LukeLukeLuke Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hello,I smoke a Mya Vortex, nammor hose, al fakher shisha, and al fakher coals. Recently I purchased the small tangiers phunnel bowl. I also purchased a glass scalli mod from MNH. I am disappointed by their performance so far and I'm not sure if it's user error or just a bad product.Compared to the stock Mya ceramic bowl I'm getting half as much smoke, and not good thick smoke, thin wispy smoke. Also, hits from the phunnel bowl are super hot. I can't get a good hit without it burning unbearably. The only positive from the phunnel is that it does seem to amplify the two apples taste.I tried the bowl with and without the scalli mod and it performed slightly better without it. I do two rings of holes, one near the outside one near the inside, with three or four holes between the rings.If anyone can let me in on the secret of optimizing the small phunnel bowl I'd really appreciate it.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combs08 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Since it's harsh, your burning it. And you say that you get thin smoke. I would check your packing techinque. Are you over or underpacking it? Also, what brand are you smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Search bar at the top.............type in how to pack a phunnel bowl........heat management is key..........hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Eric shows how to pack a phunnell. Click it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryno Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (tpatt90 @ Aug 10 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Eric shows how to pack a phunnell. Click it.Thats for Tangiers, you dont need AF to be that thick. You said the smoke was hot? Where are your coals on the bowl and how many? Also, AF needs to be fluffed to the rim. Sounds like the foil may be getting sucked down over the middle hole too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think the mya bowl is perfect for al fahker.Maybee also pick up small conservation egyption bowl for one coal sessions.I've tried the new bowl designs and I'm not impressed.Keep it real and don't believe the hype.Egyptian FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 yeah...a bowl that keeps in the juice which contain the flavor and smoke components is hype? LOL...just play around with levels of packing. Your sessions will last twice as long with more flavor and smoke once you figure it out. Its not hype, its physics and logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killersOh ok...for a while I thought you were going to make real points. Guess random concept shifts are all youve got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 gonna have to go out and say it the phunnel is the shit and when used properly it is vastly superior to a standard egyptian bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinodos Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I do have to say that I do notice alot of difference in the flavor and thickness in my smoke while using a phunnel bowl and diffuser. And I have tested for myself and noticed that using a diffuser with an egyptian bowl helps flavor. thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yea I guess if your into smoking the goop and not the tobacco.When your ready to come on over to flavor country you'll come on over to egypt and its fine nakhla smoked old school style without the bells and whistles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svaals Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killersThe point of the scalli mod is to direct the air directly through all of the tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (Svaals @ Aug 10 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killersThe point of the scalli mod is to direct the air directly through all of the tobacco.+1 I never use my phunnel w/o the mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (Scoop @ Aug 10 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killersOh ok...for a while I thought you were going to make real points. Guess random concept shifts are all youve got.Lol scoop, your response made me laugh, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyk Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (hookah hippie @ Aug 10 2009, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>gonna have to go out and say it the phunnel is the shit and when used properly it is vastly superior to a standard egyptian bowlI have to agree that the phunnel bowl is far superior to an Egyptian. 2-3 hour regular for some sessions and longer never happens unless I'm using the phunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 that was funny.what I meant is that I'm sure its been done before and it failed.I agree new phunnel not performing well...Put it on the shelf with all the other bells & wistles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that was funny.what I meant is that I'm sure its been done before and it failed.I agree new phunnel not performing well...Put it on the shelf with all the other bells & wistlesI wasn't trying to get down on you by any means, everyone is entitled to their opinions, that is what makes the world great. What do you mean by new phunnel? I thought there were only 4 phunnels, Tang, chinese, havana, and mnh glass? Is there a new design out there I am not aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Ohh yes, theres this new upside down swirl enhanced vortex phunnel bowl that just hit the market.Its made by www.jumponthebandwagon.com I suggest everyone get one now.Sorry my sarcasim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ohh yes, theres this new upside down swirl enhanced vortex phunnel bowl that just hit the market.Its made by www.jumponthebandwagon.com I suggest everyone get one now.Sorry my sarcasimAss ...I actually clicked on the link cause I thought you were serious. Fail on my part. I'm still lost about what you are calling "the new phunnel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vqturbo Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Sorry but i fail to see your argument, a std. egyptian smokes better than a phunnel? I never follow the hype until i prove it myself. I used 2 hookahs, with the same Tobacco, same hoses and the only differences were the bowls, the phunnel had better performances in flavor and longevity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeLukeLuke Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 I'll keep working on the packing technique. Would upgrading to a bigger phunnel bowl be a good idea for a beginner?Also, I'll go ahead and agree that the phunnel does increase flavor and longevity. My issues are smoke amount and smoke quality.Thanks for the feedback keep it coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) OP: it really does sound like you're just burning the tobacco. the phunnel does work well, so its normally user error. just keep practicing. also, don't bother with the bigger phunnel yet. just work with what you've got.twoapples: i wouldn't classify the phunnel as a "bells & whistles" type device...it's an innovation. it's very successful in prolonging sessions and getting some tobaccos to smoke better. i think it would be safe to assume that any wetter tobacco, will smoke longer and with more flavor later down the line in a phunnel than an egyptian. it just seems like common sense. in an egyptian bowl, the juice will run down the stem thus drying out the tobacco faster...in a phunnel, the juice will be constantly re-absorbed by the tobacco until it gets all burned up. Edited August 11, 2009 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I used the med tangiers phunnel for awhile and it worked OK at best.I smoked nakhla,tangiers,al fahker,romman out of it.And after a good long stretch of using it I switched back to my old egyptian and I was blown away at how much better good old fashond egyptian bowls were.You would think that holding all that juicy goop would help it smoke better but I believe all that juicy goop prevents the tobacco from smoking correctly.lukelukeluke--good luck with the phunnel You'll get some good sessions and some great sessions and a lot of just ok sessions and a whole lot of wasted tobacco at the bottom of the bowl.Just remember to throw on an egyptian bowl on once and awhile for a perfect smoke everytime.Even better yet get a small egyptian conservation bowl and smoke more fresh bowls more often.A big 3-4 hour bowl that requires 2-3 sets of coals will never be as good as 3-4 small bowls lasting the same amount of time using half the coals packed fresh everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voski Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Ja5OUPeac thats my vid good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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