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not bad. i like the straw method....because it takes less work, but that one looks pretty nice and probably quiets the rumbles a lot more...

i only use a diffuser for movie and tv watching though...
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It'll surely work. I've played around with worse home-made diffusers and got good results, but I still think they're kinda pointless unless you're trying to watch a movie or something.

PS: That pic looks.... suggestive. Just sayin' wink.gif
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does that even work as a diffuser? your opening into the water is still the same size (the stem hole). I thought the idea was to create more openings / surface area touching the water to create more volume of smoke leaving the stem at the same rate.
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QUOTE (Scoop @ Apr 1 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
does that even work as a diffuser? your opening into the water is still the same size (the stem hole). I thought the idea was to create more openings / surface area touching the water to create more volume of smoke leaving the stem at the same rate.


Think about it; you can't actually alter how much smoke comes out, its fixed on how much comes down the stem.
What it does is breaks the big bubbles into smaller ones, and then the smaller ones create more surface area.
I noticed perhaps a slight difference? But its on there for bragging rights and stuff more than anything else.
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QUOTE (chromecarz00 @ Apr 1 2009, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Scoop @ Apr 1 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
does that even work as a diffuser? your opening into the water is still the same size (the stem hole). I thought the idea was to create more openings / surface area touching the water to create more volume of smoke leaving the stem at the same rate.


Think about it; you can't actually alter how much smoke comes out, its fixed on how much comes down the stem.
What it does is breaks the big bubbles into smaller ones, and then the smaller ones create more surface area.
I noticed perhaps a slight difference? But its on there for bragging rights and stuff more than anything else.


i understand what it does. i meant your specific one. it looks like you just added a strainer to the end of it. that wouldn't work because the surface area of the bubble leaving the stem is the same exact size (it looks like the stem is still open in the water as it would be without it). maybe its not, but from the picture thats what it looks like. it doesn't look like youre gonna get any diffusion happening is what im trying to get at (with your design)
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A diffuser is meant to do exactly what its name states, diffuse the bubbles. The only real impact that a diffuser has is quieting the bubbling of a hookah. If you dont want a roar during a movie or conversation stick one on. It could also theoretically change the temperature of the smoke with greater ease. More surface area, and smaller volume of bubbles means a faster energy transfer. That diffuser looks like it could work. It should accomplish the task of breaking up bubbles.
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QUOTE (Scoop @ Apr 1 2009, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (chromecarz00 @ Apr 1 2009, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Scoop @ Apr 1 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
does that even work as a diffuser? your opening into the water is still the same size (the stem hole). I thought the idea was to create more openings / surface area touching the water to create more volume of smoke leaving the stem at the same rate.


Think about it; you can't actually alter how much smoke comes out, its fixed on how much comes down the stem.
What it does is breaks the big bubbles into smaller ones, and then the smaller ones create more surface area.
I noticed perhaps a slight difference? But its on there for bragging rights and stuff more than anything else.

that wouldn't work because the surface area of the bubble leaving the stem is the same exact size .


Im not sure what you mean, but let me just explain; the diffuser there is completely covering the bottom of the base, the bubbles MUST pass through there to go anywhere...
Hopefully that clears it up?

Also, for anyone whos interested in the math of it, I was bored and needed to bring back some old skills, so heres the proof.
If anyone sees any problems, feel free to call them out, its been awhile.

For this example were going to use 2 bubbles; Big (cool.gif bubble and Small (S) bubble. Big bubble has r=10, small bubble has r=1
Volume of a sphere = (4/3)(pi)(rcubed), so VB would be (4000/3)(pi) and VS would be (4/3)(pi)...
Surface area of a sphere = 4(pi)(rsquared), so SAB = 400(pi) and SAS = 4(pi)
So to find how many S bubbles would fit into one B bubble, we would divde the volumes...
VB/VS = [(4000/3)(pi)]/[(4/3)(pi)], yielding an answer of 1000 S bubbles per 1 B bubble...
Now if we multiply SAS by the number of S per B, we get 4(pi) * 1000, which equals 4000(pi). This is larger than the SAB of 400(pi), so the more smaller bubbles there are the greater surface area exposed to the water.
If you're still with me, this is of course an idealistic perspective, as some bubbles end up combining. However on the whole, even with a 50% decrease in efficiency, it is still exposes 5x as much smoke to the water.
If you look at the diffusor, when a big bubble goes through it splits into many smaller bubbles, which through the equation above means more SA exposed to water, which in theory should have an effect on the smoke...

yeah i was bored lol
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diffusers do 2 real important things.

the first is that they allow the water to filter better, more surface area, more bad molecules falling off.

number 2 is quieting it.

number three would be temperature idealness...but as it turns out temp isnt a huge deal anyways..

number 4 would be making the pull easier...though it depends on the type of diffuser.

again 1 and 2 are the real important ones.
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QUOTE (chromecarz00 @ Apr 2 2009, 06:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Scoop @ Apr 1 2009, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (chromecarz00 @ Apr 1 2009, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Scoop @ Apr 1 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
does that even work as a diffuser? your opening into the water is still the same size (the stem hole). I thought the idea was to create more openings / surface area touching the water to create more volume of smoke leaving the stem at the same rate.


Think about it; you can't actually alter how much smoke comes out, its fixed on how much comes down the stem.
What it does is breaks the big bubbles into smaller ones, and then the smaller ones create more surface area.
I noticed perhaps a slight difference? But its on there for bragging rights and stuff more than anything else.

that wouldn't work because the surface area of the bubble leaving the stem is the same exact size .


Im not sure what you mean, but let me just explain; the diffuser there is completely covering the bottom of the base, the bubbles MUST pass through there to go anywhere...
Hopefully that clears it up?

Also, for anyone whos interested in the math of it, I was bored and needed to bring back some old skills, so heres the proof.
If anyone sees any problems, feel free to call them out, its been awhile.

For this example were going to use 2 bubbles; Big ( cool.gif bubble and Small (S) bubble. Big bubble has r=10, small bubble has r=1
Volume of a sphere = (4/3)(pi)(rcubed), so VB would be (4000/3)(pi) and VS would be (4/3)(pi)...
Surface area of a sphere = 4(pi)(rsquared), so SAB = 400(pi) and SAS = 4(pi)
So to find how many S bubbles would fit into one B bubble, we would divde the volumes...
VB/VS = [(4000/3)(pi)]/[(4/3)(pi)], yielding an answer of 1000 S bubbles per 1 B bubble...
Now if we multiply SAS by the number of S per B, we get 4(pi) * 1000, which equals 4000(pi). This is larger than the SAB of 400(pi), so the more smaller bubbles there are the greater surface area exposed to the water.
If you're still with me, this is of course an idealistic perspective, as some bubbles end up combining. However on the whole, even with a 50% decrease in efficiency, it is still exposes 5x as much smoke to the water.
If you look at the diffusor, when a big bubble goes through it splits into many smaller bubbles, which through the equation above means more SA exposed to water, which in theory should have an effect on the smoke...

yeah i was bored lol



i understood you till the italicized part... mellow.gif
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