HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I was checking out some tobacco growing forums. It seems like a long process, like around a half a year, to grow and fully cure tobacco leaves. And it has to be a specific kind of tobacco for pipes. Thats the bad news. The good news is that you can easily make a very large quantity of tobacco in one shot. Anybody here thinking of growing their own and flavoring it for hookahs? Would be great.Also, are there any recipes for non-tobacco shisha? I know about scalli's but I'm kinda broke (a college student) so unless he gives out his recipe... LOL any ideas? Oh yeah, it has to be legal lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Well, I won't do that but this is a good set of tobacco based recipes and a good place to start http://www.smokehookah.info/shisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erufiku Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I think people are overreacting to the whole tax hike thing. So hookah baccy's gonna be $1 more, big deal... I don't see anyone starting to grow their own tobacco just because of that. If you factor in the time, effort, and related costs to growing it an producing actual hookah baccy, it will quickly become more expensive than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 Lol Scalli that was a good link. Thanks for showing me that. What do you think of growing your own tobacco though?Plus, before I became a member on this forum, I saw some of your vids on youtube. I thought they were very cool. When I saw that you were on this forum, I thought that was pretty neat as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (erufiku @ Mar 11 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think people are overreacting to the whole tax hike thing. So hookah baccy's gonna be $1 more, big deal... I don't see anyone starting to grow their own tobacco just because of that. If you factor in the time, effort, and related costs to growing it an producing actual hookah baccy, it will quickly become more expensive than you think.Actually, that 1.50 actually, will add up over time. And growing your own tobacco means not only do you not pay for the cigar(ettes) and shisha, but also you can make a ton of tobacco from a few plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erufiku Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Yeah I guess I can see your point, esp. with being able to control every step of the process (ie., don't like food coloring - don't use it). Still, I think if you're working it makes little sense to make your own. Unless you live in one of those countries where hookah baccy costs an arm and a leg (Northern Europe, Canada, Australia).That being said it'd be amazing if people started making their own hookah baccy and trading... Artisanal shisha FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (erufiku @ Mar 11 2009, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That being said it'd be amazing if people started making their own hookah baccy and trading... Artisanal shisha FTW LOL! Totally right on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1024 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 yeah i think i might start growing my own...something im going to look into since me and my roommate both decided we wanted to start a garden of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (K1024 @ Mar 11 2009, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah i think i might start growing my own...something im going to look into since me and my roommate both decided we wanted to start a garden of some sort.Make sure you have a greenhouse. A very cheap and effective one can be made. Just google it. lol That is... if you're not in the right zone/region.Can you keep us updated? Like a thread devoted to just your project? And which plants you use for hookah shisha (if thats what your objective is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1024 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 probably not going to go with a green house, our lot has a nice fenced in garden thats a good size so ill probably just try to get it to grow there.i guess i icould look into some herbal stuff as well for shisha, though im going to try to keep that down...my parents will already flip if im growing tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (K1024 @ Mar 11 2009, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>probably not going to go with a green house, our lot has a nice fenced in garden thats a good size so ill probably just try to get it to grow there.i guess i icould look into some herbal stuff as well for shisha, though im going to try to keep that down...my parents will already flip if im growing tobacco.Lol... tobacco plants actually can give off nicotine. So if your parents won't like the idea of growing it, they can smell it, thats only if they go to the garden... But I think thats if you have a lot of baccy plants. You'll need a greenhouse if you're not in the right zone to grow the plants. You live with your parents, so how will you manage all the leaves and the curing etc? Will they mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 it aint as easy as you all think. I have a friend who gives me some of his home grown tobacco every so often.I have been informed by my supplier that the price will go up $1 on every 250g tub. if some start charging more than that they are taking advantage of the situation. and lets face it, a buck a box spread out over 15 smokes isn't really going to matter much in the end. My retail prices will go up exactly $1. My house smokes won't change.Welcome to the real world i'm afraid....Now remember this at election time. If your lstate rep's ok'd this increase, let them know you will keep their actions in mind come election time. THAT'LL get their attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1024 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (HellCat @ Mar 11 2009, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (K1024 @ Mar 11 2009, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>probably not going to go with a green house, our lot has a nice fenced in garden thats a good size so ill probably just try to get it to grow there.i guess i icould look into some herbal stuff as well for shisha, though im going to try to keep that down...my parents will already flip if im growing tobacco.Lol... tobacco plants actually can give off nicotine. So if your parents won't like the idea of growing it, they can smell it, thats only if they go to the garden... But I think thats if you have a lot of baccy plants. You'll need a greenhouse if you're not in the right zone to grow the plants. You live with your parents, so how will you manage all the leaves and the curing etc? Will they mind?i dont live my parents, just near them.QUOTE (mushrat @ Mar 11 2009, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it aint as easy as you all think. I have a friend who gives me some of his home grown tobacco every so often.I have been informed by my supplier that the price will go up $1 on every 250g tub. if some start charging more than that they are taking advantage of the situation. and lets face it, a buck a box spread out over 15 smokes isn't really going to matter much in the end. My retail prices will go up exactly $1. My house smokes won't change.Welcome to the real world i'm afraid....Now remember this at election time. If your lstate rep's ok'd this increase, let them know you will keep their actions in mind come election time. THAT'LL get their attention. and yeah i was thinking about growing my own before the increase in price...just for shits and giggles really. if its to hard to grow here (indiana) ill just give it up, not a huge deal either way to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 Yeah, but the taxes will just keep going up and up. Shouldn't we become proficient at this so that later on, when it gets really expensive, we can just make our own?Oh and contacting state reps, they don't give a flying hoot about one person's "vote". And there are too many people against smoking altogether to even put up a decent opposition to the taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boricua Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I echo what others have said. $1 increase won't really make me worried. Gas increasing $1 or $2 now that might make me sweat but when you take that $1 and look at how often you actually go through 250gs of shisha then you notice it's not a big deal.Anyway, even if it got terribly expensive I wouldn't go through the whole ordeal of growing it, flavoring it, etc etcBut, the creative person in me does like the idea of making my own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 i still want to try making a stout flavoured shisha. be easy to flavour with a can of brewing extract.as to the vote..there are MILLIONS of smokers out there. organize them and you WILL have a voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I get that nobody wants to pay more, but I think we all have to keep in in perspective. You could double the price of everything right now and compared to other hobbies it would still be pretty reasonable. How much was your last ski lift ticket for example? How about the last concert ticket you bought? Last bottle of decent Scotch? The tax crunch on tobacco isn't a good thing but compare it to every other hobby or indulgence you have and you'll see it's not so very bad by comparison. And I say that as someone who's on a very strict budget these days!'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Mar 12 2009, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I get that nobody wants to pay more, but I think we all have to keep in in perspective. You could double the price of everything right now and compared to other hobbies it would still be pretty reasonable. How much was your last ski lift ticket for example? How about the last concert ticket you bought? Last bottle of decent Scotch? The tax crunch on tobacco isn't a good thing but compare it to every other hobby or indulgence you have and you'll see it's not so very bad by comparison. And I say that as someone who's on a very strict budget these days!'RaniOk yeah, I see your point, but why have the increase in the first place??? It is just rediculous!!! Why the hell should we pay even one more dollar for baccy? If they can do this increase and no one complains or has a reaction to it (because its just a measly dollar) they will become even more aggresive in taxing baccy in the future. Thats why I say grow baccy now, so that when SHTF we can easily suppliment our hobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erufiku Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Mar 12 2009, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I get that nobody wants to pay more, but I think we all have to keep in in perspective. You could double the price of everything right now and compared to other hobbies it would still be pretty reasonable. How much was your last ski lift ticket for example? How about the last concert ticket you bought? Last bottle of decent Scotch? The tax crunch on tobacco isn't a good thing but compare it to every other hobby or indulgence you have and you'll see it's not so very bad by comparison. And I say that as someone who's on a very strict budget these days!'RaniOh no, please don't bring that up... Last time I went to Whistler the lift tickets were around $100/day. We got a discount but still it was a splurge for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (HellCat @ Mar 12 2009, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lol Scalli that was a good link. Thanks for showing me that. What do you think of growing your own tobacco though?Plus, before I became a member on this forum, I saw some of your vids on youtube. I thought they were very cool. When I saw that you were on this forum, I thought that was pretty neat as well.If I went to the trouble of a greenhouse I would setup a hydroponic system because I always lean extreme and so while it may or may not turn out some of the best ever made it would phobably cost a fortune in the end. Just before harvest I would spike the system with flavoring so they would pull that into their system, then harvest before they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColibriDon Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I've been tempted to do this...same as I have been tempted to make my own shisha. I don't really much room to grow too many tobacco plants but, based on my readings, they can get by with just a nice planter outside on a patio or deck. Just google "Growing Tobacco" and you should get a lot of information. It will take a lot of time but, if you are ready to put in the time and effort to grow it, you could have some really premium tobacco. I would just go old school, 100% natural, bold tobacco. I considered looking into Perique tobacco but, outside of Louisiana, that is very hard to grow. Start looking into the different breeds of tobacco and find one that is really hearty and will thrive in Indiana. Keep in mind that tobacco is mainly grown in the south so, based on that, I would say that it loves humidity and heat. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Mar 12 2009, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I get that nobody wants to pay more, but I think we all have to keep in in perspective. You could double the price of everything right now and compared to other hobbies it would still be pretty reasonable. How much was your last ski lift ticket for example? How about the last concert ticket you bought? Last bottle of decent Scotch? The tax crunch on tobacco isn't a good thing but compare it to every other hobby or indulgence you have and you'll see it's not so very bad by comparison. And I say that as someone who's on a very strict budget these days!'RaniScotch? Did somebody say scotch?Yeah, it might affect prices $1-$1.50 per 250g. Some guys might use it as an excuse to raise prices (I did a little bit). Fantasia and their less than 250g containers might be affected less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellCat Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 QUOTE (Sonthert @ Mar 12 2009, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Some guys might use it as an excuse to raise prices (I did a little bit).See what I'm talking about? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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