Not Used To This New Hookah..whats Up With It!

[FamiliarJoe]

So I made that thread about my MYA QT base breaking, and my friend gave me his MYA Obelisk.

I smoked 1 bowl last night in my Small phunnel with 2 and 1/2 golden QL's, taking the wind cover on and off trying to get the heat just right (this is the amount I usually use )

Maybe I just forgot how to get clouds right or something, but how many golden QL's would you all recommend on a small phunnel?

- I am smoking a variety of AF , it's all I have available at the moment.
- Water is 1 inch over the down stem of the hookah . Where it always is
- Regular foil shiny side down, regular hole formation with my thumb tac. 3 rings from the outside to the inside. None in the middle.
- I am PACKING the shisha in there, not to much but a decent amount . Only 1 mm is between the foil and the shisha, under the lip of the bowl.




Tell me your thoughts, I want my clouds back!! Edited May 5, 2009 by FamiliarJoe

[Sherwood]

So I made that thread about my MYA QT base breaking, and my friend gave me his MYA Obelisk.

I smoked 1 bowl last night in my Small phunnel with 2 and 1/2 golden QL's, taking the wind cover on and off trying to get the heat just right (this is the amount I usually use )

Maybe I just forgot how to get clouds right or something, but how many golden QL's would you all recommend on a small phunnel?

- I am smoking a variety of AF , it's all I have available at the moment.
- Water is 1 inch over the down stem of the hookah . Where it always is
- Regular foil shiny side down, regular hole formation with my thumb tac. 3 rings from the outside to the inside. None in the middle.
- I am PACKING the shisha in there, not to much but a decent amount . Only 1 mm is between the foil and the shisha, under the lip of the bowl.




Tell me your thoughts, I want my clouds back!!

Did anything in your setup change besides the pipe? Different hose, different bowl, different shisha, etc? If we're going to invite science to this party, we need to straighten out all the variables first.

[FamiliarJoe]

So I made that thread about my MYA QT base breaking, and my friend gave me his MYA Obelisk.

I smoked 1 bowl last night in my Small phunnel with 2 and 1/2 golden QL's, taking the wind cover on and off trying to get the heat just right (this is the amount I usually use )

Maybe I just forgot how to get clouds right or something, but how many golden QL's would you all recommend on a small phunnel?

- I am smoking a variety of AF , it's all I have available at the moment.
- Water is 1 inch over the down stem of the hookah . Where it always is
- Regular foil shiny side down, regular hole formation with my thumb tac. 3 rings from the outside to the inside. None in the middle.
- I am PACKING the shisha in there, not to much but a decent amount . Only 1 mm is between the foil and the shisha, under the lip of the bowl.




Tell me your thoughts, I want my clouds back!!

Did anything in your setup change besides the pipe? Different hose, different bowl, different shisha, etc? If we're going to invite science to this party, we need to straighten out all the variables first.

Well to be honest the only thing that changed was the Hookah, but im inviting you all to give me your opinion on what you usually do if you were to smoke AF in a small Tangiers phunnel and all you had were Golden QL's

I have been smoking ALOT of Golden Layalina with natural coals. I guess it's been a while since ive used this shisha or coals. I don't remember what I did to make it work so well :|

ANY opinions are helpful to me.

[chromecarz00]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

[norcalsmoker]

I think you should poke a few holes in the center of the foil. Seems to me you dont have enough air flow especially because in a phunnel your pulling air through the center hole of the phunnel. If there isn't any holes above the phunnel hole opening it would be hard to draw the heat from the coals through the shisha. Just my opinion. Edited May 5, 2009 by norcalsmoker

[mushrat]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

[chromecarz00]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

Do you use a mod?
Whenever I pack without a mod or with it fails...

[Sherwood]

I think you should poke a few holes in the center of the foil. Seems to me you dont have enough air flow especially because in a phunnel your pulling air through the center hole of the phunnel. If there isn't any holes above the phunnel hole opening it would be hard to draw the heat from the coals through the shisha. Just my opinion.

I never put holes in the middle, and it always smokes well. I can't recommend that.

[FamiliarJoe]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

Well it is a 4 hose hookah, and im using 1 hose by myself :| Maybe if I try to plug each ball bearing up 100% it may help? I honestly think it couldn't be the ball bearings letting air in, it just doesn't make sense to me. I may have to inspect this baby from top to bottom for small leaks. Is there a better way of going about this besides just looking ? (submerging in water, etc)

[mushrat]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

Do you use a mod?
Whenever I pack without a mod or with it fails...

you only need a mod if you are underpacking the phunnel. Thats what they were originally used for. I dont use a mod, i put a cluster of hole sin the center, and I do it for a living..so it must work. Granted it works without as well so its more a personal choice really.

[Sherwood]

Well it is a 4 hose hookah, and im using 1 hose by myself :| Maybe if I try to plug each ball bearing up 100% it may help? I honestly think it couldn't be the ball bearings letting air in, it just doesn't make sense to me. I may have to inspect this baby from top to bottom for small leaks. Is there a better way of going about this besides just looking ? (submerging in water, etc)

This is a likely candidate. if any of those other 3 ports are leaking, it'll kill your clouds. I'd try putting some electrical tape over those empty ports, and see if that doesn't help. Or submerge it. Works too.

[chromecarz00]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

Do you use a mod?
Whenever I pack without a mod or with it fails...

you only need a mod if you are underpacking the phunnel. Thats what they were originally used for. I dont use a mod, i put a cluster of hole sin the center, and I do it for a living..so it must work. Granted it works without as well so its more a personal choice really.

Hmm well I always use a mod and it always works...personal choice is what I'm going with.

[ilikemyusername]

personally, i'd do 2 ql's brolen in half, 4 pieces around the bowl, if its a leak, just set it up as you would take the bowl off, put your hand over the top and suck in, if theres no vacuum, theres a leak.
good luck, and never trust a free hookah until you check it out thoroughly.

[FamiliarJoe]

personally, i'd do 2 ql's brolen in half, 4 pieces around the bowl, if its a leak, just set it up as you would take the bowl off, put your hand over the top and suck in, if theres no vacuum, theres a leak.
good luck, and never trust a free hookah until you check it out thoroughly.

Sounds like some solid advice sir.

[evilded777]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

That's what I always figured. But then I pack my regular bowls pretty tight, too.

It does sound like it could be a leak, to me. When I got my latest pipe, that was my problem (broken grommet, which I don't think could apply in your case, dunno about how the Obelisk goes together).

[FamiliarJoe]

FIGURED IT OUT (maybe?)

One of the 4 hose adapter holes is leaking in air, unless I plug it with my finger. I guess it's time to break out the clay and turn this thing into a 3 hose !

owell, it was free !

[mattarios2]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

I agree with mush. I have been smoking my nakhla/fusion out of my mini lately, and just stuff the shit out of the phunnel and it smokes like a true champ.

[Bookworm]

If you want the clouds NOW use your old bowl.

But you should probably learn how to pack the phunnel right also.

[FamiliarJoe]

If you want the clouds NOW use your old bowl.

But you should probably learn how to pack the phunnel right also.

well ive been using a phunnel for a few months now..and have gotten clouds until I switched to this hookah heh. Like I said above though, I found a little tiny leak, so im pretty sure that is the problem! I hope..

Now to figure out what to plug it with... !

[chromecarz00]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

I agree with mush. I have been smoking my nakhla/fusion out of my mini lately, and just stuff the shit out of the phunnel and it smokes like a true champ.

To each his own I guess. Nakhla i pack, but the rest i dont.
Maybe its a washed/unwashed thing...

[gruver]

If you want the clouds NOW use your old bowl.

But you should probably learn how to pack the phunnel right also.

well ive been using a phunnel for a few months now..and have gotten clouds until I switched to this hookah heh. Like I said above though, I found a little tiny leak, so im pretty sure that is the problem! I hope..

Now to figure out what to plug it with... !

How about you just use that hose port for your hose, and see if the other one (the one that you've been using) seals properly. That way you don't have to ruin the port.

[mushrat]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

I agree with mush. I have been smoking my nakhla/fusion out of my mini lately, and just stuff the shit out of the phunnel and it smokes like a true champ.

To each his own I guess. Nakhla i pack, but the rest i dont.
Maybe its a washed/unwashed thing...

Nope.

[mushrat]

If you want the clouds NOW use your old bowl.

But you should probably learn how to pack the phunnel right also.

well ive been using a phunnel for a few months now..and have gotten clouds until I switched to this hookah heh. Like I said above though, I found a little tiny leak, so im pretty sure that is the problem! I hope..

Now to figure out what to plug it with... !

Temp plug: chewing gum or poster putty. Perminant plug: qwik steel or a clear metal glue.

[chromecarz00]

Dont PACK, SPRINKLE.
It should be loose if its af, the only shisha you should pack is tang and somewhat nakhla.
Heat management is in the bowl not the hookah.

I disagree. Sprinkleing in a Phunnel is useless. there us no real air flow THROUGH the tobacco as such. I ALWAYS pack my phunnel full no matter what the brand.

Sounds like a leak in the new hookah? Everythign tight? ball in place, etc?

I agree with mush. I have been smoking my nakhla/fusion out of my mini lately, and just stuff the shit out of the phunnel and it smokes like a true champ.

To each his own I guess. Nakhla i pack, but the rest i dont.
Maybe its a washed/unwashed thing...

Nope.

Ass.

[hartwell778]

Instead of plugging the leaky hose port, you could try putting the purge valve from your broken qt. I think all the mya parts are interchangable but I could be wrong