echotc Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I'm still really new to the whole hookah thing. I don't quite have it figured out. I'm trying to find out why I get harsh smoke sometimes (well all the time but it only lasts for a little bit). Hookah - Mya GyroShisha - Starbuzz White PeachCoals - 2 33mm Golden Quick Light coalsBowl - Normal Mya Bowlhow I setup-Fill bowl loosely with shisha-Cover with two sheets of foil-make alot of small holes (usually with a toothpick)-Light a coal, blow on it until it is completely red-Place coal toward the edge of the bowl and smoke-about halfway through the session (when smoke starts to get thin) I get up and ash the old coal-light a second coal (same as first)-Place on the opposite side of the bowlUsually in a few minutes I will get HARSH smoke. What do you think I am doing wrong?Thanks Tabitha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Well after you sprinkle use your palm to push down the shisha, and then if it is below the bowl you should add more shisha. Also I don't use QL's but isn't 2 33mm coals too much? Can anyone else chime in on this?I'd say try 3 half pieces of coal and add more shisha. Be patient and take plenty of pulls, give it a solid 5-10 min to see how it is then add coal if necessary.Also mya bowls are a bit deep so they can be a pain, although you can get them going good I prefer an egyptian bowl. Someone who smokes Starbuzz may be able to help you more alsoOh and I just re-read the post, you want to use less heat on the 2nd round because the shisha isn't as juicy, so if you use 2 and it works good, then use 1 or 1.5 for the 2nd round.Let me know how those things go and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapten Kanel Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 QUOTE (echotc @ Feb 21 2009, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm still really new to the whole hookah thing. I don't quite have it figured out. I'm trying to find out why I get harsh smoke sometimes (well all the time but it only lasts for a little bit). Hookah - Mya GyroShisha - Starbuzz White PeachCoals - 2 33mm Golden Quick Light coalsBowl - Normal Mya Bowlhow I setup-Fill bowl loosely with shisha-Cover with two sheets of foil-make alot of small holes (usually with a toothpick)-Light a coal, blow on it until it is completely red-Place coal toward the edge of the bowl and smoke-about halfway through the session (when smoke starts to get thin) I get up and ash the old coal-light a second coal (same as first)-Place on the opposite side of the bowlUsually in a few minutes I will get HARSH smoke. What do you think I am doing wrong?Thanks TabithaNever liked the mya bowl and people are probably going to back me up on this, its just too deep. Harsch smoke = too much heat/bad bowl packing + a few million other variables Pics of the bowl? Also as you probably know quicklights isnt exactly perfect, try to get some coconut shell coals/japanese silver coals/naturals, well you get the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinamon Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 when the first coal is half done, you start up a fresh coal and put it next to the first one? so you have one and half coals on the little mya bowl?that could be too much heat for such a small bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 On a Mya bowl using QLs, you should only need one piece, best is to split it in half and put it on either side of the bowl. You're just burning it with 2 QLs Mya bowls are kind of tricky as well because they're usually quite deep for their size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotc Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 QUOTE (jfaltous @ Feb 20 2009, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>On a Mya bowl using QLs, you should only need one piece, best is to split it in half and put it on either side of the bowl. You're just burning it with 2 QLs Mya bowls are kind of tricky as well because they're usually quite deep for their size. yeah if i use one coal there is usually unburned shisha at the bottom, which is annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafunk5446 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Best thing to do is keep at it....obviously. I had the same problem when I started as well. Eventually you will know when it is getting harsh well before it actually gets harsh, and every shisha requires a different amount of heat/packing/hole pattern. I dont use the same hole pattern/amount of coal on most shishas, but on a good note, once you get it down you shouldnt have problems...except when your hookah wants to be a dick and not work right for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Well when you use one coal does it produce good smoke? If it does then when that one dies add another, or maybe 3/4 of one.If it doesnt try 1.5 coals then another 1 coal after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotc Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 QUOTE (mattarios2 @ Feb 20 2009, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well when you use one coal does it produce good smoke? If it does then when that one dies add another, or maybe 3/4 of one.If it doesnt try 1.5 coals then another 1 coal after.the first coal gets great smoke. I guess once the first coal isn't producing enough heat i should just ditch it and move onto a second.The coals I'm using don't divide up very well but I'm planing on buying a diffrent brand next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaltous Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The leftover shisha is a downside of the Mya bowl's depth. That in combination with the QLs which burn rather hot is what's causing that layering... Best bet with the setup that you have is to either consider the bottom bit wasted, or to use the leftover bit at the bottom for another bowl (just take off the crispy stuff up top and add fresh shisha to the mix). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inino Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 in the words of mush. " harsh smoke means too much heat period." i believe this also, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbs Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 If you have the same style tongs as most people here, they have a "serrated" edge, you can score your coal with those and they usually break much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natgnat Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised if it's the bowl... I have two 3k QL and a windcover on SB Raspberry right now...giant clouds, and not harsh. I don't know if it helps, but I'm using this bowl: http://www.socialsmoke.com/item--Medium-Cl...-BOWLS0001.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erufiku Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) Well on a MYA bowl I remember using a 40mm QL coal split in half (on opposite sides of the bowl), that amount of heat was perfect for me. Also use the windscreen when the coals are dying down.Oh yeah and I always had some unburnt shisha on the bottom... just reuse it. Edited February 21, 2009 by erufiku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronvb24 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 I have the Mya QT i do not know if you have the same bowl I think it is smaller then yours. I have a body that smokes and no matter what he thinks it is harsh, not saying that this is the case here. With QL's I find as the first is dying and you wipe the ash and have a little amber just throw the next QL on top and let it spark after put it on the dish and wait for it to finish sparking once that is done put it on. I would also try ice in the base. It may help keeping the smoke heat down and will help condense the smoke for a nice thick cloud. With QL's it heats up quick so sometimes opening the valve helps and just let a little out and it may help. I usually leave the coal in the middle at start and run it around the edges if it gets a little hot. Not saying its right but it helps with using all the tobacco evenly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 less heat=less harsh. you have to find a happy medium for the tobacco. another reason could be your water level. if its not going through enough water it could be harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 QUOTE (chinamon @ Feb 21 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>when the first coal is half done, you start up a fresh coal and put it next to the first one? so you have one and half coals on the little mya bowl?that could be too much heat for such a small bowl.what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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