TwitchyKid Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 well, my Stargate finally came on friday. i was super stoked, couldnt wait for my mom to leave. she finally does. i rip open the box, take pics of everything except half the pictures didnt come out right. but i start setting it up, go to kitchen open the 20 layers of plastic to get to the tobacco, pack the bowl lightly. then i foil it, poke a bunch of tiny holes. then i think this is where i messed up. the coal it came with was the white colored one with 4 lines to break off, kinda like a Hersheys Bar, i only broke it in half so there were 2 squares, and i think that was to many. the smoke was good, hated the smell but the taste was great. i was useing Peach BTW. so i go and i start lighting the coals, let them sit on the stove for about 2-3 mins, flip it, 1-2 mins and i put them on, two squares, it sizzles and i start it off, slowely. then i start going at it. its great, love the taste, nice smoke, not extremly thick, but its fine. start doing all the tricks i can, just cant seem to get the Smoke Rings. then i get the buzz, first its miled, so i continue smokeing, then it starts getting bad. i get such a bad buzz, i feel like im about to pass out. i put down the hose get a drink of gatorade and kinda just sit there sweating. then i stand up to go pee, and my mouth instantly fills with puke, run to bathroom, puke all my dinner and stuff. then i take a really nasty dookie, repeats 2 more times, take an advil. then i go and i clean up everything, soak the coals in water and throw them away. btw i was only smmokeing for 5-10 mins. i dunno if i put to many coals or what. here are the pics [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Bananaboy/IM000270.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Bananaboy/IM000271.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Bananaboy/IM000272.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4r80n Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 first bad: those coals are crap. go buy some 3 kings or golden ql for the time being. if you want naturals try golden canary at thehookah.comsecond, the tobacco might have a high nicotine content, but I am not sure. I know that if I smoke too much naklah i'll get sick feeling.Once you start not enjoyig the smoke, stop.sorry to hear your bad experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Z Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 D-d-damn! Sorry to hear about that man! I've never tried Pharaoh's ma'assell but I have seen it sold in a couple shops around where I live. I gotta wonder if it was the coal or the ma'assell that made you sick. Theres only two ma'assells I've ever smoked that made me really sick to my stomach. One was Hookah Splash and the other was Starbuzz. I absolutely refuse to ever smoke Hookah Splash again (after getting sick both times I tried it) and I'm still a little hesitant about Starbuzz, although I probably would try it again. I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who's had trouble with Starbuzz, but I know a lotta people have felt sick after smoking Hookah Splash. So has anyone else ever had a problem with feeling sick after smoking Pharaoh's? I think sometimes these things just kinda work on a person to person basis (certain ingredients in certain ma'assells just don't sit well with some people's systems). But anyway, again I'm sorry to hear about your negative experiance! Hope your feeling better now man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwitchyKid Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 well those are the only coals i can get for now, i tried to buy those lemon wood ones from Hookah-shisha or shisha-hookah on ebay, but once i clicked buy it now, i realized they didnt take paypal, and thats one of the only ways i can buy stuff. so did the coals make that big of a difference? would the double apple be less nicotine filled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashraj84 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 I can almost guarantee you it was the nicotine content. The first time I smoked my hookah, I smoked Nakhla and I was floored and just sat on my bed so dizzy and sick to my stomach for an hour or two.Try a tobacco with less nicotine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4r80n Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 yeah coals make a difference.also let your coals ash over grey before you put them on. or if you are using stove, red/orange hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwitchyKid Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 ok, i think it was the mix of starting with to strong tobacco, with not getting the coals good, and the amount of coals, and maybe a couple holes in the foil were to big. tomarrow i shall try again with my friend. he smoked ciggeretts regularly so the nicotine shouldnt be to bad for him, and if i get sick again i can just lay down and have him clean up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buxtonator Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Another thing, slow down!!! I know that feeling getting your first hookah happend to me last night, luckily i was using a lighter tobacco, one thing that helps is smoking with a friend, them smoking makes you take a break and breath. but i definitly know that feeling that you just wanna smoke the hookah. take it slow next time dude. just my 2 cents but it might have had something to do with just be nice and slow next time, maybe that will help next time from getting sick, and if you feel like yer gettin a big buzz take a break and see where it goes, if it looks like its gonna turn into a bad buzz stop. and try the things mentioned above as soon as you can untill then just nice and slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwitchyKid Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 btw, what do you guys think is a great thick smoke, with very little buzz? preferebly somewhere where i can pay with paypal, i want to start slow and work my way up, yet not sacrafice the awesome smokeing ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Pharaoh's has a strong buzz. A few of the safer, milder brands to try could be Al Fakher, Al Amir, Starbuzz ($$), Romman ($$) or Layalina. I would try something like those for a while before stepping up to Nakhla or Tangiers. Even Fumari has slightly strong buzz for me. I think different types of coals effect people in different ways. The only thing about Easy-Lite that bothered me was the smell/taste and the fact that they don't last very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Yes Pharoahs is a stronger nicotine based tobacco with .5%, but I've never had any problems with it, or any tobacco for that matter. Must just have a strong stomach. :)I have Pharoahs Zesty orange, cola, chery cola, vanilla, chocomint, and honey-dew, and I have to say I'm a big fan of all of them so far. I like the cherry cola more than the cola though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4r80n Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 fumari has hardly any nicotine, hardly a buzz.naklah knocks me out , and tangiers I can enjoy, but get buzzzed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Z Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Al-Fakher might be a pretty good cho8ice for you! Congrats! I tend to think of Al-Fakher as having a "medium" sort of buzz, but it is more on the mild side so I think you should be okay with it. If you decide you like Al-Fakher I also recommend you eventually try their Apple, Strawberry, and Golden Seal Eskandaraini Apple as well. Their all really nice IMHO. But as far as buzzes go, heres how I personally would sort the different ma'assell companies. If anyone thinks I'm wrong about any of these please give your own feelings about it as well...Tangiers - Strong BuzzNakhla - Strong BuzzHookah Splash - Strong BuzzPharaoh's - Strong BuzzSultan - Strong BuzzAl-Quemah - Strong BuzzAl-Fakher - Medium BuzzAl-Fakher Golden Seal - Medium BuzzAl-Amir - Medium BuzzRomman - Medium BuzzFumari - Light BuzzEl-Basha - Light BuzzAl-Waha - Zero BuzzStarbuzz - Zero Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain Soph Aur Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I'm not sure you mention on these forums but you might try not inhaling your first few times. Or only inhaling a couple times. This builds up your tolerence to the chemicles in the tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornellius Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I think it is because of your coals because they are potassium nitrate and sulphure based. Using wood coals and burning them till they are all white is much more better than using sulphure based posionous coals (which also makes your stomach sick.) Be cool and be slow, do not smoke just after you have eaten unless you eat frequent but smaller portions. (like me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwitchyKid Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 maybe thats why, i ate a huge plate of Panda Express an hour before and drank 2 or so gatorades. i want to know where c4r80n got his al waha after nine, the way he discribed it was perfect for me, and the fact that it has no buzz! i should have gotten that instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4r80n Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 for me AW got me buzzed, medium buzz.you can buy a 50g box of after nine at hookahcompany.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwitchyKid Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 thanks, im gunna get around 250 grams of that after nine for me and my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4r80n Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 i'd suggest buying 50g first. First rule: everyone's tastes are different.but it IS good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookahEnthusiast Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Johnny i agree with ur buzz factor ratings..but i also think it is important to mention that a persons smoking frequency and nicotine tolerance due to exposure also plays a role in the level of buzz different tobaccos give. If you smoke 1-3 bowls everyday then al waha and starbuzz arent going to do it for you...but if you smoke less than that say....1 or 2 times a week or mayb even less than you can get a pretty good buzz from al waha and starbuzz if you inhale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwitchyKid Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 how do you do that thing so you take a hit, but dont really inhale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ain Soph Aur Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Just suck the smoke into your mouth using your mouth muscles.clost the back of your throat and just open your mouth but keep your lips closed on the tube like you would taking a puff on a cigerette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghaleon Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 i've had similar experiences with cheap coals... go for the golden coals, or if you're really ambitious, light up some natural, lemon wood coals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Easy Lites are death. Many coals use potassium nitrate (or similar alklai metal perchlorates/nitrates). The problem is sulfur content. Good charcoal are low sulfur, but Easy Lites seem to have extra sulfur added to help them light, bad idea, bad for the smoker. Could it be Humidity shock? The fact that the tobacco (Pharoah's) is full nicotine and you didn;t allow time for it to acclimate might be making the whole mess worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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