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Hello,
I smoke a Mya Vortex, nammor hose, al fakher shisha, and al fakher coals. Recently I purchased the small tangiers phunnel bowl. I also purchased a glass scalli mod from MNH. I am disappointed by their performance so far and I'm not sure if it's user error or just a bad product.
Compared to the stock Mya ceramic bowl I'm getting half as much smoke, and not good thick smoke, thin wispy smoke. Also, hits from the phunnel bowl are super hot. I can't get a good hit without it burning unbearably. The only positive from the phunnel is that it does seem to amplify the two apples taste.
I tried the bowl with and without the scalli mod and it performed slightly better without it. I do two rings of holes, one near the outside one near the inside, with three or four holes between the rings.
If anyone can let me in on the secret of optimizing the small phunnel bowl I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks!
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Since it's harsh, your burning it. And you say that you get thin smoke. I would check your packing techinque. Are you over or underpacking it? Also, what brand are you smoking?
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QUOTE (tpatt90 @ Aug 10 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Thats for Tangiers, you dont need AF to be that thick.

You said the smoke was hot? Where are your coals on the bowl and how many? Also, AF needs to be fluffed to the rim. Sounds like the foil may be getting sucked down over the middle hole too.
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yeah...a bowl that keeps in the juice which contain the flavor and smoke components is hype? LOL...

just play around with levels of packing. Your sessions will last twice as long with more flavor and smoke once you figure it out.

Its not hype, its physics and logic.
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The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. wink.gif The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killers
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QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. wink.gif The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killers


Oh ok...for a while I thought you were going to make real points. Guess random concept shifts are all youve got.
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I do have to say that I do notice alot of difference in the flavor and thickness in my smoke while using a phunnel bowl and diffuser. And I have tested for myself and noticed that using a diffuser with an egyptian bowl helps flavor. thats just my opinion.
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QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. wink.gif The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killers


The point of the scalli mod is to direct the air directly through all of the tobacco.
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QUOTE (Svaals @ Aug 10 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. wink.gif The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killers


The point of the scalli mod is to direct the air directly through all of the tobacco.

+1 I never use my phunnel w/o the mod.
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QUOTE (Scoop @ Aug 10 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The basic phunnel design is flawed to achive full flavor the heat must pass directly through all of the tobacco. wink.gif The phunnel bowl is'nt some sort of amazing new technology If it really worked better I think the egyptians would have invented it ages ago.same goes for diffusers or should i say flavor killers


Oh ok...for a while I thought you were going to make real points. Guess random concept shifts are all youve got.

Lol scoop, your response made me laugh, thanks.
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QUOTE (hookah hippie @ Aug 10 2009, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
gonna have to go out and say it the phunnel is the shit and when used properly it is vastly superior to a standard egyptian bowl


I have to agree that the phunnel bowl is far superior to an Egyptian. 2-3 hour regular for some sessions and longer never happens unless I'm using the phunnel
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QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
that was funny.what I meant is that I'm sure its been done before and it failed.
I agree new phunnel not performing well...Put it on the shelf with all the other bells & wistles

I wasn't trying to get down on you by any means, everyone is entitled to their opinions, that is what makes the world great. What do you mean by new phunnel? I thought there were only 4 phunnels, Tang, chinese, havana, and mnh glass? Is there a new design out there I am not aware of?
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QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 10 2009, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ohh yes, theres this new upside down swirl enhanced vortex phunnel bowl that just hit the market.Its made by www.jumponthebandwagon.com I suggest everyone get one now.
Sorry my sarcasim

Ass tongue.gif ...I actually clicked on the link cause I thought you were serious. Fail on my part. I'm still lost about what you are calling "the new phunnel" sad.gif
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Sorry but i fail to see your argument, a std. egyptian smokes better than a phunnel? I never follow the hype until i prove it myself. I used 2 hookahs, with the same Tobacco, same hoses and the only differences were the bowls, the phunnel had better performances in flavor and longevity...
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I'll keep working on the packing technique. Would upgrading to a bigger phunnel bowl be a good idea for a beginner?
Also, I'll go ahead and agree that the phunnel does increase flavor and longevity. My issues are smoke amount and smoke quality.
Thanks for the feedback keep it coming!
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OP: it really does sound like you're just burning the tobacco. the phunnel does work well, so its normally user error. just keep practicing. also, don't bother with the bigger phunnel yet. just work with what you've got.

twoapples: i wouldn't classify the phunnel as a "bells & whistles" type device...it's an innovation. it's very successful in prolonging sessions and getting some tobaccos to smoke better. i think it would be safe to assume that any wetter tobacco, will smoke longer and with more flavor later down the line in a phunnel than an egyptian. it just seems like common sense. in an egyptian bowl, the juice will run down the stem thus drying out the tobacco faster...in a phunnel, the juice will be constantly re-absorbed by the tobacco until it gets all burned up. Edited by Arcane
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I used the med tangiers phunnel for awhile and it worked OK at best.I smoked nakhla,tangiers,al fahker,romman out of it.And after a good long stretch of using it I switched back to my old egyptian and I was blown away at how much better good old fashond egyptian bowls were.
You would think that holding all that juicy goop would help it smoke better but I believe all that juicy goop prevents the tobacco from smoking correctly.

lukelukeluke--good luck with the phunnel You'll get some good sessions and some great sessions and a lot of just ok sessions and a whole lot of wasted tobacco at the bottom of the bowl.Just remember to throw on an egyptian bowl on once and awhile for a perfect smoke everytime.Even better yet get a small egyptian conservation bowl and smoke more fresh bowls more often.A big 3-4 hour bowl that requires 2-3 sets of coals will never be as good as 3-4 small bowls lasting the same amount of time using half the coals packed fresh everytime.
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