Bowl Idea

[Vladimir]

So going against the grain for foil preparation I normally opt for TONS and TONS of TINY, VERY TINY holes instead of "a few big ones". I would use a thumbtack and just barely, gently push it in for a tiny tiny hole. And I always got great smoke.

So I was looking in my egyptians, curiously recognizing that they are different sized bowls but both have an even 5 holes and got to thinking... is there a reason there aren't bowls with MANY, but TINY holes... instead of the 5 gaping holes?

Just a thought, maybe its been tried and sucked, maybe it has to do with making the bowls (maybe they wouldn't hold together as well or something). Any ideas?

[mattarios2]

well cleaning it would be a bitch if the holes really were tiny. If they are somewhat small then why not just use big holes, lol. you see what i am sayin?

Smaller holes to large holes have no difference really in terms of juice dripping down.

but tiny tiny holes would be good just a pain to clean.

[Stuie]

that's an interesting thought.

My thought is air flow. might be restrictive based on the fact that it would be easier to block a lot of the holes with the tobacco.

Only one way to find out...

I am up for trying one.(yeah big surprise)

[Vladimir]

I had thought a little about cleaning, but my view may be biased as I have the greatest cleaning system ever. First off the BOWL I clean ALMOST every smoke (very rarely do I not), so just rinse it real quick, give it a good shake, and blow it like crazy (with the air compressor) and its spick and span- regardless of hole size. However, if the holes were small and got "plugged" should be easy to clean them with that awful "hole-poker" all the hookah tongs come with?

I think the advantage would be similar to my foil prep. I am no scientist but it seems like it increases COVERAGE, without change to airflow (as long as you do it the proper way). Question is, I guess... would it have similar (if any) effects inside the bowl?

[RingsMaster]

sounds like a good concept, maybe someone with some good skills could make one, ill be the tester for it lol, ive actually had the same thoughts about the many holes on the bottom, but dont know anyone who could make it, as for airflow i would think it wouldnt affect the draw. can anyone make us one lol??

[delSol_si]

can anyone make us one lol??

Eric or Santino would be the best bet. I would say scalli too, but poor guy is injured right now and needs to be taking it easy.

[liquidglass]

sounds like an interesting idea, but I'm with the others on the air flow issue.

5 big holes would allow air to get through and a ton of tiny holes would probably get covered up more easily. If it did work, I wouldn't see why it'd smoke any better than a normal bowl.

Always up to see new things done though! So give it a go if you can. Ask an art student to make a clay bowl for you and you're set

[Sonthert]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

[Vladimir]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

[delSol_si]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

I think this goes back to the whole is 2 small pizzas more or less than one large? You may be on to something here. Take 2(pie)xR, 2(pie)x(1/4)=(1/2)(pie), 2(pie)(1/8)=(1/4)(pie), pie is constant, so 2(1/4)pie= (1/2)(pie), (1/2)pie=(1/2)(pie), so technically 2 (1/4) holes would have the same surface area of 1 (1/2) hole. BUT, then it come back to the shisha clogging the holes, but if you stick to finely cut shisha that shouldn't be a problem. Also, you would have to take into consideration the amount of bowl space the extra amount of holes will take up. I was baking cookies awhile back and noticed putting 2 huge ass cookies on one sheet had less chance of hitting each other during expansion than having 10 small cookies.

Edit: felt I should add that Eric makes bowls and I don't, so he had more credibility and knowledge than I do in this area. I do notice that a phunnel bowl is easier to smoke than a clay bowl. phunnel has one huge hole, clay has 5 small holes, but the phunnel doesn't get clogged by shisha either. Edited June 7, 2009 by delSol_si

[K1024]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

[chromecarz00]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

[alive]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

[delSol_si]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

[chromecarz00]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

[alive]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

not sure why i was thinking squared....silly me

[delSol_si]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

Eh, fuck me. Ya you are right, I was thinking (1/2)(1/4) The sad part is that I am studying accounting and have around a 3.5 gpa Simple math always fucks me.

[delSol_si]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

Eh, fuck me. Ya you are right, I was thinking (1/2)(1/4) The sad part is that I am studying accounting and have around a 3.5 gpa Simple math always fucks me.

[delSol_si]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

Eh, fuck me. Ya you are right, I was thinking (1/2)(1/4) The sad part is that I am studying accounting and have around a 3.5 gpa Simple math always fucks me.

[fineout]

6quoted triple post...fail

[K1024]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

Eh, fuck me. Ya you are right, I was thinking (1/2)(1/4) The sad part is that I am studying accounting and have around a 3.5 gpa Simple math always fucks me.

yeah and what eric says is that .25*2 < .5 airflow wise. which is why i said you suck at math.

[delSol_si]

6quoted triple post...fail

Wow, how the fuck did that happen??? I agree, fail on me. Notice all of the times say 4:06 though... I am running dual boot on my mac, so maybe I was using the windows OS on that post, haha! Fuck windows

[delSol_si]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

Eh, fuck me. Ya you are right, I was thinking (1/2)(1/4) The sad part is that I am studying accounting and have around a 3.5 gpa Simple math always fucks me.

yeah and what eric says is that .25*2 < .5 airflow wise. which is why i said you suck at math.

True, I was just simply trying to point out that the surface area was the same, not the functionality.

[K1024]

A 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole. Its from the surface area/area ratio. The edges "drag" a static layer, the smoke actually "skates" across this static layer. The larger the volume is in relation to this static layer, the more flow you get.

So then 2 1/4" holes would be the same as one 1/2" hole. But what if you fit three?

you suck at math. Eric just said that one 1/2" hole draws more than twice as much air as a 1/4" hole.

3 would maybe allow more airflow, but 3 would take up more space...

How does he suck at math?
2 * 1/4 = 1/2
I may end up making one of these bowls next week, a buddy of mine works in ceramics.
Im also working on another mini phunnel, but no promises there. Wont be a group buy, ill just have a few made and sell them.

2 * 1/4 = 1/8. Just saying. ;]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Actually 2* 1/4 does = 1/2 .... (1/4)^2 or (1/4)x(1/4)= the (1/8)

thank you for proving me right, but doesnt 1/4 ^ 2 = 1/16?

Eh, fuck me. Ya you are right, I was thinking (1/2)(1/4) The sad part is that I am studying accounting and have around a 3.5 gpa Simple math always fucks me.

yeah and what eric says is that .25*2 < .5 airflow wise. which is why i said you suck at math.

True, I was just simply trying to point out that the surface area was the same, not the functionality.

and what eric is saying is that the surface area isnt the same.

area of a circle = Pi*radius^2

pi*.25^2 = .196
*2 = .393
*3 = .785
pi*.5^2 = .785

so 3 holes is approximately equal surface area as one .5 hole.

[Vladimir]

and the 1/2 would still get more airflow according to eric. Now if you put 3, 1/4 inch holes.... why not just put a 3/4 inch opening instead and get more airflow?

Well I imagine the holes are sized as they are because if they get too big they could easily get clogged with shisha and plugged. But I don't really know, it just seems logical .