I Just Had To Comment On This, It Made Me Mad

[redjako]

If your in a college / university currently, you may be able to convince some of the labs to get on board with this actually, as students need lab time, and studies are constantly being created.

[Hooka_bears]

An easy way to show what goes in your lungs is to inhale a cigarette (or have a friend do it) and put a piece of a napkin or paper towel and exhale through it. You'll see the outline of your lips with a bunch of yellow/brown crap caught on the paper.

Do it with a hookah, and nothing sticks to the paper....

For you cigarette smokers, that might want to make you quit

[ryno]

"Not only does water-pipe smoking include the same substances as cigarette smoke such as carbon monoxide and tar, tobacco used for water-pipe smoking contains 2 to 4 percent nicotine verses 1 to 3 percent for cigarettes."

My favorite part of it all... 2-4 percent really? Most I've ever seen on the side of a tub is .5%

[Sonthert]

Well, I agree, Eternal Soil, but the Surgeon General also says the risks don't change whether you inhale or not.

Cigarette companies don't add cyanide, formaldehyde or the like to their cigarettes. Its a popular propaganda to say "Cigarette Smoke Contains..." the smoke does contain them, whether its from cigarettes, cigars or pipe tobacco, that is true, those chemicals are the pyrolytic chemicals produced by burning tobacco. It also never says how much there is of the various chemicals. They could be in such small quantities as to be almost irrelevant. I don't know how much formaldehyde, cyanide is in there, I'm just saying. There could be one part per billion and their statement is true, if not misleading as is most of their propaganda.

If you buy into all the anti-smoking propaganda, which is 65% bullshit, you will stop smoking hookah, because the anti-smoking guys will turn around to hookah eventually, whether there's any proof of danger from smoking hookah or not.

[HookahBoarder85]

It doesn't matter how much we think about the factors that smoking hookah could actually be completely risk-free. Nobody is going to pay mass amounts of money to run tests on it, everybody has drilled into them that tobacco = harm and/or death over time. End of story. I would love for somebody to come out and say "Shisha is completely harmless" but it will never happen. I believe that if the shisha is made with natural/organic tobacco and goes straight from the leaf to shisha without having the additives that cigarette tobacco have, then it will be perfectly fine, regardless of the frequency you smoke.

Other factors may be involved though, the chemicals in the molasses, fruit, coal, tin foil (which some studies claim promotes alzheimers) and the rubber in the hoses... but I don't think that it would be a significant amount to even measure in a single human's lifetime.

the bottom line is, Hookahs are DEFINITELY safer than cigarettes, and you probably have a 99.99999% chance that you wont get sick or anything from it.. so toke up!

[Sonthert]

Hmmm. I think I agree. I'm a little more conservative about it. Me and a distributor from Great Britain are talking about throwing down a couple of grand and testing it.

[Tom1]

you probably have a 99.99999% chance that you wont get sick or anything from it.. so toke up!

I literally laughed out loud, I'll take your word as a substitute for using any kind of science or reason.

Coconara's burn at 450f (pulling) for the inquiring minds. I forget the temp. it was when it was idle but both were tested using a laser thermometer.

[jhanzair]

I think I've read somewhere that the chemicals analysis that were made assumed 650 ºC or something like that - Way out. 200 ºC is standard oven temperatures for a pizza or bread cooking, so this clearly shows that shisha is *cooked*, not burned, as it is assumed by ignorant (or worse, biased) testers. That makes a huge difference as to the amount of harmful chemicals released.

Just a side-note: Some posts seem to suggest that shisha is innocuous or something like that - don't kid yourselves. Smoking is bad for your health. End. In my (very unscientific) opinion it is not as harmful as cigarettes, by a long shot, but still.

[ilikemyusername]

so, whats next?...oh i see it now!
hookah blamed for jesus' crucifiction, romans say "they were under the hookah spell"

[Tom1]

I think I've read somewhere that the chemicals analysis that were made assumed 650 ºC or something like that - Way out. 200 ºC is standard oven temperatures for a pizza or bread cooking, so this clearly shows that shisha is *cooked*, not burned, as it is assumed by ignorant (or worse, biased) testers. That makes a huge difference as to the amount of harmful chemicals released.

Are you saying the study assumed the coals were 650 C based on what chemicals were produced from the shisha? I hope not, but thats 1202 Fahrenheit, close to the temp of a burning cigarette. Even though the coals get up to around 450 F doesn't even mean the shisha gets that hot since there's the barrier of foil and depending on how you pack the bowl, a space between the foil and the shisha.

Believe me guys, the tests are coming and they look VERY promising so far.

[Sonthert]

Cigarettes burn around 850F