A New Story....

[Vladimir]

Too bad this makes you a domestic terrorist now if you have it but, meh.

[ilikemyusername]

Just so you know, you're showing at 13 seconds in.

I think thats his holster... or a fannypack.

[Vladimir]

Just so you know, you're showing at 13 seconds in.

I think thats his holster... or a fannypack.

I think that is what he is saying =P

[delSol_si]

Nice vid mushy, your looking mighty sexy ! Really hope you don't get shut down, would a sad day. I see why you can't make it an outdoor bar at your current location, didn't realize you were part of a strip. Maybe if you moved your business to a new location you could? Like everyone else has said, let me know if there is something I could do!

Btw, does anyone have a link to where this ban is located and what the exact terms are? I know there was a newspaper article on the board awhile back that mentioned it, but I would like to see the actual source. That seems like the best place to start.

[liquidglass]

Yeah Mushy I'm def coming up asap to visit and support as much as I can.

Let me know the details of it and I'll look into a few loopholes, I'm sure you already have but I'll see if there's anything I can scrounge up to help you. I'll even talk to Mike Mcintyre it's just been a while since I've been in touch with him, he knows the family though so every little bit might help.

[redjako]

Good luck with the good fight..local bars here, while fighting legislation, have mostly gone to Herbal:

http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-712...-loopholes.html

In anticipation of this year’s smoking ban, the downtown hookah bar Ouida’s Lounge switched the tobacco-based shisha in its hookahs to an herb-and-fruit mixture eight months ago. “The customers never noticed the difference, hardly,” says lounge owner Ouida Sepher-Nik.

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http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-7928-smoke-out.html



Methinks an all-outdoor based patio replete with winter-heaters may be in order...or, what is "outdoor"?
Wouldn't it be funny to just destroy the roof overhead, or just knock out a 1FT wide border in the ceiling to conform to a "outdoor" venue?

MUAHAHHHA

..this has possibilities.

[mushrat]

Here's the bill itself.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2009/...v5-PCS10896.pdf

to see the progression and amendments, start here:

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/Bill...amp;BillID=hb+2

[Vampy6997]

Free hookah smoking with purchase of cigars. 21+.

[cypherkk]

I see the problem is yes, he could start selling cigars. But, in order to smoke anything it has to be a free standing building meaning his is the only business/home on the property. Not other businesses attached.

next problem you couldn't have anyone in the business under 21.

I think the private club thing would work. But with a lease it would make it difficult. You might try to check with the landlord to see if they have an free standing property's you can move to, sometimes landlords will simply allow you to move and take on the new property in the lease. Problem, it'd probably be more expensive.

I've seen some hookah bars, namely Howards Hollywood Hangout in palm desert, sell cigars and hookah. Then theres the problem of investing in a humidifier and cigars. I know of some cigar manufactures though that will name your own cigar brand. Its all the same cigars, just you company's name is on them instead.

[mushrat]

I see the problem is yes, he could start selling cigars. But, in order to smoke anything it has to be a free standing building meaning his is the only business/home on the property. Not other businesses attached.

next problem you couldn't have anyone in the business under 21.

I think the private club thing would work. But with a lease it would make it difficult. You might try to check with the landlord to see if they have an free standing property's you can move to, sometimes landlords will simply allow you to move and take on the new property in the lease. Problem, it'd probably be more expensive.

I've seen some hookah bars, namely Howards Hollywood Hangout in palm desert, sell cigars and hookah. Then theres the problem of investing in a humidifier and cigars. I know of some cigar manufactures though that will name your own cigar brand. Its all the same cigars, just you company's name is on them instead.

Since i already am open i dont have to be free standing and they changed the rules on private clubs so I can't go that route.

[Tikhman]

Mush, you can try to do what some bars have done in minnesota

(8) A motion picture, television, theater or other live production set. This
exemption applies only to the actor or performer portraying the use of
tobacco products during the production.


I don't know for sure if that exception is phrased the same as it is in minneapolis, but what bars have been doing here is hosting "theater nights" where they have a couple cameras in the place and consider everyone actors and the bar a stage.

If nothing else it could buy you more time.
http://www.startribune.com/local/15859722.html


Also, can you argue with their definition of smoking? They say smoking is using a "lighted" tobacco product, since we don't actually light hookahs in the literal term, is that something that you can argue with them about? Edited May 27, 2009 by Tikhman

[EternalSoil]

Also, can you argue with their definition of smoking? They say smoking is using a "lighted" tobacco product, since we don't actually light hookahs in the literal term, is that something that you can argue with them about?

Oooh, i like this. No combustion.

you could call it baking!

a bake sale!!! whooo!!

[Hojo]

Also, can you argue with their definition of smoking? They say smoking is using a "lighted" tobacco product, since we don't actually light hookahs in the literal term, is that something that you can argue with them about?

Oooh, i like this. No combustion.

you could call it baking!

a bake sale!!! whooo!!

Except that word has a definite negative connotation. Call it that and lawmakers will lose their shit. Try "roasting."

[EternalSoil]

Also, can you argue with their definition of smoking? They say smoking is using a "lighted" tobacco product, since we don't actually light hookahs in the literal term, is that something that you can argue with them about?

Oooh, i like this. No combustion.

you could call it baking!

a bake sale!!! whooo!!

Except that word has a definite negative connotation. Call it that and lawmakers will lose their shit. Try "roasting."

yeah, true. and roasting wouldnt be much better...

[freeOS]

Subscribed! Watching this one closely as this new trend is making me skiddish of attempting a venture in Pittsburgh. Nice armor btw, Mushrat. SCA?

[delSol_si]

Ok, I have been reading it and some parts I understand, some parts I don't. Here are a few places that stick out that may be a loop hole:
( Smoking may be permitted in the following places:
(1) A private residence. *is there any way to make your bar a private residence that just happens to charge people so smoke? lets say I own a house, a friend comes over, I say "for $10, I'll light up my hookah and we can smoke. Maybe?

(3) A tobacco shop if smoke from the business does not migrate into an
enclosed area where smoking is prohibited pursuant to this Article. A
tobacco shop that begins operation after July 1, 2009, may only allow
smoking if it is located in a freestanding structure occupied solely by the
tobacco shop and smoke from the shop does not migrate into an enclosed
area where smoking is prohibited pursuant to this Article. *Maybe you could claim to be a tobacco shop that lets the customers try out the product before buying. Just make sure the smoke doesn't "migrate" to your neighbors. Might try to get a freestanding structure as indicated by someone else. Not really sure what the July 1, 2009 date means, if anything.

All of the premises, facilities, and vehicles owned, operated, or leased by
any tobacco products processor or manufacturer, or any tobacco leaf grower,
processor, or dealer. *talk to Eric and see how to make your own baccy. Turn your shop into a manufacture who happens to let customers try the product. Maybe see what it would take to become a "dealer"

Something else I noticed concerning the penalties for disobeying the law:
Continuing to smoke in a nonsmoking area described in this Part following oral or
written notice by the person in charge of the area or the person's designee constitutes an
infraction, and the person committing the infraction may be punished by a fine of not more than
fifty dollars ($50.00). *figure out if this $50 is a one time thing or a reoccurring fine, if it is a one time thing, just explain to your customers they will be fined $50, call it a "general fee" colleges love billing us "general fees" when they run out of excuses for wanting our money. It says that they will enforce your lounge with a "health director" but it doesn't really say what he or she will actually do.


Really, I think considering yourself a tobacco shop rather than a lounge will be your best bet. It specifically states that a tobacco shop is legal as long as the smoke doesn't migrate to other establishments. The major kicker is that you can only make 25% of your total revenues from smoking. BUT, I think what you COULD do is tell your customers you will "sell" them the baccy, making it part of your tobacco shop revenue, and then offer to let them use your hookah to smoke it. You may want to consider charging a bit more for the baccy to cover the cost of them using your hookah, or just charge a minimal fee to use your hookahs, making sure it stays less that 25% of your revenues. Selling hookahs and accessories will also help. The only other bad part is that you would have to stop serving food and alcohol, if you even do in the first place. Ya, it would suck a bit, but at least you could keep your doors open.

Hopefully my ideas are someone logic and not just a bunch of bullshit. Now I am really understanding why it will be very hard to make an outdoor bar and why you can't convert your's into one. Definition of an enclosed area per the article: "Enclosed area". – "An area with a roof or other overhead covering of any
kind and walls or side coverings of any kind, regardless of the presence of
openings for ingress and egress, on all sides or on all sides but one. " So basically you can't have any walls.

Thats my now on to the second link! haha

[liquidglass]

call it roasting and change the name to "Toasty Roasty" lol better than the Easy Bake name to associate with the original comment

just playing Mush, I'll look into it and see what kind of of holes we can find.

[delSol_si]

call it roasting and change the name to "Toasty Roasty" lol better than the Easy Bake name to associate with the original comment

just playing Mush, I'll look into it and see what kind of of holes we can find.

I thought I put that in my post, but I guess not, but that actually should work. According to the Bill, the definition of smoking is: "Smoking". – The use or possession of a lighted cigarette, lighted cigar,
lighted pipe, or any other lighted tobacco product.

The coal is technically the only thing that gets lit, some people don't even light the coals, they just warm them up. There is nothing in that definition against warming up tobacco to inhale. Also, even if you "burn" the shisha, none of it is actually lit or on fire. Just got too hot. Edited May 28, 2009 by delSol_si

[Vampy6997]

electric coals? ..... .... ..........

[iliass]

Dear All
I am a new hookah enthousiast and just loged on. Could someone who has tried an electric hookah tell me if it works and if it does where I can purchase one over the internet.

Thanks.

[chromecarz00]

Dear All
I am a new hookah enthousiast and just loged on. Could someone who has tried an electric hookah tell me if it works and if it does where I can purchase one over the internet.

Thanks.

Wrong thread to comment in.
Were talking about ways to save this mans hookah bar.
Do a search on electric coal, theres been 5 threads in the last month.
Welcome to the forums.

[Anxiety]

amazingly well said...so true how they just protect cigar bars because that's something they enjoy, but yet the hookah bars get screwd over...that's bs man i really hope you fight it. I can't believe cigar bars won't be banned but hookah bars will be...wtf is the difference? honestly...

[Zyram]

amazingly well said...so true how they just protect cigar bars because that's something they enjoy, but yet the hookah bars get screwd over...that's bs man i really hope you fight it. I can't believe cigar bars won't be banned but hookah bars will be...wtf is the difference? honestly...

Cigars have worse second hand smoke, but I suppose the difference is that alot of the politicians and their rich friends smoke cigars together. That's all. Arbitrary BS is what almost all of the laws passed these days are. Sad sad.

-Z

[delSol_si]

amazingly well said...so true how they just protect cigar bars because that's something they enjoy, but yet the hookah bars get screwd over...that's bs man i really hope you fight it. I can't believe cigar bars won't be banned but hookah bars will be...wtf is the difference? honestly...

Cigars smell bad, hookahs smell good. Politicians like to make stinkys.

[Canon]

start growing tobacco. /problem solved

( a ) Notwithstanding Article 64 of Chapter 143 of the General Statutes, smoking is prohibited in public places and places of employment, except as provided in subsection ( B ) of this section.

( B ) Smoking may be permitted in the following places:

( 4 ) All of the premises, facilities, and vehicles owned, operated, or leased by any tobacco products processor or manufacturer, or any tobacco leaf grower, processor, or dealer.