Hydro Herbal Shisha Main Component?

[FamiliarJoe]

Chill the fuck out - this is a community, not your personal blog. While you were the original poster, if the members of this community would like to develop the topic to include other subtopics, let it be.

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We are a chill community here, we just talk about hookah and enjoy each others company while learning from one another.

[Genie]

Not trying to say anything negative but out of curiosity what are the benefits of smoking herbal?

For me, I just don't want to get hooked on nicotine again and I don't enjoy the nicotine hangover. I get a very mild nicotine hangover from tobacco shisha, hardly enough to complain about, but I'd rather avoid it altogether. I don't need the buzz from nicotine and don't want to start needing it.

However, I've yet to try the herbal stuff, still waiting for my order, for all I know the "hangover" effect I've experienced is due to the carbon monoxide and tar and not the nicotine. Guess I'll find out!

[FamiliarJoe]

Not trying to say anything negative but out of curiosity what are the benefits of smoking herbal?

For me, I just don't want to get hooked on nicotine again and I don't enjoy the nicotine hangover. I get a very mild nicotine hangover from tobacco shisha, hardly enough to complain about, but I'd rather avoid it altogether. I don't need the buzz from nicotine and don't want to start needing it.

However, I've yet to try the herbal stuff, still waiting for my order, for all I know the "hangover" effect I've experienced is due to the carbon monoxide and tar and not the nicotine. Guess I'll find out!

hmm that sounds like...something else. The amount of nicotine is most shisha "to my knowledge" shouldn't give you any sort of hangover. Just a mild buzz MAYBE and then it should just wear over a short amount of time. Im sure it's different for everyone though.

[Genie]

hmm that sounds like...something else. The amount of nicotine is most shisha "to my knowledge" shouldn't give you any sort of hangover. Just a mild buzz MAYBE and then it should just wear over a short amount of time. Im sure it's different for everyone though.

Al Fakher gave me a major buzz first time out. The next time wasn't as strong, minor buzz that didn't last nearly as long. I don't like that I got used to it that fast. It took me ages to get off cigarettes, a long and painful battle, I LOVED nicotine. I still love it. I don't want to be hooked again. I definitely don't want a tolerance for it, as I seem to already be developing again. Cigarette and cigar hangovers were much worse for me. Can't deny the mild shisha hangover though.

I'm not one to kid myself, for me, nicotine is something to tread lightly with.

[BLUE&GOLD]

Not trying to say anything negative but out of curiosity what are the benefits of smoking herbal?

For me, I just don't want to get hooked on nicotine again and I don't enjoy the nicotine hangover. I get a very mild nicotine hangover from tobacco shisha, hardly enough to complain about, but I'd rather avoid it altogether. I don't need the buzz from nicotine and don't want to start needing it.

However, I've yet to try the herbal stuff, still waiting for my order, for all I know the "hangover" effect I've experienced is due to the carbon monoxide and tar and not the nicotine. Guess I'll find out!

dont know about Hydro, but ive smoked Saalaam herbal shisha and I don't get any buzz at all and i'm a light-weight when it comes to buzzes(i'm pretty sure i'd get annihilated by Tangiers if i try it)

[Genie]

dont know about Hydro, but ive smoked Saalaam herbal shisha and I don't get any buzz at all and i'm a light-weight when it comes to buzzes(i'm pretty sure i'd get annihilated by Tangiers if i try it)

That's exactly why I purchased Saalaam and Hydro. No nicotine = No buzz.

[TizaNabi]

I went to "Hydro Herbal com. 's website to find answers.
http://www.alibaba.com/member_site.html?ur...www.alibaba.com

They say the flavours are based on "organic herb" . {Read above}
While its important to us all knowing what is in our smokes, i.e. the tin foil, the charcoal, the effect on our bodies, minds, behaviour and our pets. Does it lower the libido?
We as once newbies delved into the ingredients of what is in the traditional shishas, charcoal, foil, flavours additions, colours etc and if someone was sceptical she/he would not be on the forum. So we decided that shisha ingredients (healthwise) are not "Haram" or "Trayf" and we're still running full speed to find the ultimate brand.
Since "Hydro" is relatively new it needs of course to be "Kosher" in our head and then we can file that question away.
How about the 10 year research done on traditional tobacco shisha ? Tests were done on male Blue Whales after they showed signs of growing very gargantuan sized mammaries . Tests were done on many male Blue Whales and it was suspected that only the whales who smoked hookah were growing...breasts! So keep an open mind.

[freeOS]

I went to "Hydro Herbal com. 's website to find answers.
http://www.alibaba.com/member_site.html?ur...www.alibaba.com

They say the flavours are based on "organic herb" . {Read above}
While its important to us all knowing what is in our smokes, i.e. the tin foil, the charcoal, the effect on our bodies, minds, behaviour and our pets. Does it lower the libido?
We as once newbies delved into the ingredients of what is in the traditional shishas, charcoal, foil, flavours additions, colours etc and if someone was sceptical she/he would not be on the forum. So we decided that shisha ingredients (healthwise) are not "Haram" or "Trayf" and we're still running full speed to find the ultimate brand.
Since "Hydro" is relatively new it needs of course to be "Kosher" in our head and then we can file that question away.
How about the 10 year research done on traditional tobacco shisha ? Tests were done on male Blue Whales after they showed signs of growing very gargantuan sized mammaries . Tests were done on many male Blue Whales and it was suspected that only the whales who smoked hookah were growing...breasts! So keep an open mind.

Neither the link nor the excerpt answer any questions.

[Genie]

Neither the link nor the excerpt answer any questions.

That was my thinking. I thoroughly checked out the Hydro website and found it extremely vague on product ingredients.

It bothers me that they can classify sugarcane bagasse as an herb or flavoring. I've never seen Soex shisha with my own eyes--but it's definitely fattened up with sugarcane bagasse, says so on the label no matter how they choose to spell it. Seems to me that visually comparing the fibers in Hydro or Saalaam to what's in Soex might be somewhat telling, although hardly defniitive.

I just wish they'd try using bagasse from something else, like agave. But maybe that doesn't burn well, or perhaps there aren't enough agave products (that produce the byproduct bagasse) manufactured to produce enough bagasse for herbal shisha makers to buy it cost effectively.

However, as there have been no studies on the effects of smoking bagasse, only inhaling the particles, I'm just going to go on with my bad self and smoke my Hydro and Saalaam in peace and with pleasure. Edited June 17, 2009 by Genie

[freeOS]

Neither the link nor the excerpt answer any questions.

That was my thinking. I thoroughly checked out the Hydro website and found it extremely vague on product ingredients.

It bothers me that they can classify sugarcane bagasse as an herb or flavoring. I've never seen Soex shisha with my own eyes--but it's definitely fattened up with sugarcane bagasse, says so on the label no matter how they choose to spell it. Seems to me that visually comparing the fibers in Hydro or Saalaam to what's in Soex might be somewhat telling, although hardly defniitive.

I just wish they'd try using bagasse from something else, like agave. But maybe that doesn't burn well, or perhaps there aren't enough agave products (that produce the byproduct bagasse) manufactured to produce enough bagasse for herbal shisha makers to buy it cost effectively.

However, as there have been no studies on the effects of smoking bagasse, only inhaling the particles, I'm just going to go on with my bad self and smoke my Hydro and Saalaam in peace and with pleasure.

Those are all excellent points and I completely share your opinion, except that I'm so bothered by their evasiveness and/or omission that I won't buy any more until I find out what's really in it.

[lowspeedchase]

Neither the link nor the excerpt answer any questions.

That was my thinking. I thoroughly checked out the Hydro website and found it extremely vague on product ingredients.

It bothers me that they can classify sugarcane bagasse as an herb or flavoring. I've never seen Soex shisha with my own eyes--but it's definitely fattened up with sugarcane bagasse, says so on the label no matter how they choose to spell it. Seems to me that visually comparing the fibers in Hydro or Saalaam to what's in Soex might be somewhat telling, although hardly defniitive.

I just wish they'd try using bagasse from something else, like agave. But maybe that doesn't burn well, or perhaps there aren't enough agave products (that produce the byproduct bagasse) manufactured to produce enough bagasse for herbal shisha makers to buy it cost effectively.

However, as there have been no studies on the effects of smoking bagasse, only inhaling the particles, I'm just going to go on with my bad self and smoke my Hydro and Saalaam in peace and with pleasure.

Try making your own

Oh and about your last comment... it is the nicotine giving you a 'hangover'... shisha has no tar so that's not it

Oh and to settle this debate once and for all, they use cow patties. True story.

[Genie]

Those are all excellent points and I completely share your opinion, except that I'm so bothered by their evasiveness and/or omission that I won't buy any more until I find out what's really in it.

I understand their evasiveness, what with all the controversy. Again, however, no one really knows. I can't quote my source nor can I confirm that it's true, but I remember reading that not all of the Saalaam blends contain bagasse. I'll be interested in reading the boxes and inspecting the shisha myself. My order should be in today!

I do have some Hydro though and the three flavors I have all have those "tooth pick" fiber looking bits in them. Edited June 17, 2009 by Genie

[Genie]

Try making your own

Oh and about your last comment... it is the nicotine giving you a 'hangover'... shisha has no tar so that's not it

Oh and to settle this debate once and for all, they use cow patties. True story.

Talking to me? I'm well aware that it's the nicotine giving me the hangover. I know that from experience. Heck, I get a hangover from second hand smoke. That's why I'm so excited about the herbal shishas.

As for cow patties, hey, I know what our cows eat. If I had to smoke it, I would. Our cows eat healthy! Nothing scary in their poop at all.

[Genie]

Try making your own

At some point, I probably will. Just don't have a clue what to use in place of tobacco or bagasse. SOMETHING has to burn. Guess I could Google around for what they put in herbal cigarettes. I suppose I could use corn husks or something like that.

[lowspeedchase]

Try making your own

At some point, I probably will. Just don't have a clue what to use in place of tobacco or bagasse. SOMETHING has to burn. Guess I could Google around for what they put in herbal cigarettes. I suppose I could use corn husks or something like that.

Many of the herbals do already, use corn husk that is... you seem to be pretty good with making things (that thread about what things people do, you mentioned canning and something else?) if you ever experiment keep us in the loop!

[Genie]

Many of the herbals do already, use corn husk that is... you seem to be pretty good with making things (that thread about what things people do, you mentioned canning and something else?) if you ever experiment keep us in the loop!

We'll see... I'd want to use organic corn husks. The pesticides they use are scary! I do like making stuff so you never know. I'm glad Saalaam is organic. So if it gives me a horrible pulmonary disease, at least I'll know it was organically caused.

[Woodsytheowl]

Goddamnit. You still don't see.

Someone asks a ingredient. A bunch of helpful fuckers chime in about totally unrelated shit and sully up the thread.

For my money it's not even sugar cane so everything you and like 4 other people added has zero to do with anything.

Chill the fuck out - this is a community, not your personal blog. While you were the original poster, if the members of this community would like to develop the topic to include other subtopics, let it be.

This is a pretty interesting argument Zinite considering you were borderline trolling on his question. Maybe you should both relax. I don't think calling someone a 'fucker' or to 'chill the fuck out' is going give you any resolution.