Lime Wire Trap!

[bainard]

With him being a firefighter I'm amazed that the IAFF isn't jumping in on this. I gather by the article that he is a career firefighter\paramedic so they should have his back on a lot of this. Has he contacted his union rep?

[Sapphire]

Not sure about the union rep. I will have to ask.

[Mndgame]

I'm sort of confused so he did download them, but some thumbnail comes up asking if you want to complete the download? When I used limewire (long ago) this never happened to me, downloads simply finished there is no authorization to finish the download, that would get annoying. I no longer have/want/ever want limewire again, but someone should queue some downloads to see if it asks if you'd like to finish? Never seen that on any file sharing software...

programs update, I know what he is refering to. You should look up the newer versions of limewire, rather than the version you used "long ago".

I'm aware that programs update and simply had a question. I would look up the newer version(s) of limewire, however I would rather not download a program that is notorious for adware/viruses etc... so I figured asking somebody to verify was a logical way to figure out the answer to my question. Since it must be important for whatever reason "long ago" = approx 5 years ago.


Anyways, best of luck to your brother and hopefully he gets legally cleared and his reputation repaired!

[Sonthert]

We burn witches. Unless they weigh the same as a duck and then maybe still... (Holy Grail Reference)

What sucks is he has to front the money to defend himself against unfounded charges. I'll echo Rani here, though maybe his involvement is different than what he's telling you. Maybe he accidentally clicked one 'yes' for instance. It still doesn't mean he's guilty, but maybe it makes the Fed's case seem a little more reasonable...if you see what I'm saying. Maybe the government isn't really an Ogre, maybe there was an innocent mistake they're pounding him for,doesn't make what they're doing right, but more understandable. If we want to approach other people with understanding and tolerance, we have to approach the government with the same attitude. Maybe its an innocent mistake on their part, too.

On the other hand, after hearing cases of people in prison and on death row for committing crimes they couldn't have possibly committed, I'm not so sure. I'm just a skeptic.

[mustang_steve]

My take is when one makes an accusation, they need concerete proof, or they themselves should be judged harshly for any harm they may have caused for their accusations.

However, the latter part never happens and the accuser just walks away to use their finger as a weapon once again. That's the part that irks me....when one can do that, they will accuse prior to having the facts, hoping they get the facts later....this is NOT how our justice system is supposed to work, however has sadly bceame the standard operating procedure.

[Vladimir]

My take is when one makes an accusation, they need concerete proof, or they themselves should be judged harshly for any harm they may have caused for their accusations.

However, the latter part never happens and the accuser just walks away to use their finger as a weapon once again. That's the part that irks me....when one can do that, they will accuse prior to having the facts, hoping they get the facts later....this is NOT how our justice system is supposed to work, however has sadly bceame the standard operating procedure.

Not quite, many a DA has had their career wrecked by inappropriate use of their power. This is one of their cases where you think it doesn't work great, but you look at other systems and realize its unfortunately as good as it gets (and remain fair/free/equitable). Sure it would be nice if a Governor could destroy that individuals career, until you realize he could do it to people who DON'T deserve it. At least we hold the power to do it.

[TheScotsman]

My take is when one makes an accusation, they need concerete proof, or they themselves should be judged harshly for any harm they may have caused for their accusations.

However, the latter part never happens and the accuser just walks away to use their finger as a weapon once again. That's the part that irks me....when one can do that, they will accuse prior to having the facts, hoping they get the facts later....this is NOT how our justice system is supposed to work, however has sadly bceame the standard operating procedure.

Not quite, many a DA has had their career wrecked by inappropriate use of their power. This is one of their cases where you think it doesn't work great, but you look at other systems and realize its unfortunately as good as it gets (and remain fair/free/equitable). Sure it would be nice if a Governor could destroy that individuals career, until you realize he could do it to people who DON'T deserve it. At least we hold the power to do it.

And many more have put people they know were innocent in jail for crimes they know they have exculpatory evidence for... You point to a DA, and DA, and I will show you a DA that has convicted someone they know was not guilty. (and the one biggest reason I think the death penalty and mandatory sentence guidelines are totally insane)

In the current anti-male environment the court system is operating within it is a feather in the hat of any DA to burn someone with whatever CP or DV they can manufacture. They are looking to create enough cost/problems that the victim (the poor guy arrested) has to plea to something in hopes of a deal. The system will throw 100's of thousands of dollars/manhours at winning, he gets into a place he just can't do anything but hope for the best.

Horseshit system

(She turned me into a NEWT!) <--<< Continuing Sonthert's Monty Python ref.

[Sonthert]

Steve, I don't disagree with you. It is the philosophy of the American system of justice to be able to make charges, without a great deal of proof, assume the person to be innocent and have a fair trial, with the preponderance being the person is innocent until proved otherwise. In France, as an example, the opposite is true. A prosecutor would have to amass a sizable case and have witnesses who swore an oath before ever bringing the case to trial. In that manner, the accused stands as being believed to be guilty and they have to prove that they are indeed innocent. The American system lends itself to vendetta prosecutions and "Too poor to afford an attorney" convicts.

[judgeposer]

Steve, I don't disagree with you. It is the philosophy of the American system of justice to be able to make charges, without a great deal of proof, assume the person to be innocent and have a fair trial, with the preponderance being the person is innocent until proved otherwise. In France, as an example, the opposite is true. A prosecutor would have to amass a sizable case and have witnesses who swore an oath before ever bringing the case to trial. In that manner, the accused stands as being believed to be guilty and they have to prove that they are indeed innocent. The American system lends itself to vendetta prosecutions and "Too poor to afford an attorney" convicts.

In order to bring criminal charges against a person, as in an indictment, a prosecutor must only show probable cause that a crime was committed, and by some person. An investigation ensues (larger and more unearthing one than what first gave rise to the charges) and over its course, and subsequent trial, the charged is, as Eric says, "innocent until proven guilty." At trial, the prosecutor (i.e. the government, as in the "people of the state of 'X'," or "the people of the United States," in federal matters) has the burden of proving guilt to the legal standard "beyond a reasonable doubt."

The process of obtaining an indictment varies by jurisdiction, but whether the jurisdiction has a grand jury system, or has judge-overseen probable cause hearings, or accepts "by information" offered by prosecutors, the standard is the same: probable cause, which means the reasonable belief that a person committed a crime.

The reality is, it is quite easy to obtain an indictment, as the popular legal truism goes "a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich," but even with this ease, most prosecutors still don't indict without first believing that they can carry the inevitable burden of trial. After all, other laws, tremendous costs, public accountability, public relations, and personal reputations place significant limitations or checks on sham indictments. That is not saying, however, that all indictments materialize into guilty verdicts, or even worthy investigations, as we know they don't.

[Sonthert]

Which is interesting, because people assume, as I used to, that the "Guilty until Proven Innocent" system is somehow flawed and more stringent than the "Innocent until Proven Guilty" scenario but there are fewer trials in the guilty until proven innocent, because of the more rigorous tests involved in handing down an indictment. So, there are more trials of innocent people in the United States than in a Guilty until Proven Innocent System. This is why Brandy's brother is on the stake...they want to bring charges...they think they can get the evidence to convict him. In a guilty until proven innocent system, they would have to do that prior to getting an indictment.

[Sapphire]

UPDATE:

Ok his first day at court was today. Looks like the case is going to get thrown out and he will be getting his job back, however... His church and other people in his neighborhood still reguard him with distain for the " possability " that something in it could be true.
It makes me SICK.


But hey... great outcome so we are happy.

[Stuie]

UPDATE:

Ok his first day at court was today. Looks like the case is going to get thrown out and he will be getting his job back, however... His church and other people in his neighborhood still reguard him with distain for the " possability " that something in it could be true.
It makes me SICK.


But hey... great outcome so we are happy.

Well Congrats!

That's just people, ignore them, they usually don't know the whole story or your brother. Usually something like this will blow over before you know it. Or at least I hope so.

[RingsMaster]

well that is good to hear, i hope everything like his job and computer are returned to him and he gets back what he deserves, maybe a mistake in the system or maybe just the government trying to make themselves look like the good guy for getting this "predator". (not calling your bro a predator lol) anywho i hope everything works out for him best of wishes to him

[archanox]

This is exact thing is happening to a close friend of mine right now. He was downloading normal porn, there were mislabeled child porn files in with it and he immediately deleted them. Low and behold here come the FBI. He's under house arrest right now and the trial is starting soon. Unfortunately, he is not someone with a lot of money and he has to rely on a public defender. I'm worried about this, I'm pretty sure it would get thrown out if he could afford a decent lawyer but with a public defender he could end up going to jail for something he didn't do.

This sickens me. How in the world is this -not- entrapment? You don't have a clue what anything actually is until you download it to your computer. Especially if the files were mislabeled. So basically I'm to understand that the government can force you to unknowingly do something illegal and then put you in jail for it?

[Scalliwag]

guys will be guys and hell girls like some.... well, I won't go there (but they know I know ) but the guy needs to hit sites like red tube or something where there's previews. Now I ain't never seen anything like that nor am I suggesting checking into that but that's the word on the streets guys (and you-know-who's)
Clicking by filenames and dl'ing shit blindly I think everybody would agree is not a very good idea.

[Johnny_D]

guys will be guys and hell girls like some.... well, I won't go there (but they know I know ) but the guy needs to hit sites like red tube or something where there's previews. Now I ain't never seen anything like that nor am I suggesting checking into that but that's the word on the streets guys (and you-know-who's)
Clicking by filenames and dl'ing shit blindly I think everybody would agree is not a very good idea.

glad i'm not the only one who thinks this.

Why the heck does anyone need to download it?! Shirly you only want it for a few minutes at a time anyways?

[obey]

people still use limewire?

[McLovin600]

people still use limewire?

+1 I had to throw out a computer because of that shiet

[Scalliwag]

guys will be guys and hell girls like some.... well, I won't go there (but they know I know ) but the guy needs to hit sites like red tube or something where there's previews. Now I ain't never seen anything like that nor am I suggesting checking into that but that's the word on the streets guys (and you-know-who's)
Clicking by filenames and dl'ing shit blindly I think everybody would agree is not a very good idea.

glad i'm not the only one who thinks this.

Why the heck does anyone need to download it?! Shirly you only want it for a few minutes at a time anyways?

I think most folks "know" that but just won't say it. Those who don't know needed that advice. Hopefully that link which I didn't really link may keep some folks out of the trouble this kid got in.
I'm not a profiler but my guess is that most pedophiles would have hardly any regular porn. I just doubt their geared that way. I would think a few hit and miss files downloaded with kid shit should make a prosecutor think about that before they pursued someone and tried to ruin their life.
It may be that the prosecutor is a religious nut like so many in Salt Lake and did not give a shit what the real reason is. To be honest I did not read the whole thread or link but I saw enough to get the jest of what happened and I understood how easy that could happen.

people still use limewire?

Shit, I remember when limewire was the shit. Most of you probably aren't old enough to remember BBS's? When I first started playing with computers and still welded for a living I cut my teeth on BBS's and then got on the internet. Everything was blind in those days. File names were sometimes far from what their name and desciptions implied.
There is no reason I can think of this day and age to be dickin around on livewire.

Then again you always find a better way after a disaster. I'll never cut another piece of wood on a tablesaw the way I did the last time. Sometimes you don't even know you're lucky until your luck runs out

[russianwizard]

sucks majorly man. Limewire is complete shit tho, just download quality torrents and stay away from the gnutella network.

[Codename067]

Good update man..I'm glad things are falling in a better line than before..that could've gone a whole different direction with a different lawyer, so definitely a + to have a great lawyer.

[Zooyork15]

Ouch man, good luck.

[Zoe Onyx]

Just to let you guys know I work for an anti-piracy company. Be careful what you download from sites and if you have the downloader edonkey, you may accidentally download kiddie porn even though the title states it's Wall-E for instance. I'm just giving people a heads up.

[newjacksm]

Just to let you guys know I work for an anti-piracy company. Be careful what you download from sites and if you have the downloader edonkey, you may accidentally download kiddie porn even though the title states it's Wall-E for instance. I'm just giving people a heads up.

I have to ask this question. Although you work for this company, do you still download music?

[cgore]

www.Utorrent.com's program "Utorrent" and www.isohunt.com ftw