An Idea On Solving Tangiers Issues

[The Caterpillar]

Acclimation issues aside, I think it would be a great idea if Eric could write something up on EXACTLY how they do what they do best in Oddessey.

And I mean retard-proof when I think of this. A measurement exactly of the grams of shisha per size of Tangiers bowl, the exact brand of coals, if they are cut, if they are cooled before setting them on the shisha, coal rotation, windguard/screen/foil setup. Give us a write-up in the same way that you would instruct a new employee of the lounge. I want it to border on offensively exact, as if we were autistic and needing a shisha lesson to keep us from swallowing our tongues.

If we could get it stickied, it would solve the absurd amount of posts concerning Tangiers and peoples' frustrations.

I genuinely believe that it isn't an acclimation issue when it comes to Tangiers, as so many people claim; I believe it is people not giving it the attention that it needs. I personally STILL have bad sessions from being careless and I am fully aware that it is my own technique and not the shisha. I am not complaining, I just want a graduate degree in Tangiers technique. Yay or nay?

[Sonthert]

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you on all points. I leave the acclimation issue a question, I don;t have an opinion either way, really. I can;t dismiss the few legitimate claims there are, even though its not something I experienced.

Bowls vary in size, unfortunately, the amount of tobacco in a bowl should depend on the size of the bowl, not on some absolute scale, however. I will take it under advisement. Thanks for your support.

[abdelito14]

Yay...don't think it can be that black n white....but ya tangiers is complicated!

[The Caterpillar]

I definitely understand that handmade bowls vary in size. But i'm curious to know how Oddessey can get it right when a lot of people can't.

How do you guys instruct your employees to prep the bowls? I know in Salt Lake they have girls in skimpy outfits that get everything all setup for you.

I know some of them personally and they can't set the time on a clock-radio, so how would you instruct someone who is essentially a waitress to manage a dozen hookahs without letting them get harsh? Granted, they're probably using SB or some shit.

Do you have a manual, or training materials, or is it taught in person? I know this is really invasive, I just want to mimic the technique that keeps Oddessey on a reservation basis. Can we expect an official Eric guide in the near future?




PS: no, thank you for supplying a superior product... support comes naturally from that. Edited June 24, 2009 by The Caterpillar

[Arcane]

ColibriDon has a packing video that shows the way Eric taught him. That should be good right?

[shesha1]

But dont u get some nice satisfaction when you do get it right?

[Hookie The Hookah]

I don't doubt that acclimation can be the issue, but it seems pretty intuitive that having the inventor of a shisha explain exactly how he packs and maintains that shisha would be a good idea...

[mjdx88]

I don't doubt that acclimation can be the issue, but it seems pretty intuitive that having the inventor of a shisha explain exactly how he packs and maintains that shisha would be a good idea...

Acclimation is a major issue for some people. I have had 1 or 2 bags ready to smoke only after about an hour of sitting out. They even smelled right when I opened them. Knock on wood that I wont have an issue later. I know many many others have yet to be so lucky. But following steps that eric does,( Don's video sounds and looks like he is spot on with those steps) rules out that someone has messed up on packing. Heat management has to be learned and just talking about it online doesnt mean we know exactly what trouble a person is having.

[mjdx88]

I know this isnt erics way, I'll see if I can dig it up, but the Mod snoopy had a great method of packing Tang. This was the first way I started to pack it and I have had success since then.


EDIT: I believe this is it. Its not the best but listen to what he says it works.
http://www.hookahforum.com/?showtopic=20980
Edited June 25, 2009 by mjdx88

[mattarios2]

If you claim that you were putting acclimation aside why would you say

"I genuinely believe that it isn't an acclimation issue when it comes to Tangiers, as so many people claim; I believe it is people not giving it the attention that it needs. I personally STILL have bad sessions from being careless and I am fully aware that it is my own technique and not the shisha. I am not complaining, I just want a graduate degree in Tangiers technique. Yay or nay?"

Right there you are stating it isn't acclimation issues people deal with.

If that paragraph wasn't there I wouldn't have made the comment.

But you say putting aside acclimation issues ... then at the end of the post you say you truly think that isn't the issue.

So ... ? I wasn't trying to get on his case at all did i flip out about him wanting to know eric's method? No, did i bitch about anything else he said? No ... i just made a response to his last paragraph ...

And i wasn't fired up at all ... i just think its funny people say they don't "truly" think acclimation is the issue ... it probably isn't for most ... for me it is.

But on topic ... i think its a great idea, definitely would help a lot of people.

[AmunRa]

Easy gents.

People will always be posting new threads about Tangiers problems they are having without regard to the search function of the forum. I do agree, however, that it would be nice to have a guide put up permanently for easy access, or having existing threads put into their own catagory. The alternative is getting people to use the search function, and that will probably never happen unless the banhammer dictates it to be as such.

[ilikemyusername]

Wait wait wait...
If we're stickying tangiers packing methods, shouldnt we stickie packing methods for ALL brands of shisha? Do we want to look like wer'e affiliated more officially with tangiers than soex?

[Hookie The Hookah]

The creator of Soex is not a mod here. Nor does anyone smoke that, don't be silly...

[Lunatic768]

Wait wait wait...
If we're stickying tangiers packing methods, shouldnt we stickie packing methods for ALL brands of shisha? Do we want to look like wer'e affiliated more officially with tangiers than soex?

i think there should be be packing methods for all brands stickied
that being said, tangiers is probably the trickiest and most loved by this forum
= it comes first

[momatik]

Wait wait wait...
If we're stickying tangiers packing methods, shouldnt we stickie packing methods for ALL brands of shisha? Do we want to look like wer'e affiliated more officially with tangiers than soex?

That's true...if all shishas were as tricky to pack as Tangiers is.

Tangiers is the only shisha that requires a packing method tutorial. We already have a tangiers wiki.

We wouldn't be more affiliated with tangiers than we already are.

[Arcane]

i think most shisha can be packed a majority of ways and get it to smoke right. so, tutorials would be too abundant and not 1 is guaranteed to work better than the other. However I do believe Tangiers should get it's own packing thread stickied. Tangiers would be the exception, because it requires a somewhat specific way to be packed in order to get it to smoke well.

also, as far as acclimation - i do believe it is an issue. my cocoa is stubborn and falls in and out of acclimation several times a day. in fact, i'm still on my first 250g package from February because i have to catch it at the right time. but, if it smells good yet doesn't smoke well, i believe its user-error.

[mushrat]

I have packed somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000+ bowls of tangiers and guys and gals, it aint rocket science. Really. I have never had a batch not accilmate in a day or 2, and believe me, I buy the stuff in 40-70 KILO lots. I live in North Carolina where if you don't like the weather you wait 10 minutes. Ive had my stuff need re-accimation now and then on really weird weather weeks, and it has always come back to normal.

The single biggest issue i have encountered with tangiers, be it in a mini phunnel, a small phunnel, a medium phunnel, a standard Mya, a large Mya, a smiley's Pyrex, using exotica fingers, japs, coconara, CH, 3 kings, Nours, 4 or 5 no name fingers and coconut coals, and a variety of bulk charcaols is HEAT. I am constantly astounded when i see pictures of how people smoke their tangiers and talk to them on chat or aim or the phone at just how much coal folks put on this tobacco. It isn't like ANY other tobacco in the world. You can't just treat every tobacco the same and expect them all to smoke properly. SB takes a lower heat than AF, Layalina and nakhla take more than AF, Tangiers takes the least amount of coal of any tobacco you can imagine. So dont poke holes where you can see the tobacco under the foil, plop 2 ql's on it and wonder why its harsh.

Thank you and good night.

[ilikemyusername]

I have packed somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000+ bowls of tangiers and guys and gals, it aint rocket science. Really. I have never had a batch not accilmate in a day or 2, and believe me, I buy the stuff in 40-70 KILO lots. I live in North Carolina where if you don't like the weather you wait 10 minutes. Ive had my stuff need re-accimation now and then on really weird weather weeks, and it has always come back to normal.

The single biggest issue i have encountered with tangiers, be it in a mini phunnel, a small phunnel, a medium phunnel, a standard Mya, a large Mya, a smiley's Pyrex, using exotica fingers, japs, coconara, CH, 3 kings, Nours, 4 or 5 no name fingers and coconut coals, and a variety of bulk charcaols is HEAT. I am constantly astounded when i see pictures of how people smoke their tangiers and talk to them on chat or aim or the phone at just how much coal folks put on this tobacco. It isn't like ANY other tobacco in the world. You can't just treat every tobacco the same and expect them all to smoke properly. SB takes a lower heat than AF, Layalina and nakhla take more than AF, Tangiers takes the least amount of coal of any tobacco you can imagine. So dont poke holes where you can see the tobacco under the foil, plop 2 ql's on it and wonder why its harsh.

Thank you and good night.

my issues arent with harshness.

[mushrat]

I have packed somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000+ bowls of tangiers and guys and gals, it aint rocket science. Really. I have never had a batch not accilmate in a day or 2, and believe me, I buy the stuff in 40-70 KILO lots. I live in North Carolina where if you don't like the weather you wait 10 minutes. Ive had my stuff need re-accimation now and then on really weird weather weeks, and it has always come back to normal.

The single biggest issue i have encountered with tangiers, be it in a mini phunnel, a small phunnel, a medium phunnel, a standard Mya, a large Mya, a smiley's Pyrex, using exotica fingers, japs, coconara, CH, 3 kings, Nours, 4 or 5 no name fingers and coconut coals, and a variety of bulk charcaols is HEAT. I am constantly astounded when i see pictures of how people smoke their tangiers and talk to them on chat or aim or the phone at just how much coal folks put on this tobacco. It isn't like ANY other tobacco in the world. You can't just treat every tobacco the same and expect them all to smoke properly. SB takes a lower heat than AF, Layalina and nakhla take more than AF, Tangiers takes the least amount of coal of any tobacco you can imagine. So dont poke holes where you can see the tobacco under the foil, plop 2 ql's on it and wonder why its harsh.

Thank you and good night.

my issues arent with harshness.

the issue is with a sticky..

We cater to the needs of the community. If the community needs a packing sticky i'll consider it for any brand. Id prefer people just searched around mind you, or watched any number of video's in the video section, but hey, no matter WHAT brand it is, if peopl eneed help, we'll help.

I think it's time to close this topic so we can clean up the p[ost forgetting rule #1. Hand out the necessary vacations, and then perhaps re-open it.

[Canon]

Fixed it, one ban necessary everyone else is in the clear.

[Sonthert]

Jeez! This thread needs an exorcism.

I did post 8-10 pictures on how to pack Tangiers a couple years ago, I guess people forgot I posted them. I hate saying "Use the search function", its kinda pointless to say it. If I had, say 1000 posts, it might be easier to find, but I have had zero success finding old threads I wrote, so I kinda gave up (when I had 5000 posts). Sorry. Maybe I still have them on my computer!

There are people that genuinely believe that they have acclimation issues that don't seem to ever correct themselves. I have two general options.

A. I can say "I know everything and I can stop trying to learn more. There are no acclimation issues.", dismiss the people who seem to honestly believe there is a recurrent problem, close my eyes and simplify my life.

B. I can say "Maybe there is a factor I don't understand and I want to learn more about the world around me and help people to get better results from Tangiers." and put a little more work and effort in.

I am unsure about the validity of the claims, but several of the people making them seem reasonably veracious, so I will accept their reports at face value and look for a common thread that might explain the phenomena.

Some people are going to try Tangiers and not like it. If I were granted one wish, I might just wish to make something that was all things to all people and everyone would like it. Unfortunately, living in the real world, there are people that aren't going to like Tangiers.

That being said, there are other people who like to sling shit at Tangiers, claim they have tried it, when I can plainly tell they have not. That's fine, I'd prefer you didn't defame the name Tangiers with your bullshit lies, but I have some modicum of tolerance in most matters. If a particular person becomes a pain in my ass, and I believe they are full of it, I will call them out. If you get your rocks off talking shit about things you don't have the first clue about, stay out of my field of vision or don't mention Tangiers.

If you have a legitimate problem with Tangiers, ask. PM me, ask some other members, get the information you need to make it work, I think you might just like it. If you haven't tried Tangiers, there are other members who might trade with you, find a sale, or what have you. Just desist in complaining about it when you haven't tried it. Some people might not like me, or that its made in the United States of America, that its made with molasses, or doesn't have artificial color or come in metal cans. Whatever. You can say "I don't like sheesha that doesn't come in nice packaging." Thats fine.

I'd like to respectfully ask others, to shit on other people's opinions or question people's intelligence or competence if they don't like Tangiers or can't get it to work for them. Its reflexive. I'm asking people who haven't tried Tangiers to stop bashing it, people shouldn't bash people for not having tried Tangiers or people who can't seem to get it right. If you want to keep trying, I'll help you as much as possible.

Moreover, you know what? If you haven't tried Tangiers, its no big deal, you can still know tons about all sorts of sheesha and have never tried Tangiers. If somebody hasn't tried Tangiers, thats no big deal. If you don't ever want to try Tangiers, thats fine too, if you're cool, I got no problem with that. Tangiers is not the end-all be-all. Its just another brand of tobacco. Good in some ways, not good in others, like every other brand out there.

Sorry for the post, I realized lately I've been tired of all these problems. Today, I realized I'm not tired of people with legitimate Tangiers problems (like Familiar Joe...sorry for getting frustrated), its the people who are full of shit (and I know are full of shit) are the ones that are getting on my nerves...so if you fall into that category, proceed at your own risk.

Thanks,
Your humble Tangiers-guy.

[Sonthert]

I found the old post, but I used Photoshack or something and the pictures were deleted.

How to pack Tangiers Bowl

I am sure that I have them still.

[ilikemyusername]

+1 Eric!

[evilded777]

I have packed somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000+ bowls of tangiers and guys and gals, it aint rocket science. Really. I have never had a batch not accilmate in a day or 2, and believe me, I buy the stuff in 40-70 KILO lots. I live in North Carolina where if you don't like the weather you wait 10 minutes. Ive had my stuff need re-accimation now and then on really weird weather weeks, and it has always come back to normal.

The single biggest issue i have encountered with tangiers, be it in a mini phunnel, a small phunnel, a medium phunnel, a standard Mya, a large Mya, a smiley's Pyrex, using exotica fingers, japs, coconara, CH, 3 kings, Nours, 4 or 5 no name fingers and coconut coals, and a variety of bulk charcaols is HEAT. I am constantly astounded when i see pictures of how people smoke their tangiers and talk to them on chat or aim or the phone at just how much coal folks put on this tobacco. It isn't like ANY other tobacco in the world. You can't just treat every tobacco the same and expect them all to smoke properly. SB takes a lower heat than AF, Layalina and nakhla take more than AF, Tangiers takes the least amount of coal of any tobacco you can imagine. So dont poke holes where you can see the tobacco under the foil, plop 2 ql's on it and wonder why its harsh.

Thank you and good night.

Hallelujah, Mush.

[mjdx88]

Thanks for digging up that old post eric! I know which pictures your talking about I saw them when I first joined a little over a year ago. I think someone used them on their site not to long ago. Giving no credit to you >.<