is awful...1. Heat management2. packing technique3. Cleaning and maintenance of hookahThose are the top three problems. To the first one, only you can know when you've gone too far. The second one, All the arabs I've known pack a bowl the same way. This sprinkle method so you can waste charcoal is newer...perhaps in the past 3 or 4 years. Cleaning and maintenance is important because the way we put flavors on the tobacco helps clean the pipe of the other dirty way most companies add flavor to their tobacco (and leaves lots of residue), so Tangiers is trying blast all the transient flavors out...which, if your pipe is used for smoking some brands primarily, it may make the whole experience quite nasty as the Tangiers flavor is cleaning out all the accumulated, non-water-soluble stuff in your pipe. It sounds like, from your post and final response, you had made up your mind before you opened the thread...what did you want to know or what question can I answer? I can say that comparable black molasses brands imported from the middle-east (although not as good, in my opinion) would wholesale for $80-$120/Kg...and they are more temperamental than Tangiers. If its that big a problem, why is 30+% of the Middle-Eastern market buying black-molasses brands? Tangiers is the only one in the U.S. (and Canada too?) at any price...its not some weird horse and buggy idea, molasses-based tobaccos are established despite being the most expensive and people buy them in significant quantity...I think a retail of ~$56/Kg is quite reasonable at that.The other black molasses tobacco is nowhere near as good as tangiers. flavorwise and smokewise. The reason we all love tangiers is because the flavors are spot on. rarely ever bad batches. longevity in your bowl. lots of smoke. decently priced. oh and last but not least, because Eric is the man! No, but really i have heard about how much he put into designing the tobacco and the phunnel bowl. it is intense, not something he just slopped together one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjacksm Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Dirty Flavoring...?? Oh jesus... You don't want to know what runs through my mind when I look at a starbuzz can and see "passion kiss" or "sex on the beach" and how they got the flavoring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbb123 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I opened a pack of A-W (mint i believe) and it was so green it stained my fingers.... Kinda grossed me out. Smoking Tangiers Kiwi Right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranoid no ki Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I have some root beer, I live on Long Island, NY on waterfront property. The weather here is chaotic and I have not been able to get it to acclimate.I really want to try tangiers, but cannot get the damn thing to work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuburbanSmoker Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 QUOTE (willbb123 @ Mar 25 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I opened a pack of A-W (mint i believe) and it was so green it stained my fingers.... Kinda grossed me out. Smoking Tangiers Kiwi Right now.If it was aw that must be a very very old batch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victim026 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 QUOTE (SuburbanSmoker @ Mar 25 2009, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (willbb123 @ Mar 25 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I opened a pack of A-W (mint i believe) and it was so green it stained my fingers.... Kinda grossed me out. Smoking Tangiers Kiwi Right now.If it was aw that must be a very very old batch.Yeah it's at least been 2 years since they used coloring in the shisha they make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjacksm Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (tranoid no ki @ Mar 25 2009, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have some root beer, I live on Long Island, NY on waterfront property. The weather here is chaotic and I have not been able to get it to acclimate.I really want to try tangiers, but cannot get the damn thing to work out.Tangiers on Long Island is pretty difficult my friend... but it can be done... acclimate on a nice day, once its done acclimating (once it smells good the first time around) put it in the tub and seal it up! and when its a crappy day out dont open it up it'll screw it up. When its nice out again open it up let it acclimate for 30 min. Edited March 26, 2009 by newjacksm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boricua Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Just moke Lucid Tangiers - DC is pretty crappy weather wise and Lucid smokes great for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 QUOTE (tranoid no ki @ Mar 26 2009, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have some root beer, I live on Long Island, NY on waterfront property. The weather here is chaotic and I have not been able to get it to acclimate.I really want to try tangiers, but cannot get the damn thing to work out.Its not an acclimation issue. Tangiers Root Beer sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 QUOTE (Sonthert @ Mar 26 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (tranoid no ki @ Mar 26 2009, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have some root beer, I live on Long Island, NY on waterfront property. The weather here is chaotic and I have not been able to get it to acclimate.I really want to try tangiers, but cannot get the damn thing to work out.Its not an acclimation issue. Tangiers Root Beer sucks.good thing i changed my mind about F-Line Root Beer then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a cliche affair Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 QUOTE (Sonthert @ Mar 26 2009, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (tranoid no ki @ Mar 26 2009, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have some root beer, I live on Long Island, NY on waterfront property. The weather here is chaotic and I have not been able to get it to acclimate.I really want to try tangiers, but cannot get the damn thing to work out.Its not an acclimation issue. Tangiers Root Beer sucks.Coming from the man himself. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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