New Hookah Design

[agentscot]

stole my idea...
did the same except w/o winebottles, and by stole i mean did it way better than i did lol
i may blatently copy you on this if thats not a problem...cuz i like your implementation better than mine

go ahead and copy it if you want. I'm not looking to patent this or anything. i just like building stuff and smoking. This way, I combine the two interests.

[SuburbanSmoker]

go ahead and copy it if you want. I'm not looking to patent this or anything. i just like building stuff and smoking. This way, I combine the two interests.

I respect this. Props to you dude.

[Scalliwag]

How 'bout The Triple Threat? The name doesn't really matter to me, so call it whatever you want.

I am definitely looking forward to your spin off. I was kinda limited in what I could do because I don't have access to any real tools or materials. if I knew how to weld or how to bend or curve stainless pipe, I could have made it a lot fancier. I'd love to see where this idea goes, hell maybe a manufacturer will pick it up eventually.

Well anything has to sound better than my namesake, the "Scallimod". But we need to stamp this as your idea because otherwise down the road peeps won't know who came up with it. I'm all about giving credit where credit is due and dude that gets major props from me. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
When Tarik at MNHookah had the mods made in glass and Tang's phunnel I was super impressed to see them taken to a new level with part of an idea of mine.
So "Agentscot's Triple Threat" I think would be nice. Can I get a second?"
BTW look what I picked up at Harbor Freight (there is one two miles from me ) The reason I picked up the solid bits is because I have a tough time controlling a holesaw without a pilot bit. I drilled a starter hole with the small bit and then step it up and use the last like a rotary file. In some cases the hole may have to be a little oval shaped if the tubes come thru the grommet at an angle.
So later on I'm knocking this dawg out. Here is a pic of what I picked up.

[Scalliwag]

if I knew how to weld or how to bend or curve stainless pipe, I could have made it a lot fancier. I'd love to see where this idea goes, hell maybe a manufacturer will pick it up eventually.

Let me help you out in this department. One I was a welder for a LONG time before I got into I.T. I know more than I'd like to know on the subject. A lot of the time welding was doing fit-up work and prepping so a lot more than just welding.
Don't worry about stainless except for applications where you have to have it. It is a very hard metal to work with. It is harder (in strength) than most tooling. So drill bits and saw blades etc. have to be higher end to have much life at all.
A die (for making male threads) that will thread stainless is high dollar compared to carbon steel dies.
Bending stainless... that is a whole other can of worms. Stainless like all metals comes in different grades and types. Kinda like everybody has heard of 6061 aluminum because it is so common because it is a pretty versatile hardness to put it in laymans terms. It is not so hard it will not bend without cracking (to a limit and with caution) and it is not so soft that is takes away from structural quality. There are much better grades for forming (6063 is one) and much better grades for structural.

With all that said stainless is great stuff but it is not usually the best choice. Hell the shit even costs much more. If you want to form stainless tubing be sure to get the right grade.Even when it is a formable grade you still have to know what you are doing and have the right tools. If you look at this cheap tubing bender http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/disp...Itemnumber=3755 you will see the mechanics behind tube bending. If the tube is in a groove with close to the same radius it helps keep the tube from collapsing. Notice I said "helps". This is all general information and you have to get a feel for it. I've always used the analogy that welding a fabrication is like learning to play a guitar. A book or advice is a good place to understand the concept but it will never replace picking up a guitar and pracitice practice practice forever and a day. You get better over time.
What you did here shows to me that you have the talent and with all the above you will get the skillsets to do whatever you want to do. If there is something you think I may know the answer to I'm more than happy to help.

[agentscot]

if I knew how to weld or how to bend or curve stainless pipe, I could have made it a lot fancier. I'd love to see where this idea goes, hell maybe a manufacturer will pick it up eventually.

Let me help you out in this department. One I was a welder for a LONG time before I got into I.T. I know more than I'd like to know on the subject. A lot of the time welding was doing fit-up work and prepping so a lot more than just welding.
Don't worry about stainless except for applications where you have to have it. It is a very hard metal to work with. It is harder (in strength) than most tooling. So drill bits and saw blades etc. have to be higher end to have much life at all.
A die (for making male threads) that will thread stainless is high dollar compared to carbon steel dies.
Bending stainless... that is a whole other can of worms. Stainless like all metals comes in different grades and types. Kinda like everybody has heard of 6061 aluminum because it is so common because it is a pretty versatile hardness to put it in laymans terms. It is not so hard it will not bend without cracking (to a limit and with caution) and it is not so soft that is takes away from structural quality. There are much better grades for forming (6063 is one) and much better grades for structural.

With all that said stainless is great stuff but it is not usually the best choice. Hell the shit even costs much more. If you want to form stainless tubing be sure to get the right grade.Even when it is a formable grade you still have to know what you are doing and have the right tools. If you look at this cheap tubing bender http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/disp...Itemnumber=3755 you will see the mechanics behind tube bending. If the tube is in a groove with close to the same radius it helps keep the tube from collapsing. Notice I said "helps". This is all general information and you have to get a feel for it. I've always used the analogy that welding a fabrication is like learning to play a guitar. A book or advice is a good place to understand the concept but it will never replace picking up a guitar and pracitice practice practice forever and a day. You get better over time.
What you did here shows to me that you have the talent and with all the above you will get the skillsets to do whatever you want to do. If there is something you think I may know the answer to I'm more than happy to help.

Thanks for the offer, but I probably won't be undertaking any new projects any time soon, especially if they are more involved than the one I just finished.

Also, that 3 way air connector you picked up looks perfect. I'm really looking forward to how that comes out.

I had problems drilling at first too, so what I did was make little templates out of cardboard and duct taped them to the bottle where I needed to drill. The cardboard held the drill bit in place long enough for for the hole to get started.

[K1024]

this idea has been around for a long ass time but in reverse...though i cant really link to it because its use in nht..those people are crazy inventive sometimes lol.

at any rate ive been meaning to do this for a while and i guess that i have to get off my lazy ass and build one too.

i still want to know how it does with warm water in the middle and ice water on the outside bottles.

[Scalliwag]

Thanks for the offer, but I probably won't be undertaking any new projects any time soon, especially if they are more involved than the one I just finished.

Also, that 3 way air connector you picked up looks perfect. I'm really looking forward to how that comes out.

I had problems drilling at first too, so what I did was make little templates out of cardboard and duct taped them to the bottle where I needed to drill. The cardboard held the drill bit in place long enough for for the hole to get started.

You really have to enjoy doing it. If it seems like more work than fun and the satisfaction of the work does not seem to make all the headache seem like an afterthought then I can understand. The sad part is that there's a lot of folks that wished they had the talent you displayed on this. They are the ones I envy for other qualities they have so that's usually a two way street.
Hopefully you'll fall victim to another idea that will drive ya nuts until you try it and when you do gimme a holler

That template idea is good obviously. I have a little drill press and I could make a jig to lock a bottle into so the hole is in the exact same place and no chance of the bit "walking". But like I said earlier I'm still thinking that some angles are going to cause me to need to oval the holes so I can angle it. The only way to avoid it on my idea is to make a double bend to change the angle to a more perpendicular one.

Those of you that know me fairly well will not be at all shocked when they see this. Let's just say it fits something they know about me pretty well. No it's not made of loose screws!!!

[agentscot]

You really have to enjoy doing it. If it seems like more work than fun and the satisfaction of the work does not seem to make all the headache seem like an afterthought then I can understand. The sad part is that there's a lot of folks that wished they had the talent you displayed on this. They are the ones I envy for other qualities they have so that's usually a two way street.
Hopefully you'll fall victim to another idea that will drive ya nuts until you try it and when you do gimme a holler

Oh it was really fun making it. I love building stuff. i just don't have the time to start another project now. It's getting into the thick of things in my classes this semester, and i have too much homework to justify spending time on building a hookah. So I'm gonna focus more on smoking them for a while.

[Scalliwag]

Oh it was really fun making it. I love building stuff. i just don't have the time to start another project now. It's getting into the thick of things in my classes this semester, and i have too much homework to justify spending time on building a hookah. So I'm gonna focus more on smoking them for a while.

Well that is really great news. I took it wrong obviously. I highly recommend sticking to studying something more lucritive than what these type of skills pay. That's a good sign you're a helluva lot smarter than I was at your age.

I figured I'd post a pic of what I've done so far. I picked up the aluminum tubing. I could not find my effing 1/4" pipe thread die If I had that it would be well on it's way to finished and final pics to post.
I'm tweaking out the first bottle and downpipe so I can get a visual on best angles and all. The first thing I confirmed was that the angle is too much on a Shiner bottle to keep it straight. I used a 1-1/2" v-belt pulley locked in my vise with a post to lock the pipe against to bend. You can probably tell in the pic from the sideview how I am using bends in the design to work with these bottles. The lengths and angles are still subject to change.

Shiner and I go way back and by golly if I can't take her with me I don't wanna go!
Once the bends are right I make two more to matchand polish them out so they look nice. Thread the ends and screw them into the brass manifold. I have a few ideas for on top of the manifold I would rather let you see when it is finished.
On the bottom the same thing. I really think that will be the part that makes me go ape-shit thinking about

[Scalliwag]

I still did not find my die and until I thread the tubes I can't get the exact measurements to make the base. But I was able to make a little mockup of kinda sorta how this will look. Not as classy as wine bottles but if I did not make a Shiner Shrine hookah I'd feel just awful. I decided to just buy an extra die tomorrow. I expect to get my herb in tomorrow or Friday and go back to hitting that project.
Thanks Agent for getting me an interim project to work on during my downtime. It could not have came in at a better time. Thread and polish the down pipes, thread and polish the main pipe, mount the tray and bowl, and build the base and this is done.
I need to figure out a good clearcoat to use on the labels on the bottles so getting them wet won't jack them up. It probably won't smoke worth a piss but it will make an interesting display piece in my study. Ms. Scalli will not let this thing near the reast of the house

[K1024]

scalli i like the way it looks...but your down stem is going to be weird! its going to have to go below the water, but the one coming up from the bottom is going to have to be above the water. good luck with that!

[Scalliwag]

scalli i like the way it looks...but your down stem is going to be weird! its going to have to go below the water, but the one coming up from the bottom is going to have to be above the water. good luck with that!

The bottle at the top does not have liquid. The stem goes straight thru to the bowl.

[K1024]

oh cool. see ive been wanting to do this for a while, but to do it so it works as a double filter. that way i can have warm water and cool water, getting the best of both worlds, and double filtration! i like to pretend that im making my hookah healthier and healthier as i go along.

[Scalliwag]

oh cool. see ive been wanting to do this for a while, but to do it so it works as a double filter. that way i can have warm water and cool water, getting the best of both worlds, and double filtration! i like to pretend that im making my hookah healthier and healthier as i go along.

The problem with pulling thru two different vessels is the draw and purging. To fix the purging issue you could have the purge valve in the last vessel pipe over to the first vessel. Sure you would be purging from one to another and out but it would still be effective. Cause Momma always said "stale smoke is the devil!!!"
The pic illustrates what I mean

[chromecarz00]

PURGING IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT SMOKE ENOUGH
lol and in reality, stale smoke is one or two hits, its more of a luxury than a necesity

[Scalliwag]

Well I got her smokin and it smokes EXCELLENT!!! Since there is not much volume in a beer bottle there is not much room for stale smoke hence not a need for a purge valve I made a vid I will post to Youtube and I give Agentscot his kudos for the concept. I will make a new thread for it. But for now here is a pic or two

[K1024]

PURGING IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT SMOKE ENOUGH
lol and in reality, stale smoke is one or two hits, its more of a luxury than a necesity

yeah i dont really see the need for a purge, but you could do it the way you just described, what with a one way stopper and whats not.

what do you mean by stale smoke?

eventually someday ill get around to making mine, i need moneys before i can though... Edited March 13, 2009 by K1024

[clumsygrace]

Mad props for the Shiner, Scalli.

[Giant Ninja Robot]

Whoah...Scalli you a-freakin-maze me sometimes.

Good ol modern ingenuity, nice job sir.

[agentscot]

dude, that looks freaking awesome! way to take my idea to the next step.
However..... There are no smoking pics..... That's a problem....


btw, I'm in WV skiing right now, and I have limited internet access at the condo I'm in. Edited March 13, 2009 by agentscot

[Scalliwag]

DOH!!! Sorry, I posted a new thread with a link to the video with it in action. http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=29027 It smoke fantastic. I need to raise the water level a little and shorten the down pipes a bit to get more liquid in the bottles. Otherwise the water gets funky an hour or so into it. But I need to make a vid showing how easy it is to take apart. So pulling a bottle, giving it a quick rinse is not hard at all.
Thanks for the kind words! I know you should have a sense of pride in this yourself bro! After all it would not be here if you hadn't came up with the idea

[ilikemyusername]

wow, thats a cool design, you might be onto something.

[agentscot]

dude, that looks incredible.

Yeah, mine's pretty easy to disassemble and clean as well. I don't have a problem with changing the water though. But I think that has as much to do with the double filter as it does with the Phunnel instead of an egyptian bowl. I've smoked mine for a couple hour+ sessions without changing the water.

[wilarseny]

Mad props for the Shiner, Scalli.

Haha, I was just going to say... cool hookah, but also an excellent choice of brew. This is really fascinating stuff, might have to try this over the summer when I have enough time on my hands... I'm thinking a bottle of maker's mark would be an excellent piece for the middle...

[Scalliwag]

I think spraying the labels with silicone may help make the water resistant. There are some great labels out there that I think would be worth the extra care to keep.
This pic is one of my favorite bottles. It is a Salado Creek Amber with a flip-top lid. Ain't that some shit? I need a couple more of these guys