Question For Eric And Others That Make Thier Own.

[ilikemyusername]

I don't like that my Nakhla vanilla tastes like.... play doh.
Maybe not so much play doh, but certainly not much like vanilla. My question is, if i go to the grocery store and pick up some natural vanilla extract or vanilla beans and add it to my nakhla, will it make it taste more like vanilla or does it have a low burn temperature?
also, will it make it taste like vanilla when its heated, or will it taste like something else?
thanks.

[r1v3th3ad]

I'd say blend it into a mix with honey and glycerin

[TheShishaDoctor]

Even adding some vanilla extract to the base should make the flavor a bit better. Try that first.

[mattarios2]

check out michaels ... exactly where they have the glycerin ... they have vanilla extract that is in the consistency of glycerin. I think it is used to make vanilla frosting. 1.99 a bottle or something like that.

[ilikemyusername]

I could try that, but I think the natural vanilla bean flavor is amazing (for vanilla)

[Sonthert]

It should be OK. I wouldn't use it for making mass-produced tobacco, but its OK

[ilikemyusername]

It should be OK. I wouldn't use it for making mass-produced tobacco, but its OK

would methyl vanillin or 4-hydroxy-3-methoxybenzaldehyde be better?

[Sonthert]

Www.wikipedia.org?

No those are the same chemicals, or ones like them in vanilla flavor. Thats not the point.

A bad analogy: Have you ever seen a tub of squeezable butter and compared it to actual butter? Different. However the components inside are virtually the same. There are two considerations in manufactured flavorings, 1. The accentuation of certain chemicals over others. 2 The solvent system that gets the chemicals to "spread" or get into a liquid form. The only thing I'm questioning is #2. #1 may be wrong too, but its not a perfect science, is it?

In terms of #1, take orange paint. You might opt to use 50% red, 50% yellow and that might be fine at the paint store, but in the harshness of your apartment, it may be the wrong mixture, you might need more red or yellow for the specific application. Same thing's true for flavoring, too. If you see what I'm saying.

[ilikemyusername]

I see what you're saying, I think what i'm going to try is to take a couple of vanilla bean pods, split them, add it to glycerine and add a bit of that mix to a bowl. say 4 drops worth.
measuring the bowl to be 25 grams worth of nakhla, if its perfect i can say "40 drops of my vanilla agent to a 250g box"
it may be too much, or it may not be enough, but even a minute ammount would make a difference provided the glycerine/vanilla concentration is high enough to bring any vanilla out. The glycerine itself could very well overpower my vanilla flavor. although with 1 bean per ounce of glyc. I don't see that being the case.
typically i would say that I could just heat the mixture and that that would cause the vanilla flavor to come out and be even more pronounced, however I'll be SMOKING it....I'm getting ahead of myself. Thanks for inspiring me. I'll let you know how it turns out if you'd like.
Something tells me you've already experimented with this and know if I'm heading down a road that leads to success, failure or disaster, but experience is the greatest teacher of all.
however necessity is the mother of invention, and i NEED my shisha to taste like vanilla.


sorry for the rant, somthing must have gotten into me.
i had a dream that i bought a lava lamp.

[thejoshman]

so basically, using erics advice, use orange paint, that will make your bland tobacco taste 1000% better.

[r1v3th3ad]

so basically, using erics advice, use orange paint, that will make your bland tobacco taste 1000% better.

agreed

[ilikemyusername]

so basically, using erics advice, use orange paint, that will make your bland tobacco taste 1000% better.

so basically, using erics advice, use orange paint, that will make your bland tobacco taste 1000% better.

agreed

both suck at analogies.

[Sonthert]

Hmmm?

Consistency is the problem, if you're going down that road, I'd use the vanilla extract. The consistency of the product will be better. One pod may be very different than another one. Mixing hundreds of them together make the whole thing more consistent.

[ilikemyusername]

i can see clearly now the rain is gone. Thank you eric. I'm not too concerned about consistency and I'm not sure about extract, because of the ammount of liquid involved. I could boil it down, but in the end it's still going to be non- smokeable liquid with vanilla.
I see why you wouldn't use vanillabeans in a commercial product, too many variables, like where the orchid was grown, ... well lets just say i grow orchids and understand that a buddy of mine and myself can have clones and we'll have 2 very different plants(mostly because his will be dead) thanks.

[SmokinMoose]

I wish i could get my hands on some tobacco leaves to try making my own moasell again. Edited May 21, 2009 by SmokinMoose

[Scoop]

i can see clearly now the rain is gone. Thank you eric. I'm not too concerned about consistency and I'm not sure about extract, because of the ammount of liquid involved. I could boil it down, but in the end it's still going to be non- smokeable liquid with vanilla.
I see why you wouldn't use vanillabeans in a commercial product, too many variables, like where the orchid was grown, ... well lets just say i grow orchids and understand that a buddy of mine and myself can have clones and we'll have 2 very different plants(mostly because his will be dead) thanks.

also, vanilla beans are super expensive.