mushrat Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (click267 @ Apr 21 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had some bad dealings with Neal in the past so there is doubt that HD is done....I myself am no longer a member there.Here is one of Neal's rants from January, when I stopped in to pick up some tongs when I was going down to San Diego cause I had forgotten them...Neal freaking out...I just wanted tongsNow that's beautiful. Soemone should post liks to that on hd.and send a link to all HD advertisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I will have to watch that video in its entirety at home. Too much noise to watch at work. My repost of John's post got deleted but I am not banned....maybe I should repost again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (Stuie @ Apr 21 2009, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I will have to watch that video in its entirety at home. Too much noise to watch at work. My repost of John's post got deleted but I am not banned....maybe I should repost again?Depends on how fast you want ot GET banned. Include the link to the video while you are at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Nice work John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namenone Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 This is epic.Neal is a real douche! Wow!I dont mind competitor forums and stuff, but comeon at least know what you are doing! Dont have a criminal as an admin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natgnat Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (click267 @ Apr 21 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had some bad dealings with Neal in the past so there is doubt that HD is done....I myself am no longer a member there.Here is one of Neal's rants from January, when I stopped in to pick up some tongs when I was going down to San Diego cause I had forgotten them...Neal freaking out...I just wanted tongsThat video...wow. I have an account on HD just so I can tune in and watch it deteriorate. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coplinb Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Crazy video, but can I ask why he was freaking out so much? 'We just want some tongs' classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye bye now have fun Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (click267 @ Apr 21 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had some bad dealings with Neal in the past so there is doubt that HD is done....I myself am no longer a member there.Here is one of Neal's rants from January, when I stopped in to pick up some tongs when I was going down to San Diego cause I had forgotten them...Neal freaking out...I just wanted tongshe sounds like hes retarded or maybe thats just the san diego accent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 lol why was neal wigging out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (Scoop @ Apr 21 2009, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol why was neal wigging out?because he's neal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermo Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (click267 @ Apr 21 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had some bad dealings with Neal in the past so there is doubt that HD is done....I myself am no longer a member there.Here is one of Neal's rants from January, when I stopped in to pick up some tongs when I was going down to San Diego cause I had forgotten them...Neal freaking out...I just wanted tongsAhh, the proverbial 'I just wanted a pack of gum, so I walked into my sworn enemy's shop and for some reason he got angry." I don't know who this guy is, but that video is probably not the best choice for showing the world what a douche he is. He might be the biggest jerk in the world, but that video only shows me a random shop owner being harassed by his rivals.If I walk into some shop, and the owner told me to leave, I would not stand there arguing with him. I'd turn around and walk out. If there was some big history of enmity, as appears to be the case in that video, I wouldn't walk in in the first place - certainly not on the pretense of being a 'regular paying customer wanting the cheapest thing in the store."This whole 'American hookah scene' thing is really turning me off. It's like a comic book convention in the worst way, with all the immature rivalries, and everybody and his brother trying to be some kind of 'business man.' I can't even poke my head into the shoutbox without some stranger trying to 'hook me up' with some deal like a street pimp. It seems like nobody can smoke the damn pipe without immediately trying to find some way to 'make a buck' from it, and immediately running into fights with competitors. Other 'communities' I frequent aren't this seedy. People on boat-building forums may differ in their favorite glue, but they don't all immediately start 'affiliate programs' selling the stuff. The plywood folks don't act like a rival street-gang or nightclub owner when dealing with the fiberglass folks. etc...This has been bugging me since gettng into hookah, and this kind of thing just brings it to the surface. Why is it that hookah seems less and less like a thing you enjoy smoking, and more and more like a ground-level entrepeneurial business opportunity in a cut-throat world of trashy, low-class jerkoff young punk gangsters fighting over turf? Even the 'trade' section on this site is filled with more greed than I am used to seeing in a year elsewhere - and I picked this site because it was the one 'clearest' of all the greedy noise. Yet here it is again.Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*HOT&SMOKING* Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Wack video I must say...-H&S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moatilliatta Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 so... for those of us fairly new to the online hookah scene, what's the background story of all this drama (the short version, of course)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (moatilliatta @ Apr 21 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so... for those of us fairly new to the online hookah scene, what's the background story of all this drama (the short version, of course)?Neal is a vendor, banned on most forums, who is a seedy character. Started e-buff with members from various forums. Personally, I have nothing against him, except for the fact that when I tried to buy something expensive from him, and inquired about it, he never got back to me and I never placed an order. He had a some problems with people getting wrong orders, nothing shipped on time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinite Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (Thermo @ Apr 21 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (click267 @ Apr 21 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had some bad dealings with Neal in the past so there is doubt that HD is done....I myself am no longer a member there.Here is one of Neal's rants from January, when I stopped in to pick up some tongs when I was going down to San Diego cause I had forgotten them...Neal freaking out...I just wanted tongsAhh, the proverbial 'I just wanted a pack of gum, so I walked into my sworn enemy's shop and for some reason he got angry." I don't know who this guy is, but that video is probably not the best choice for showing the world what a douche he is. He might be the biggest jerk in the world, but that video only shows me a random shop owner being harassed by his rivals.If I walk into some shop, and the owner told me to leave, I would not stand there arguing with him. I'd turn around and walk out. If there was some big history of enmity, as appears to be the case in that video, I wouldn't walk in in the first place - certainly not on the pretense of being a 'regular paying customer wanting the cheapest thing in the store."This whole 'American hookah scene' thing is really turning me off. It's like a comic book convention in the worst way, with all the immature rivalries, and everybody and his brother trying to be some kind of 'business man.' I can't even poke my head into the shoutbox without some stranger trying to 'hook me up' with some deal like a street pimp. It seems like nobody can smoke the damn pipe without immediately trying to find some way to 'make a buck' from it, and immediately running into fights with competitors. Other 'communities' I frequent aren't this seedy. People on boat-building forums may differ in their favorite glue, but they don't all immediately start 'affiliate programs' selling the stuff. The plywood folks don't act like a rival street-gang or nightclub owner when dealing with the fiberglass folks. etc...This has been bugging me since gettng into hookah, and this kind of thing just brings it to the surface. Why is it that hookah seems less and less like a thing you enjoy smoking, and more and more like a ground-level entrepeneurial business opportunity in a cut-throat world of trashy, low-class jerkoff young punk gangsters fighting over turf? Even the 'trade' section on this site is filled with more greed than I am used to seeing in a year elsewhere - and I picked this site because it was the one 'clearest' of all the greedy noise. Yet here it is again.Ugh.What are you talking about? I've been here for almost a year now, and there have been no disturbances aside from ones started by this one person, Neal. Greed in the trade section? Let me assure you, greed is not limited to hookah users. For every greedy person trying to rip you off on this forum, there are 10 people who would send you a free hookah if you broke yours. I'm not going to hunt it down for you, but a few months ago someone posted that his hookah was stolen from his car, and 15 people offered to send him theirs. Ended up it was just a misunderstanding, but nonetheless, my point stands.People are upset at Neal and HD because they are out of money. A lot of people put up money for Mini Phunnels, and I have not heard anything about Jake shipping them out. He has, on multiple occasions, collected hookahs and shisha from vendors by saying he was going to raffle them off, and then kept him for himself. If you want to point fingers and call people greedy, start over there. Every single person who I have seen on this forum (the ones that stay longer than a few weeks at least) is a kind, caring individual. And the final counterpoint to your greed comment: Can you even name the hookah company that opperates this forum? I wasn't aware of it until recently. If this forum was truly a bastion of greed like you would suggest, you would see "BROUGHT TO YOU BY HOOKAHKINGS.COM" written in every banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 posted the link on HD....i will most likely be banned in 3...2...1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalowlow Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (Thermo @ Apr 21 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (click267 @ Apr 21 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had some bad dealings with Neal in the past so there is doubt that HD is done....I myself am no longer a member there.Here is one of Neal's rants from January, when I stopped in to pick up some tongs when I was going down to San Diego cause I had forgotten them...Neal freaking out...I just wanted tongsAhh, the proverbial 'I just wanted a pack of gum, so I walked into my sworn enemy's shop and for some reason he got angry." I don't know who this guy is, but that video is probably not the best choice for showing the world what a douche he is. He might be the biggest jerk in the world, but that video only shows me a random shop owner being harassed by his rivals.If I walk into some shop, and the owner told me to leave, I would not stand there arguing with him. I'd turn around and walk out. If there was some big history of enmity, as appears to be the case in that video, I wouldn't walk in in the first place - certainly not on the pretense of being a 'regular paying customer wanting the cheapest thing in the store."Exactly. I don't see how the video proves anyone's point other than the point that vendors selling the same thing don't get along too well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpw36 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 well just posted this little diddyi am with john i am retiring from this community as all i have gotten from here is a hard time for voicing my personal opinion, and told not to say it out loud and to put it in a personal messages, why is there something you are trying to hide from your members and don't want them looking deeper into? enjoy your overzealous and fishy mods and yes i realize this will be my last post because i know two seconds after this is posted i will be banned and this will be deleted but eh i don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryno Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (Stuie @ Apr 21 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...hookah drama... better than cable...I wish I ran a video capture on the meltdown with BJ .... one of my greatest "hookah drama" memories!http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=22284Is that what you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (ryno @ Apr 21 2009, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Stuie @ Apr 21 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...hookah drama... better than cable...I wish I ran a video capture on the meltdown with BJ .... one of my greatest "hookah drama" memories!http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=22284Is that what you are referring to?yes it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE You are BANNED from HookahDomain!Sucks to be you, Stuie, you have been banned from HookahDomain. If you think you've been banned in error (it probably wasn't), you can contact us.Note: Many times, membership restrictions (including bans) are temporary and may be reversed within 90 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbb123 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I have not viewed the video yet but I will when I get home. I made an order with neal a few weeks before he was banned. It's the age of the Internet, which can be very good or very bad for venders. A local shop can open an online store and suddenly have customers all over the world. But if you piss off one customer they can go online and write a negitive review. Perspective buyers read the reviews, and suddenly you are loosing sales. I have not viewed the video but I can assume what it will be. I don't know how any one could yell at a customer. I've worked retail for 4 years and there has been many times that I've wanted too. But you don't because now expecally with the Internet, one bad review can cost you a ton of sales. You have to be a respectable seller. Neal has shot himself in the foot. Posted from my phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_D Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 i allways said Jake was out to make a shit load of cash out of HDi hate being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpw36 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 so just checked all my recent posts have been deleted yet no ban following man he is a controlling freak he also just posted this "Now as for HJ getting his post deleted and his ass removed.First off his post was calling everyone on HD my bitch and Jake my bitch. I am sorry but I was married and got rid of her also. I have no Bitches. HJ is just mad because he wanted to buy HD and was turned down. He is also mad at HC and said Eric at Tangiers is George at Hookah companies bitch also. Not sure where he learned such an American phrase from but he is using it well.I will let you know this I would have addressed his post. A mod deleted the post. I was lucky enough to get to read it in an email sent to me. It was gone before I could respond to it.Why did I personally ban (Yea I did it) Hookah John?Because he was asked to remove the name Chronic Hookah from his user id. I flat banned the guy with the name "Chronic". I want to be as fair as I can possilby be to everyone Vendors and members alike. They are what makes HD the great place it is. On the other hand come on gave him 24 hours. But waited over 3 days for a change all he had to do was change his user id to his new site name. Yea the same user id he uses out of respect for the other 3 forums he hangs out on. I see what he did as just a way to show defiance. Sad if you ask me. But then again I am not in his head. maybe he was just being lazy." all said by neal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 QUOTE (Zinite @ Apr 21 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Thermo @ Apr 21 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (click267 @ Apr 21 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've had some bad dealings with Neal in the past so there is doubt that HD is done....I myself am no longer a member there.Here is one of Neal's rants from January, when I stopped in to pick up some tongs when I was going down to San Diego cause I had forgotten them...Neal freaking out...I just wanted tongsAhh, the proverbial 'I just wanted a pack of gum, so I walked into my sworn enemy's shop and for some reason he got angry." I don't know who this guy is, but that video is probably not the best choice for showing the world what a douche he is. He might be the biggest jerk in the world, but that video only shows me a random shop owner being harassed by his rivals.If I walk into some shop, and the owner told me to leave, I would not stand there arguing with him. I'd turn around and walk out. If there was some big history of enmity, as appears to be the case in that video, I wouldn't walk in in the first place - certainly not on the pretense of being a 'regular paying customer wanting the cheapest thing in the store."This whole 'American hookah scene' thing is really turning me off. It's like a comic book convention in the worst way, with all the immature rivalries, and everybody and his brother trying to be some kind of 'business man.' I can't even poke my head into the shoutbox without some stranger trying to 'hook me up' with some deal like a street pimp. It seems like nobody can smoke the damn pipe without immediately trying to find some way to 'make a buck' from it, and immediately running into fights with competitors. Other 'communities' I frequent aren't this seedy. People on boat-building forums may differ in their favorite glue, but they don't all immediately start 'affiliate programs' selling the stuff. The plywood folks don't act like a rival street-gang or nightclub owner when dealing with the fiberglass folks. etc...This has been bugging me since gettng into hookah, and this kind of thing just brings it to the surface. Why is it that hookah seems less and less like a thing you enjoy smoking, and more and more like a ground-level entrepeneurial business opportunity in a cut-throat world of trashy, low-class jerkoff young punk gangsters fighting over turf? Even the 'trade' section on this site is filled with more greed than I am used to seeing in a year elsewhere - and I picked this site because it was the one 'clearest' of all the greedy noise. Yet here it is again.Ugh.What are you talking about? I've been here for almost a year now, and there have been no disturbances aside from ones started by this one person, Neal. Greed in the trade section? Let me assure you, greed is not limited to hookah users. For every greedy person trying to rip you off on this forum, there are 10 people who would send you a free hookah if you broke yours. I'm not going to hunt it down for you, but a few months ago someone posted that his hookah was stolen from his car, and 15 people offered to send him theirs. Ended up it was just a misunderstanding, but nonetheless, my point stands.People are upset at Neal and HD because they are out of money. A lot of people put up money for Mini Phunnels, and I have not heard anything about Jake shipping them out. He has, on multiple occasions, collected hookahs and shisha from vendors by saying he was going to raffle them off, and then kept him for himself. If you want to point fingers and call people greedy, start over there. Every single person who I have seen on this forum (the ones that stay longer than a few weeks at least) is a kind, caring individual. And the final counterpoint to your greed comment: Can you even name the hookah company that opperates this forum? I wasn't aware of it until recently. If this forum was truly a bastion of greed like you would suggest, you would see "BROUGHT TO YOU BY HOOKAHKINGS.COM" written in every banner.High 5!However, why are we even going here with Neal? It's much more effective to simply walk away from Toxic people.'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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