Herbal Concerns?

[Scoop]

If you wikipedia bagasse, you see it says it has been associated with pulmonary fibrosis. No source of course....

I began to look into it..


"These studies in pulmonary function,together with the evidence pathologically of residual damage, support clearly the contention that bagassosis produces chronic prolonged functional and tissue changes which in some patients may become clinically significant."

Bagasse Disease of the Lungs -- After 25 Years
William A. Sodeman
DOI 10.1378/chest.52.4.505
Dis Chest 1967;52;505-507



"Bagasse has been implicated as one of the causative agents in extrinsic allergic alveolitis, hpersensitising pnemonitis or airway and lung dysfunction. The presence of a huge bagasse dump adjacent to a residential area has raised concern amongst residents who have experienced chronic flu like symptoms and coughing."

LUNG FUNCTION OF BAGASE EXPOSED RESIDENTS
Does Exposure to Bagasse alter lung function?
Puckree T and Lin J
Department of Physiotherapy, School of Physiotherapy, Sport Science and Optometry, University of KwaZulu Natal,
South Africa
Journal of Respiratory Care and Applied Technology



"An account is given of 11 cases of acute bronchiolitis and pneumonia arising from the inhalation of bagasse dust. One of these cases was fatal. Severe dyspnoea, cough with scanty sputum and occasional haemoptysis were the usual symptoms. There was a characteristic x-ray appearance which showed a miliary mottling scattered throughout both lungs with heavy shadows at the hilum. Reference is made to 14 similar cases described
in the literature, among which there was also one death. The aetiology is uncertain but the disease was most likely caused by bagasse dust. Two workers who had been in contact with the bagasse developed extensive fibrosis of lung, and one of these subsequently died."

Bronchiolitis Resulting from the Handling
of Bagasse
Donald Hunter and Kenneth M. A. Perry
doi:10.1136/oem.3.2.64
Occup. Environ. Med. 1946;3;64-74


There are tons and tons of studies (if you have database access, go to scholar.google.com and type in bagassosis, or bagasse lung, anything with that idea and you'll find tons). Obviously this is not from smoking bagasse...but rather exposure.

it is my feeling that you are a guniea pig if you smoke this stuff. if inhaling the dust from it causes lung problems, smoking it seems like a bad idea to me.

Thoughts?

[Scoop]

this post was made in association with the higher tobacco prices and my fears that this stuff will become even more popular with no knowledgeable research

[Hippo_Master]

this post was made in association with the higher tobacco prices and my fears that this stuff will become even more popular with no knowledgeable research

is it being sold now? I have never heard of it.

Ok just Wiki'd it I see exactly where you are going with it. I have heard Hydro is "Corn Husks" Edited March 18, 2009 by Hippo_Master

[mushrat]

soex is bagassey, but they write it it pig latin.

[Fluffy]

this post was made in association with the higher tobacco prices and my fears that this stuff will become even more popular with no knowledgeable research

is it being sold now? I have never heard of it.

Ok just Wiki'd it I see exactly where you are going with it. I have heard Hydro is "Corn Husks"

now were did you here that. Edited March 18, 2009 by Fluffy

[Scoop]

soex uses pig latin...if thats not some corny attempt at deception, i dont know what is...

Saalam uses sugar cane too.
I have a feeling "corn husks" is sugar cane too...if not i dont see it being any different (in terms of good luck finding research on smoking corn husks)

[ilikemyusername]

figures, good thing i don't smoke herbal shisha, i have my own nicotine related problems to contend with down the road. but seriously, good looking out.
and the fact that soex writes it in pig latin points to two things that are just wrong,
1 they know its bad stuff
or
2 they think its a secret recepie worth guarding! Edited March 18, 2009 by ilikemyusername

[SuburbanSmoker]

I dont really know anyone who will go out and spend money on soex. Good to know though.

[Sonthert]

Yeah, the largest risk of hookah smoking is in the charcoal. That hasn't changed with the sugar cane slough.

That's all wonderful, but they're talking about breathing in the shit as far as sugar-cane processors. My grandfather died of it, too, its called Farmer's lung if you're a farmer. Breathing in all that fine plant particulate is damaging to the lungs. I don't think that necessarily applies to hookah products. Tobacco dust does the same thing. You're not breathing the dust in, so I don't think it applies, Boris.

If you breath any particulate long enough it causes a fibrosis-like syndrome.

[Scalliwag]

wow, I've never heard of bagassey. Good thing I don't smoke it

[Scoop]

Yeah, the largest risk of hookah smoking is in the charcoal. That hasn't changed with the sugar cane slough.

That's all wonderful, but they're talking about breathing in the shit as far as sugar-cane processors. My grandfather died of it, too, its called Farmer's lung if you're a farmer. Breathing in all that fine plant particulate is damaging to the lungs. I don't think that necessarily applies to hookah products. Tobacco dust does the same thing. You're not breathing the dust in, so I don't think it applies, Boris.

If you breath any particulate long enough it causes a fibrosis-like syndrome.

Good point. I cannot find anything about what temperature bagasse will begin to give off various compounds. I found PAHs were present but that seems that any biomass burning would release those as well.

[Sonthert]

Its not the temperature as much as the airborne dust particles.