gunsboy Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 After reading thousands of posts in this great forum for years I am thinking of writing a book that collects many of the opinions and experiences in an ebook. Also, we should start a certification degree of hookah science. Any hookah guru could write a test about hookah culture, preparation, shisha types, accessories, coals, and other topics. Depending on the mark they will receive a certificate that would solidify and prove their hookah knowledge and could be used for bragging right too. - Hookah Professor: he/she can become a faculty that can contribute to tests.- Hookah PHD.- Hookah Master. - Hookah Undergrad (w/o honors).There are so many geniuses and inventors that changed the face of hookah smoking while keeping some of the old traditions.I do not know what to call the book.I was thinking:"Shishology 101""Hookology"What do you think?I know, I have too much time on my hands. It is June and the weather sucks outside. It rains alot in here and I am bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 oo thats awesome! i like that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coplinb Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 As goofy as an idea as that is, I like it. Another way to go is for someone with more ambition than me to make a hookah quiz on funtrivia.com. It could be like 10-20 random questions about the what nots of hookah prep and smoking. Then, based on your score, you would fall into some kind of category like gunsboy said. Someone do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momatik Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Shishology > Hookology.My 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Question 1: This was the first major brand of flavored tobacco produced in order to help ween people off of smoking.Question 2: This is the region of India where hookahs were thought to origonate from.Question 3: The most popular flavor ordered in the Middle East is?Question 4: This term was used to describe hookah by Air Force officials in Desert Storm and carried the stigma of an illegal drug that caused temporary insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Anyone who can use google will be able to make a 100% on the test...then again I am sure Eric could make a non-googleable question or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamiliarJoe Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 QUOTE (delSol_si @ Jun 1 2009, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Anyone who can use google will be able to make a 100% on the test...then again I am sure Eric could make a non-googleable question or two.+5You know he could stump us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 QUOTE (FSUReligionMan @ Jun 1 2009, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Question 1: This was the first major brand of flavored tobacco produced in order to help ween people off of smoking.Question 2: This is the region of India where hookahs were thought to origonate from.Question 3: The most popular flavor ordered in the Middle East is?Question 4: This term was used to describe hookah by Air Force officials in Desert Storm and carried the stigma of an illegal drug that caused temporary insanity.1 nakhla2 hundu3 anise with apple on the box.4 que? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 1) Nahkla2) Northwestern provinces of India along the border of Pakistan in Rajasthan and Gujarat3) Double Apple/Two Apple4) Hubbly-Bubbly (Seriously, my dad has a handout with this on it he got from his Chief) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inino Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I still call it hubbly bubbly. and if you order a hookah in the middle east and the receipt is in English it will say hubbly bubby most of the time, not "hookah" or "arghileh". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srawas89 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 O yea people still say hubbly-bubbly to this day. I just say argeleh even around Americans to pick out the real enthusiasts....this way I know who to offer a smoke haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Hookahs weren't invented in India. They were invented in the Ottoman Empire. Its a common misconception.What do I win? I'm in Gunsboy...how do I get a BS in hookah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 QUOTE (Sonthert @ Jun 4 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hookahs weren't invented in India. They were invented in the Ottoman Empire. Its a common misconception.What do I win? I'm in Gunsboy...how do I get a BS in hookah?I'd say you probably already have a PhD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Hookahs couldn't have origonated during the Ottoman empire simply due to the fact they're depicted on some of the victory steeles in Egypt and also on a monument dedicated to Akar which date to roughly 700 CE while the Ottoman Empire was established in 1299 CE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Again, man? Seriously?OK, from Wikipedia:QUOTE (Wikipedia)The Shisha or the Hookah was invented during the time of the Abbasid Empire in Baghdad, Iraq. It was invented by an Arab man and was first introduced to the fifth Abbasid Caliph, Harun Al-Rashid between 786 AD - 809 AD during the Golden Age. Shisha or Hookah then spreaded all over the Arab and the Islamic World.I was mistaken on one point...it is the area that was to be the Ottoman Empire...but before the Ottoman Empire. It was not invented in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 "Hookah" is the most common term. Originally, hookahs came from India as a form of coconut waterpipe, and is more aptly termed toward the implements from that region. "nargileh" is the Turkish term ("arguileh" in Lebanon), while "shisha" remains the term popular from Egypt to Saudi Arabia.The Hookah's origin traces back to India. It surfaced in the form we know it as today around the 15th Century when Indian Glass manufacturing began as a result of the exporting of glass to India through the British East India Company. The glass base was called Shisha.The hookah is said to have originated in India, or perhaps even as far afield as China. In the 17th century, smoking sheesha took off in Constantinople, where it is known as nargileh. Nowadays, hookah-smoking is a seemingly unbreakable social habit that, despite a vigorous anti-smoking lobby, is growing in popularity, especially among non-Arabs. The origin of Hookah smoking can be dated millennia back and its initial traces have been found in the North Western provinces of India alongside the border of Pakistan in the state of Rajasthan and Gujarat. The Hookahs of the ancient times were very simple, rugged and archaic in design. The initial Hookahs were crafted out of a coconut shell base. The Hookah headed for Persian Kingdom and made its way towards Pakistan, Afghanistan, many parts of Asia and Arab parts of Northern Africa. I take back my Egyptian statement, it wasn't hookah they were smoking. But these are the things I've found in the first few googled searches. I'm not saying you're wrong, as you're probably not, I'm just saying what I've read/heard/seen, as even these sources have conflicting dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 BackgroundHookah smoking is an old and deep-rooted tradition in the Indo-Pakistani subcontinent as evidenced by excerpts of historical references given in annex and translated from Urdu into English by Sajid (see also Figure 1). From the study you posted about hookah/ciggerette smokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Well...how about nobody's sure then? I hear all sorts of things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Let's say it started in San Diego! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsboy Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 QUOTE (delSol_si @ Jun 4 2009, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Sonthert @ Jun 4 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hookahs weren't invented in India. They were invented in the Ottoman Empire. Its a common misconception.What do I win? I'm in Gunsboy...how do I get a BS in hookah?I'd say you probably already have a PhDI think your PHD thesis should be to get to the bottom of the origin of shisha with pictures, dates and names.Then, we elect a group of your peers to review the materials and sources. Then you will be the first to receive a hookah university graduate degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherwood Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Since none of us are still smoking out of coconuts, I think it's safe to say that the device we would now associate with a hookah most definitely came from the Ottoman Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Sonthert @ Jun 4 2009, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Again, man? Seriously?OK, from Wikipedia:QUOTE (Wikipedia)The Shisha or the Hookah was invented during the time of the Abbasid Empire in Baghdad, Iraq. It was invented by an Arab man and was first introduced to the fifth Abbasid Caliph, Harun Al-Rashid between 786 AD - 809 AD during the Golden Age. Shisha or Hookah then spreaded all over the Arab and the Islamic World.I was mistaken on one point...it is the area that was to be the Ottoman Empire...but before the Ottoman Empire. It was not invented in India.Not trying to question your knowledge or start an argument or anything, but one thing we have been told numerous times in the college I go to is that wikipedia is NOT a credible source. I can actually go in there and type that I was the creator or hookahs if I so wanted to.Edit: Eric, I am not saying you are right or wrong as I do not know, just suggesting not using wikipedia to back yourself up. Edited June 4, 2009 by delSol_si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherv Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 QUOTE (delSol_si @ Jun 4 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Sonthert @ Jun 4 2009, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Again, man? Seriously?OK, from Wikipedia:QUOTE (Wikipedia)The Shisha or the Hookah was invented during the time of the Abbasid Empire in Baghdad, Iraq. It was invented by an Arab man and was first introduced to the fifth Abbasid Caliph, Harun Al-Rashid between 786 AD - 809 AD during the Golden Age. Shisha or Hookah then spreaded all over the Arab and the Islamic World.I was mistaken on one point...it is the area that was to be the Ottoman Empire...but before the Ottoman Empire. It was not invented in India.Not trying to question your knowledge or start an argument or anything, but one thing we have been told numerous times in the college I go to is that wikipedia is NOT a credible source. I can actually go in there and type that I was the creator or hookahs if I so wanted to.Edit: Eric, I am not saying you are right or wrong as I do not know, just suggesting not using wikipedia to back yourself up.There's nothing wrong with using wikipedia if the info you're using is actually properly referenced. Peer-reviewed journals, for example, operate similarly wherein background information is provided and referenced from previous publications. It just becomes a matter of then verifying the source material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Well, Sherwood, actually it was invented before the Ottoman Empire came into being. Del_Sol...I was quoting Wiki, not you...It doesn;t really matter, does it? If I were designing a Chemical Plant, I wouldn't rely on it, but can you rely on anything you read on the internet? I don't think so...That is, Wiki is not a credible source because its changeable and from the internet...so why are we interested in using an external source to make an inherently unreliable source (ourselves) less unreliable? I don't footnote my posts...what if I'm full of shit? How do you know anything factual somebody says is reliable here? If I hadn't have referenced Wiki, would my post have had more truth value? No, of course not, so my statement remains at the same truth value...uncertain. I'm certainly not going to footnote a book on the history of hookah...nobody does here, so what sources are we left with? People's sayso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Eric is very much in the right on this: It doesn't matter. Unless one of you have done the research first hand and can prove this fact it doesn't matter how many instances of X fact you post, there's always a margin of error that will allow for something to be wrong. I don't care if you use Wiki, it is a very good reference spot for quick facts, but be weary as it can easily be misleading and just wrong. This whole situation escilated into something rediculous. Drop it and let's smoke some hookah and talk about how good Lime Tangiers is going to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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