New Portable Hookah?

[johnp]

[quote name='Codename067' date='30 January 2010 - 06:15 AM' timestamp='1264850151' post='448528']
Ok buddy, you need to calm down, and here is my response:

A. I am not missing anything, trust me. I've been smoking for well over 8 years.[/quote]
good for you..


[quote name='Codename067' date='30 January 2010 - 06:15 AM' timestamp='1264850151' post='448528']. ...You have got to be joking. Have you heard of something called 'opinion'? Everyone has one and just because you disagree with them, does not "[b]put me in that same category of people who ask you if you are an NHT user when they see your hookah" [/b][/quote]

Fair enough with your opinion...however my issue with above comments is simply that you and others are judging this hookah based on a picture off the internet, and are making some misguided assumptions based on looks alone while not making equal inferences about other, similar products.

[quote name='Codename067' date='30 January 2010 - 06:15 AM' timestamp='1264850151' post='448528']. Lmao, wow man, now it seems as if you have something personal against me. Lay off the pipe kid, I will smoke whatever it is that I want to smoke, you go ahead and smoke whatever it is you want to smoke. You want to burn your ass carrying that thing looking like a complete tool in down town? FEEL FREE! I will not hold you back. I will laugh at you but I won't tell you its the wrong thing to do.

Ok, I am just going to stop, you either need some sleep or perhaps I did something to you in the past to get such a worked up reaction over what I said, which STILL remains an opinion.

What ever it may be, you need to realx and maybe get a message with a happy ending.[/quote]
Well...for starters yours wasn't the post that chapped my ass, and apologies if you took the brunt of my tirade....although you were just one of many mocking the hookah (and or me for owning one) without having even seen one in person.
Next, you won't burn your ass on the thing. Simply won't happen, everything is doubly contained. If people here want to look down their noses at me for daring to smoke anything less than a KM or something made in Egypt or Syria (as are some of my older ones) then they can suit themselves. I was not the one who started out mocking someone elses' choice....others did that.

I simply defended the hookah, having actually [i]tried[/i] one, and pointed out the ridiculousness of judging it simply on looks. Unless you don't cringe every time someone refers to your hookah as an NHT device, it is exactly the same mentality I was pointing out. Judging something without knowing.
Live and let live man.
For a recreational activity that often ends up with many friends around, the commentary in this thread set a very snobbish "your hookah isn't good enough" tone, even to suggest "flicking my coal...get a KM noob". Which is not the relaxed all inclusive tone I'm used to around hookahs and is in my opinion a step in the wrong direction. If people have tried something and it sucks--then please say so. I have tried this hookah (and some of the more valued hookahs on this forum) and it doesn't suck. Especially when compared to other hookahs better received on these forums which I do feel, well, suck.
[quote name='Codename067' date='30 January 2010 - 06:15 AM' timestamp='1264850151' post='448528']: Remember one VERY important thing: You are new on the forums, and you don't know me. My standards are extremely high when it comes down to hookahs. I have mastered every single thing about hookahs and broke them down in ways that would make your head spin. And this item is WELL below what my standards require.
[/quote] Obviously, while perhaps I'm new on the forums, you also don't know me. There is nothing wrong with high standards....partly why I joined the forums is I also have high standards, and am curious about the latest hookahs out and about. Not too many Syrians around these days...and the stuff available in Iraq these days isn't like in 2003-now they sell the cheapest stuff they can get (usually Chinese) for a big profit.
The standards applied to a regular hookah, other than durability and general quality, do not quite apply to a hookah that can be stuffed into a pack in not-so-gentle fashion and still smoke when removed from said pack...they will not compete with a full size Syrian (or Egyptian) but they are not [i]meant[/i] to. Perhaps this is below what your standards require, then again, based on your statements, it is quite easy to ascertain you don't know much about it other than looks, and dislike it perhaps because it isn't a name you trust made into a full size, stay at home hookah. Am I wrong here? I am all about learning what choosy smokers like these days, but not about people poo pooing something they don't know anything about.
Apologies for your offended sensibilities-nothing wrong with high standards so long as they are objective Edited February 1, 2010 by delSol_si
NHT

[K1024]

[quote name='johnp' date='24 January 2010 - 05:51 PM' timestamp='1264384260' post='447494']
3) Similar idea to the Leila-but about 1/3 the price, and, ummm, no plastic. Self contained. Doesn't need a wine bottle. Doesn't need a cupholder. Doesn't [i]break. Not even the bowl...[/i]since it cannot fall off.
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[quote name='johnp' date='28 January 2010 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1264741951' post='448297']
Let it be. If you have one and it's a POS...then let the world know. Otherwise...criticizing it for looking odd puts you in that same category of people who ask you if you are an NHT user when they see your hookah.
So go ahead and call this thing weird....then go buy the most modern interpretation of a hookah you can, with precision engineered seals, modern tubing, and high quality glass...so long as it's not made out of metal. Would it help if the metal hookah had a pretty pattern painted on it?
Why not go back to smoking a hookah made from a coconut, some clay, and some reeds....if you want to be a purist. It's obvious you've never tried one of these, probably haven't seen one, and therefore have no idea.
Ridiculous.



the thing works. That's good enough for me.

No portable/travel hookah looks exactly like a traditional sit-at-home hookah. A Leila, after all, has an uncanny resemblance to a big-gulp from 7-11...and yet it is well received. Likewise the witch (which unlike the similar hobohookah, is worth EXACTLY what you pay for it, the less the better IMHO) is made in the same factory as condoms and car parts, if the smell is any clue....
No such problems with the metal hookah. The coal stays on the tobacco, does not spill, the hookah is portable and smokes well.
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[quote name='johnp' date='29 January 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1264827786' post='448499']
[quote name='Amn_sinclair' date='29 January 2010 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1264743238' post='448300']
I really dont see the point of this. I mean if you really cant wait till you get home then you might have a bit of a problem... if your on a road trip then stop at a rest stop and smoke some hookah enjoy the scenery around youl. thats just my opinion.


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Oh if that were all I had to worry about. Why does anyone care if I or anyone else likes a portable, unbreakable hookah or not?
Why do people buy Leila's....don't see anyone telling THEM to stop at a rest area. So what gives. Oh I see. Is it the price? so, if I lowered the quality of this hookah and doubled the price, called it a "Leila" and claimed it fits cupholders (so long as the cupholder can also accommodate a 2QT Tea pitcher) it would then be ok?

I will say it made a trip safely that destroyed 3 less durable (yet more "traditional") hookahs.

If you can afford to buy 2 hookahs every time you take a trip for a few weeks (1 as a spare!) to a location that has no such thing around, and not be left wanting for space, then my hat's off to you.

For some of us road trips do not include rest areas, and if we take something, it had better fit into a pack with everything else.

The thing works, it doesn't break. It isn't "ridiculous" or a "POS". For those look under "Witch hookah". Which, unfortunately, I also have and can attest to.

And if you're worried about your health or mine....consider that NO hookah smoking is considered healthy; telling me I shouldn't smoke on the road (what if I am not allowed to smoke the hookah anywhere else) is like telling a diabetic not to load up on sugar except at night.
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wtf first off the leila is only $100, and h-s often does sales on it. I bought mine for $75 on xmas sale in 2008. it still works great, and has been in heavy use (at least heavy use for a hookah that i only use in my car). my leila has even survived being in a car accident at decently high speeds. also, it fit my cup holder easily and fit in a few of my friends cup holders fine too.

idk what you do to your hookahs, but ive had a mya obelisk for 2+ years. its been to both sides of america and the only thing broken about it is the vase, which i didnt even need to leave my house to find a suitable vase for it (though i guess most people dont keep 2 liter earlimeir flasks around..)

its interesting that you tell others not to judge a hookah by its looks, and then you immediately say this hookah is better than the leila (which you dont appear to claim to have smoked). the plastic in the leila is a special heat resistant type, and it wont melt at temperatures which the hookah reaches, even if you are burning the shit out of it.

[Hobocans]

Hey John,

Yea, all of the hookah forums are very opinionated. You just have to take it in stride, no use getting heated about it, because you know what they say about arguing on the internet.

The configuration is different, and I like different. There is something very special about the old school look of a traditional hookah, but I think there is a lot of innovation left in hookah smoking and I think anyone willing to come out with a product that rocks the boat, is at least doing something useful.

Glad to hear the pipe works well. I love having the ability to smoke hookah anywhere I travel to, and if this is what works for you, do it.

[johnp]

[quote name='K1024' date='01 February 2010 - 08:04 AM' timestamp='1265029498' post='448890']
wtf first off the leila is only $100, and h-s often does sales on it. I bought mine for $75 on xmas sale in 2008. it still works great, and has been in heavy use (at least heavy use for a hookah that i only use in my car). my leila has even survived being in a car accident at decently high speeds. also, it fit my cup holder easily and fit in a few of my friends cup holders fine too.[/quote]
Glad you like your Leila...I honestly have no issues with it and as you say, I've not tried it. My main issue was why the difference in how it (or those who choose to smoke one) is treated vice the portable hookah (same as in the picture) that I possess.

[quote name='K1024' date='01 February 2010 - 08:04 AM' timestamp='1265029498' post='448890'] what you do to your hookahs, but ive had a mya obelisk for 2+ years. its been to both sides of america and the only thing broken about it is the vase, which i didnt even need to leave my house to find a suitable vase for it (though i guess most people dont keep 2 liter earlimeir flasks around..)[/quote] Take a look at my gallery. I've neglected it so far, and there is only one picture there, but it should be a small hint of the places and/or conditions I sometimes travel with my hookahs. Road trips-well I don't honestly smoke and drive, although I do like in the back of my mind the ability to do so, if I wanted. Most of my (regular) hookahs were purchased from street vendors in Iraq with 3 exceptions; pretty sure most of them are Egyptian, but couldn't begin to tell you the maker-perhaps if I were to post pics someone would recognize an antiquated version of something they possess.

[quote name='K1024' date='01 February 2010 - 08:04 AM' timestamp='1265029498' post='448890'] interesting that you tell others not to judge a hookah by its looks, and then you immediately say this hookah is better than the leila (which you dont appear to claim to have smoked). the plastic in the leila is a special heat resistant type, and it wont melt at temperatures which the hookah reaches, even if you are burning the shit out of it.
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I'm not sure if this is better than the Leila or not (?) as you are correct, I've not tried one. If I've somewhere stated this one is better, then that was not my intent. I do believe they accomplish the same job, with my hookah being a bit more affordable...I just fail to see why one (odd-looking) hookah for travel should get poo pooed, (mine) and another not, perhaps in both instances by people who haven't actually tried one.

I did consider a Leila at one point, but as you may ascertain from the picture, the ability to put in a cup holder is only part of the issue. I also feared it would be splintered or the bowl broken by a bad run in with a boot/ammunition can/weapon/other large heavy object thrown Oh-So-Gently into proximity with my pack, in the dark...

I wonder if anyone has considered an electric, no-coal Leila(?)

[quote name='Hobocans' date='01 February 2010 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1265060295' post='448974']
Hey John,

Yea, all of the hookah forums are very opinionated. You just have to take it in stride, no use getting heated about it, because you know what they say about arguing on the internet.[/quote]I admit it, I'm a sucker for an argument...it's a weakness.

[quote name='Hobocans' date='01 February 2010 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1265060295' post='448974']configuration is different, and I like different. There is something very special about the old school look of a traditional hookah, but I think there is a lot of innovation left in hookah smoking and I think anyone willing to come out with a product that rocks the boat, is at least doing something useful.

Glad to hear the pipe works well. I love having the ability to smoke hookah anywhere I travel to, and if this is what works for you, do it.
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Thanks for the kind words. Incidentally, when I originally bought this contraption I'd shopped for a hobohookah...but guess those things were sold out loooong before I was looking. I'd also tried the Witch, hoping for a suitable substitute...if you've tried one you know it is not. I now have a pristine HoboNargile that I plan to try for the first time on my trip to San Diego. The other was a Christmas gift and the guy prizes the thing...

[r1v3th3ad]

Part of the beating you would take on here is that it is a Mitsuba

Mitsuba brand has been known to be junk. I know this first had, my first hookah around 4yrs ago was a two hose mitsuba(I think its in my gallery). I constantly had to make repairs to it with JB Stick because it was constantly falling apart. They are not welded together, they are glued together. All my seals went bad with a warm water rinse.
The first major problem was the downstem falling off. I had to constantly repair that. The thing that killed it was that the "welds" and seals inside the heart went bad and the inside fell apart(where I could not repair it). The damn thing fell apart within 6months of owning it and I had to make repairs once a month for over two years until I got the brains to buy a quality hookah( my MZ <3).

So, beware with this hookah, because chances are its going to break sometime over the next few years. Most people I knew that had a Mitsuba had the same problem as me. They are known to be cheap, low-end hookahs at a higher price.

Maybe you have a rare gem, and even with the good review, I will not buy one because it is a Mitsuba. Mitsubas are crap/junk


My opinion is backed on this one I think

[johnp]

[quote name='r1v3th3ad' date='02 February 2010 - 01:30 AM' timestamp='1265092249' post='449092']
Part of the beating you would take on here is that it is a Mitsuba

Mitsuba brand has been known to be junk. I know this first had, my first hookah around 4yrs ago was a two hose mitsuba(I think its in my gallery). I constantly had to make repairs to it with JB Stick because it was constantly falling apart. They are not welded together, they are glued together. All my seals went bad with a warm water rinse.
The first major problem was the downstem falling off. I had to constantly repair that. The thing that killed it was that the "welds" and seals inside the heart went bad and the inside fell apart(where I could not repair it). The damn thing fell apart within 6months of owning it and I had to make repairs once a month for over two years until I got the brains to buy a quality hookah( my MZ <3).

So, beware with this hookah, because chances are its going to break sometime over the next few years. Most people I knew that had a Mitsuba had the same problem as me. They are known to be cheap, low-end hookahs at a higher price.

Maybe you have a rare gem, and even with the good review, I will not buy one because it is a Mitsuba. Mitsubas are crap/junk


My opinion is backed on this one I think
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Good info to know about the brand. This particular one is all steel, with parts threading together (except the hose-it has an O-ring seal and plugs into the side of the hookah, and there is a captive plug for when the hose is not connected. The hookah portion is basically a can similar to a flattened canteen, with a hole threaded with a purge valve, a large central hole for the stem/head to thread into, and of course the lid/secondary windscreen. The bowl itself also has a self contained cover, much like similar bowls sold elsewhere, which clasps down over the coal and screen once lit.
It's utilitarian, but there's no glue (with the exception of the bowl, which is affixed to the threaded metal fitting which allows it to be attached to the hookah). The thing is no kidding almost all metal and threaded fittings. However it's good to know their regular hookahs suffer in quality, because I have seen them for sale in the past, and perhaps I've bought one-I had a rotator hookah early on that was a real POS in my opinion. Can't remember if I gave it away or threw it away...but the parts that I had thought were brass when seeing it in the package ended up being plastic....
not cool.

[Codename067]

John, John, John, I just wanted to let you know what I didn't bother reading anything you had to say to me, because, well, my opinion is wrong and your's is right! How could I possibly forget?

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This looks perfect for me!
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