delSol_si Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 QUOTE (Canon @ May 31 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>start growing tobacco. /problem solved( a ) Notwithstanding Article 64 of Chapter 143 of the General Statutes, smoking is prohibited in public places and places of employment, except as provided in subsection ( B ) of this section.( B ) Smoking may be permitted in the following places:( 4 ) All of the premises, facilities, and vehicles owned, operated, or leased by any tobacco products processor or manufacturer, or any tobacco leaf grower, processor, or dealer.He really doesn't even have to start making his own baccy, all he as to do is start selling baccy and make sure his revenue from his baccy is at least 70% of his total revenue, which shouldn't be hard. The only hard part would be to quit serving alcohol and food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srawas89 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 QUOTE He really doesn't even have to start making his own baccy, all he as to do is start selling baccy and make sure his revenue from his baccy is at least 70% of his total revenue, which shouldn't be hard. The only hard part would be to quit serving alcohol and food.I think that if mush did not serve alcohol anymore it would greatly decrease his business as he is prob the only hookah bar in his area that is an actual bar as well. It is unique and in the video I believe he stated that kids who are underage can hang out while their overage friends drink and everyone smokes and has a good time. I don't know Mush I hope this turns out in your favor but in my opinion there should be a grandfather clause because without one it is just saying F**k you to the business that opened before our rights were slowly taken away. If we choose to go to a place where we will knowingly inhale smoke than that is our right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 QUOTE (srawas89 @ May 31 2009, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE He really doesn't even have to start making his own baccy, all he as to do is start selling baccy and make sure his revenue from his baccy is at least 70% of his total revenue, which shouldn't be hard. The only hard part would be to quit serving alcohol and food.I think that if mush did not serve alcohol anymore it would greatly decrease his business as he is prob the only hookah bar in his area that is an actual bar as well. It is unique and in the video I believe he stated that kids who are underage can hang out while their overage friends drink and everyone smokes and has a good time. I don't know Mush I hope this turns out in your favor but in my opinion there should be a grandfather clause because without one it is just saying F**k you to the business that opened before our rights were slowly taken away. If we choose to go to a place where we will knowingly inhale smoke than that is our right.Agreed, it would suck, but if the difference it between being open or not being open, sometimes you have to make sacrifices, even if they suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog_916 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Fight it mush, fight it to the bitter, bitter end. I hope the politicians enacting all these bans go down next election cycle. Start a general petition among yourself and other businesses like yours. Argue from the taxation perspective. Anything you can do to plant a seed of doubt in their minds, do it. Slippery slope is a good argument. It starts with restaurants, tobacco shops and hookah bars and eventually it will get to cigar bars, the very places they frequent. Its just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename067 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Man that blows..whatever happens, GL Mush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1550246.htmlHere we go again. Funny i dont recall actually speakign with the reporter on this one. We do a radio series on Wed. Things are getting fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 QUOTE (delSol_si @ May 27 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok, I have been reading it and some parts I understand, some parts I don't. Here are a few places that stick out that may be a loop hole:( Smoking may be permitted in the following places:(1) A private residence. *is there any way to make your bar a private residence that just happens to charge people so smoke? lets say I own a house, a friend comes over, I say "for $10, I'll light up my hookah and we can smoke. Maybe?(3) A tobacco shop if smoke from the business does not migrate into an enclosed area where smoking is prohibited pursuant to this Article. A tobacco shop that begins operation after July 1, 2009, may only allow smoking if it is located in a freestanding structure occupied solely by the tobacco shop and smoke from the shop does not migrate into an enclosed area where smoking is prohibited pursuant to this Article. *Maybe you could claim to be a tobacco shop that lets the customers try out the product before buying. Just make sure the smoke doesn't "migrate" to your neighbors. Might try to get a freestanding structure as indicated by someone else. Not really sure what the July 1, 2009 date means, if anything.All of the premises, facilities, and vehicles owned, operated, or leased by any tobacco products processor or manufacturer, or any tobacco leaf grower, processor, or dealer. *talk to Eric and see how to make your own baccy. Turn your shop into a manufacture who happens to let customers try the product. Maybe see what it would take to become a "dealer"Something else I noticed concerning the penalties for disobeying the law:Continuing to smoke in a nonsmoking area described in this Part following oral or written notice by the person in charge of the area or the person's designee constitutes aninfraction, and the person committing the infraction may be punished by a fine of not more thanfifty dollars ($50.00). *figure out if this $50 is a one time thing or a reoccurring fine, if it is a one time thing, just explain to your customers they will be fined $50, call it a "general fee" colleges love billing us "general fees" when they run out of excuses for wanting our money. It says that they will enforce your lounge with a "health director" but it doesn't really say what he or she will actually do.Really, I think considering yourself a tobacco shop rather than a lounge will be your best bet. It specifically states that a tobacco shop is legal as long as the smoke doesn't migrate to other establishments. The major kicker is that you can only make 25% of your total revenues from smoking. BUT, I think what you COULD do is tell your customers you will "sell" them the baccy, making it part of your tobacco shop revenue, and then offer to let them use your hookah to smoke it. You may want to consider charging a bit more for the baccy to cover the cost of them using your hookah, or just charge a minimal fee to use your hookahs, making sure it stays less that 25% of your revenues. Selling hookahs and accessories will also help. The only other bad part is that you would have to stop serving food and alcohol, if you even do in the first place. Ya, it would suck a bit, but at least you could keep your doors open.Hopefully my ideas are someone logic and not just a bunch of bullshit. Now I am really understanding why it will be very hard to make an outdoor bar and why you can't convert your's into one. Definition of an enclosed area per the article: "Enclosed area". – "An area with a roof or other overhead covering of any kind and walls or side coverings of any kind, regardless of the presence of openings for ingress and egress, on all sides or on all sides but one. " So basically you can't have any walls.Thats my now on to the second link! hahaNo, any idea is worth listening to. But I need the booze revenue to stay open in this town and I just don't want to have to play stupid games like other folks in LV. Either i will be open or closed, but im going to do it all above board and legally. Even if we are going to end up in court I have a feeling arguing the definition of "smoking".Thanks for th support though, you all help keep me going.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunK Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 cant see the vid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Here is the list of members and contact info for the General Assembly of North Carolina. Thanks to Mushy's wife . Now we just gotta figure out which county Mush lives in...or take the long road and contact them all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 rssbot found another story on you, mushy!http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=30989#entry375219 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Um..i think thats the same link as the one above I posted directly to the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezter6 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 QUOTE (delSol_si @ Jun 1 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here is the list of members and contact info for the General Assembly of North Carolina. Thanks to Mushy's wife . Now we just gotta figure out which county Mush lives in...or take the long road and contact them all...A quick search says Chapel Hill is in Orange county.Dem 23 Eleanor Kinnaird Orange, PersonEdit: From her website, she is very pro tobacco tax, which likely means she's unsympathetic to our cause.That's just my opinion - but I'm going to guess that she's not going to be on Mushy's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 QUOTE (mushrat @ Jun 1 2009, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Um..i think thats the same link as the one above I posted directly to the article. Was that to me or Stuie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 QUOTE (jezter6 @ Jun 1 2009, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (delSol_si @ Jun 1 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here is the list of members and contact info for the General Assembly of North Carolina. Thanks to Mushy's wife . Now we just gotta figure out which county Mush lives in...or take the long road and contact them all...A quick search says Chapel Hill is in Orange county.Dem 23 Eleanor Kinnaird Orange, PersonHmmm...I was thinking about contacting Vernon Malone Seriously though, maybe Eleanor would be the best to contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 QUOTE (jezter6 @ Jun 1 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (delSol_si @ Jun 1 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here is the list of members and contact info for the General Assembly of North Carolina. Thanks to Mushy's wife . Now we just gotta figure out which county Mush lives in...or take the long road and contact them all...A quick search says Chapel Hill is in Orange county.Dem 23 Eleanor Kinnaird Orange, PersonEdit: From her website, she is very pro tobacco tax, which likely means she's unsympathetic to our cause.That's just my opinion - but I'm going to guess that she's not going to be on Mushy's side.Thats the lying bitch that said for 6 weeks she was working on an amendment for me, then when it was out of the senate admitted she hadnt tried because the sponsor of the bill asked her not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 my bad... but it was a link that the bot caught it... i dunno... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezter6 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 You need to get some publicity - find out who's going to run against her and set up some support rallies at the bar!Start letting the media know that apparently your local representatives do not believe in supporting local small businesses and are only doing favors for their friends in congress.Rage against the machine!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamiliarJoe Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 QUOTE (jezter6 @ Jun 1 2009, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You need to get some publicity - find out who's going to run against her and set up some support rallies at the bar!Start letting the media know that apparently your local representatives do not believe in supporting local small businesses and are only doing favors for their friends in congress.Rage against the machine!!!!!!! Best advice ive read in this whole thread.Make THEM the bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) Yes, the only way this is going to get changed is to rub it in everyone's faces, and let them know what is happening. Don't make the focus about being a hookah bar, but a local business that is being shut down by bad legislation. Anyone have any connections in the news?Oh, and and on a side note. -5 internets for extreme amounts of starbuzz containers in your bar!!!! Edited June 4, 2009 by Barnaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 we're gettign more and more interest from the media. A local new radio station interviewed me for a series they are doing on the effects of the upcoming ban, the local town paper for the little burb connected to chapel hill called and interviewed me over the phone. And some of the hookah bars that ignored my calls for help before thhe bill passed are now calling in a panic asking what to do. Schmucks.and just cause I carry soemthing, doesn't mean i SMOKE that soemthing. It sells almost as well as the Tangiers, of which I carry twice the selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezter6 Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Mush - seriously - now's the time....Organize a PUBLIC "smoke-in". See if you can get a permit for a large open park of some sorts and advertise the crap out of it, get tons of people. Invite the media. Invite the whore of a representative AND her competition.Invite the HookahForum...I bet camel and I could make it down for that, and I be there are others that would as well.Smokefest East '09 - let's do it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrenwizard Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Hi guys, I'm from Malaysia. I feel the pain of what their trying to do to you guys over there. Would definitely take note of how this pencil neck do their things. Good Luck guys and Keep on Smokin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 QUOTE (mushrat @ May 26 2009, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>http://www.dailytarheel.com/multimedia/vid...bliss-1.1753352I didn't know you were in the triangle area mush -- I'm moving to Durham in a month! I'll see if I can swing by your place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsboy Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 From Canada, I feel your pain and we are behind you Mush. Hope you have better luck than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 Still no movement. I think we're gonna end up in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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