Scalliwag Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I got a handful of pieces to play with. Some really neat woods. I will post the composition of each. These are just mockups so there is a couple of gaps that would not be on a finished handle. Larry has even more pieces and we'll try to get these things going out. My damn website is still in process. Things take more time than I like them to. But most projects are steadily coming along. So look at the pics and state your thoughts and suggestions. Check back regularly because this will be the pic repository for now.The first pic is olivewood in the middle with madrone burl each side and acrylic ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 The second pic the olivewood is replaced with Madagascar Ebony. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 The madrone burl is a wood that is really neat that the closer you look at it the details are pretty wild.So the third pic is a close of the madrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 Bocote with ornate madrone burl in the middle. Here in a bit I will use a straight handle and different colored cord on a curved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookworm Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 WOW! These look much cleaner and put together than the old turquoise one, but they still just don't have that factory quality look yet. hoses look fantastic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imsomint Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Scalli, are you turning pen blanks into hose handles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 QUOTE (Imsomint @ Apr 18 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Scalli, are you turning pen blanks into hose handles?No, but only because most are not big enough. Most are 3/4" before you turn them and they are usually only 5 inches long. It is best for us to have at least a 1x1x12 to start with so we can have enough for the handle and port end and the diameter be decent sized. The acrylic pieces we can get by with pen blanks because they are used as separators and tips so smaller diameter there is fine. Some pieces we start with are bigger and we rip them down on a tablesaw. That can help in material costs especially when using higher priced exotic woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) well drats, I can't upload Edited April 19, 2009 by Scalliwag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 something looks home made about them. i think it's the fact that you're putting multiple peices together to make one handle. maybe it''s just my taste, but i think one solid piece with different turns in it (think of a lathed table leg) would look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ninja Robot Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Here are some pics of a Lebanese hose I bought that I think is similar to what Zinite is referring to:I love the hose I have, it's wide enough to have a KM style draw though I haven't smoked from it yet. Scalli, maybe what you could try is keeping a single set of etchings/contours in the handle but simply swapping the materials/wood types for a more seamless look? Imagine the handle above but changing woods/acrylics at intervals, that way you're still able to customize materials used, but have a smooth continuity to the final piece so it doesn't look as piecemeal. Keep it up and thanks for valuing our input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 I dunno. I set one up with the same wood butted like that but at least if you saw one in person that would help. Hell I figured people would complain it looks like a chair leg if I did them this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ninja Robot Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 No Scalli that is BEAUTIFUL. Exactly what I meant I think it keeps it somewhat traditionally designed in form, allowing the beauty of the wood and acrylics to really POP.LOVE IT and would LOVE to see more variations along those lines, mayhap with the ebony wood or something slightly more contrasting I envy your will to make this project happen bro, good stuff.EDIT - two acrylic inserts on either side of the center wood piece would be badassery imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 wow that's beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 QUOTE (giant ninja robot @ Apr 18 2009, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>EDIT - two acrylic inserts on either side of the center wood piece would be badassery imoSo like the first handle but maybe a different color acrylic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ninja Robot Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 kinda. I really like the last hose, the bevels are sweet, is it possible to make similar bevels in acrylic? In the first prototype handle the acrylic and wood look disjointed because they are so dissimilar in shape and color, so if you could follow suit in shape, width, and bevels then you could play with colors to your hearts content and it would flow more smoothly to my eye. I would love to see shorter acrylic pieces, almost more as accents than large segments.EDIT - LIKE A BABY OF POST #4 and POST #13!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 QUOTE (Zinite @ Apr 18 2009, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>wow that's beautifulI'm glad you guys are giving me this input because it's completely opposite of the way I'm looking at it. But that's okay because that's the purpose of the thread. I just did not expect that at all. I have to get with Larry on this and see what all we can do along that line.The woods I lean towards using for starters is the bocote, coco bolo, teak, olivewood, mesquite, ebony, chechen, madrone burl, and any other burl I can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 QUOTE (giant ninja robot @ Apr 18 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>kinda. I really like the last hose, the bevels are sweet, is it possible to make similar bevels in acrylic? In the first prototype handle the acrylic and wood look disjointed because they are so dissimilar in shape and color, so if you could follow suit in shape, width, and bevels then you could play with colors to your hearts content and it would flow more smoothly to my eye. I would love to see shorter acrylic pieces, almost more as accents than large segments.EDIT - LIKE A BABY OF POST #4 and POST #13!!!!!!Yep, you can get all the same shapes in the acrylics as the wood. I will piddle around with some short acrylics like you are suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ninja Robot Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 I just realized that my ACRYLIC KM handle is quite ornate thanks for not taking it to me on that one lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Olivewood properly stained is some of the most beautiful wood out there (my dad ran a wood shop out of his garage - I've seen and probably worked with 90% of all widely available craft woods) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 QUOTE (giant ninja robot @ Apr 18 2009, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I just realized that my ACRYLIC KM handle is quite ornate thanks for not taking it to me on that one lolDang, I'm the last guy to give somebody a bad time on something like that. I'm the world's worst at asking a question on something I know the answer to already. Acrylic is some really neat stuff. As long as you don't get it hot enough to melt with whatever process you're doing to it is the main thing. So when you have it on a lathe if you try and polish it at speeds and pressure that works on wood you will eff up acrylic. Same with drilling. Larry has taught me a lot about this stuff. That's worked out real well for both of us because I was ale to make some tooling to make it easier and quicker for him to do handles since he was geared for pens. Off topic but I picked up a badass Craftsman drill press! It's big for a benchtop. Has a 3/4hp motor, laser centering and a digital depth gauge and Sears sells them for only $219!!!They are always on backorder but I found a guy with one that was barely used with a stand and cover for $200 (< the stand and cover were at least another $60) So if you're ever in the market for a damn good drill press on a budget that's the one. [/off_topic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 QUOTE (Zinite @ Apr 19 2009, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Olivewood properly stained is some of the most beautiful wood out there (my dad ran a wood shop out of his garage - I've seen and probably worked with 90% of all widely available craft woods)that's cool. I have not been around a lot of wood working. I made a dive knife about 20 years ago out of 440c stainless and made the handle sides from coco bolo. It turned out fantastic but no telling how many hours I put into that damn knife. What really sucks is I'm fairly sure somebody stole it because I have not seen it in 5 or more years I'm trying to avoid getting too caught up in the hands on with the wood work and keep on other projects and let Larry and the peeps that know how to do it do it. But it is a lot more fun than I expected. Watching the wood go from lame to art is very gratifying. I never felt that way about metal fabrication. I knew exactly what to expect and if I got something I did not expect it was usually not a good thing. So I find myself piddling a little more with it than I oughta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsytheowl Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 what about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 howz about this'n? Ebony and madrone burl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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