Tonight Failure

[jschoenith]

Ok, so tonight i smoked with a few friends. One of the people had a hookah and it was a four hoser but had an eminence vase but me being an idiot i thought my cheap two hoser that doesn't have a rush hole or anything would beat his. After smoking for a while i began to notice that my hookah wasn't hitting very well and the smoke wasn't thick and there wasn't a lot either. So i began thinking that the session last night, were i put milk and water in my vase, cloged up my stem and i got really mad. I also tried a new idea of where i use one layer of foil to cover the tabacco and then use a foil ring to help with heat distribution but i don't know why is was so hard to get smoke out of the hookah itself. But anyways, after getting mad i tried again to make another bowl and put the ring on the outside of the tobacco and put one layer of foil on that. After these attempts i never got my hookah to hit as well as it normally does. When i finally had to leave i tried to fix the possible clog but i still don't know what's wrong.

What a horrible smoking night

Any ideas of what is wrong???
And how can i make my hookah better?

Thanks

[supersubby]

1. clean your pipe
2. no need for the foil ring thing people have been smoking hookah for hundreds of years and that foil ring is uncess. all you need is a good hole pattern and heat distribution that you'l get perfectly through experience and practice.
3. dont put milk in your base.. you might make cheese if you dont make it right

sorry to hear about your night man hopefully you can show up that guy at the next party

[jschoenith]

well this other friend has a four hoser that is twice the size of mine but i want to add a rush hole or something because the stem i have now doesn't really suit me very well and i found out that creamer is the way to go because it doesn't bubble but i want to learn more about heat distribution. can anyone elaborate?

[supersubby]

i personally started out simple... i would make a ring on the outside and continue till i have one hole in the middle.. now i use this pattern.

and if that dosn't suite you just add more holes to your liking....i usually have good bowls that last 2+hours with nice thik smoke using this pattern with 1-2 hookahjohn coals on at a time

[jschoenith]

i use 3 kings coal and after reading about them and some of the reviews on here i heard they were good but i still and really bad at packing the bowl but i think im getting better. and i tend to do a spiral pattern starting on the outside and start to work inward. does anyone have any general tips

[supersubby]

i use 3 kings coal and after reading about them and some of the reviews on here i heard they were good but i still and really bad at packing the bowl but i think im getting better. and i tend to do a spiral pattern starting on the outside and start to work inward. does anyone have any general tips

thats a good pattern try less holes but toothpick sized holes or more holes with a pin sized holes..

i used 1 3k qls and that gives off a lot of heat and usually gives nice clouds

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

i hit a wall myself the last 7 days..i found my shisha was not air tight..so check the gromets...and give her a nice scrubing top to bottom..

[jschoenith]

yeah i think one day i am going to soak my parts in my water but idk how i should do it because its not that good but i think the rubber seals (gromets) are ok. I always think i never do it right, it just doesn't seem like its right

[SuburbanSmoker]

well if your nuking the bowl with heat and still get pitiful clouds the answer is a leak. simple test is to milk the base and slowly blow on the hose. observe where smoke comes out. this will tell you in your grommets arent tight.

[Kapten Kanel]

Actually, i believe that the type of tobacco/shisha we are smoking "only" have existed for like 15-20 years, if i remember right nakhla invented the fruit flavouring in the 80s, so more women would smoke or something. Al fakher came 1997 i think. Anyway, my point is that our way of smoking havent existed especially long, there is still room for improvement. /rant

[inino]

what do you mean by rush hole?

[modisess]

Ok, so tonight i smoked with a few friends. One of the people had a hookah and it was a four hoser but had an eminence vase but me being an idiot i thought my cheap two hoser that doesn't have a rush hole or anything would beat his. After smoking for a while i began to notice that my hookah wasn't hitting very well and the smoke wasn't thick and there wasn't a lot either. So i began thinking that the session last night, were i put milk and water in my vase, cloged up my stem and i got really mad. I also tried a new idea of where i use one layer of foil to cover the tabacco and then use a foil ring to help with heat distribution but i don't know why is was so hard to get smoke out of the hookah itself. But anyways, after getting mad i tried again to make another bowl and put the ring on the outside of the tobacco and put one layer of foil on that. After these attempts i never got my hookah to hit as well as it normally does. When i finally had to leave i tried to fix the possible clog but i still don't know what's wrong.

What a horrible smoking night

Any ideas of what is wrong???
And how can i make my hookah better?

Thanks

you're trying too hard.... if you've been getting great smoke in the past, stick to what you normally did. give a good washing to your pipe and just relax while you're setting up you're hookah.

[srawas89]

if you randomly couldnt get much smoke there may or may not be a leak. Or the ball in your purge valve (if you have one) is stuck and open. When you tried to smoke your hookah did it seem like it was not bubbling right? if thats the case it probably is the purge valve.

[cxc5120]

You don have a crack in the vase or anything do you? Or like above you might just have a terrible leak somewhere

[jschoenith]

i don't a purge valve but the thing where hoses are connected, each thing that you put the hose in has a ball in it kinda like a purge valve i think. but im pretty sure that i don't a leak because when i was smoking it, it took a lot of effort to inhale the shisha itself. Any ideas of why that might be?

[srawas89]

well if thats the case than you probably just packed the bowl too tight.

[K1024]

if it took a lot of effort to actually get smoke, in such that a weak pull got you nothing, then you have a leak.

if it took a really hard pull it was probably packed to tight...one trick i have when using an non phunnel is to poke all the way through the shisha and try to get into one of the holes in the bottom of the bowl.

[jschoenith]

oh ok and yeah the pull was really hard, like i was getting light headed when trying to inhale (something that never happens for me)
i will try to do that but i need to get like a kit because i rarely smoke at home and it's always some where else.
Thanks for the advice but you think that i should use tooth picks to poke all the way through

[K1024]

i have a poker on my tongs...idk you could probably use a toothpick assuming it didnt break when you put it in there. maybe try bending an old fork so that only one prong is out.

[trivial]

Ok, so tonight i smoked with a few friends. One of the people had a hookah and it was a four hoser but had an eminence vase but me being an idiot i thought my cheap two hoser that doesn't have a rush hole or anything would beat his. After smoking for a while i began to notice that my hookah wasn't hitting very well and the smoke wasn't thick and there wasn't a lot either. So i began thinking that the session last night, were i put milk and water in my vase, cloged up my stem and i got really mad. I also tried a new idea of where i use one layer of foil to cover the tabacco and then use a foil ring to help with heat distribution but i don't know why is was so hard to get smoke out of the hookah itself. But anyways, after getting mad i tried again to make another bowl and put the ring on the outside of the tobacco and put one layer of foil on that. After these attempts i never got my hookah to hit as well as it normally does. When i finally had to leave i tried to fix the possible clog but i still don't know what's wrong.

What a horrible smoking night

Any ideas of what is wrong???
And how can i make my hookah better?

Thanks

Yeah check if there is a leak

then when packing your bowl make it more loose.... once its packed you need to man up and blow from the bottom which will loosen your tabac more and will be able to tell if your bowl will get good airflow

also dont use milk... its a myth that it makes smoke thicker and second it bubbles up and you will get milk in your hose

the hole pattern is only semi important it is not a maker or breaker on smoke... just make sure you have enough holes for good air flow and you should be fine


lastly i think the problem of why you werent getting enough smoke was an over packed bowl and to little coals.... to little heat is going be your main reason for not getting enough smoke

[jschoenith]

oh yeah i have a poker too on my tongs so i'll try that next time i am packing my bowl

[jschoenith]

thanks, next time i will be more classical with my smoking and then i will try different things out

But what do you mean about blowing from the bottom?

[trivial]

thanks, next time i will be more classical with my smoking and then i will try different things out

But what do you mean about blowing from the bottom?

you blow at the bottom of the bowl (the part where you place it on the stem) .... by doing this you loosen the tobac and will know if you have good air flow

learned this from my friend who works at a hookah bar

[Bulldog_916]

The only place you want good airflow is from the bowl to the hose. Anything coming in from the purge valve will dilute your smoke and wont give you a very good pull at all. Check it for leaks.

[jschoenith]

i don't have a purge valve but i tried the blowing from the bottom and i found that it helped a lot