ilikemyusername Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 So, after buying a kilo of tangiers over the last 2 years and every time being slightly less disapointed than the last, I decided to do a trade with Arcane.Part of this trade was an unopened OG horchata.I opened the horchata, smelled freaking great! more like an atomic fireball than cinamon rice milk but what the hell i thought, smoke it! I expected it to turn bland on me and need acclimation, but nope, it still smelled good. come to think of it I didnt open it for a day after I got it and I could smell it through the plastic... anyway, I open it, everything smells great.I pack my small phunnel, overpack it a bit actually, foil it and poke my holes.I slap 2 HJ coals on the edges and start smoking, tastes freaking wonderful but I wasnt getting much smoke.I moved the coals more inward and smoked for a few minutes and out of nowhere I started hacking up a lung.after that I could not get the heat right, figuring I burned it I let the bowl cool down a bit, added another layer of foil, poked holes and put the coals back on.same result.next day, new technique. I packed tangiers in a regular egyptian bowl this time. knowing its low heat tolerance I packed it over the rim, double foiled it put one coal on very gingerly and took my first puff...not a whole lot of smoke,great flavor but theres the coughing again, so I said "man fudge this"next day different idea. I decided tonight I would smoke Eskanderani apple cinnamon, knowing this tobacco seems to be burning at anything above room temperature I decided to put a little afeskapple in the bottom of a mya bowl, sprinkle a goodly ammount of horchata in the middle and top it with afeskapple.I smoked that for about 10 minutes and couldnt taste any horchata but then started coughing, and coughing. it tasted more like a burning cigrette than apple cinnamon, what the hell? is this normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) damn, sorry Johnny...not quite sure what's going on. i do notice i tend to cough some, when smoking horchata. but, the odd thing is...i cough when the heat is too low for the bowl...normally, i'll add a windcover or another coal and for some reason, it smoothes out. can't that it'll be the same for you, but probably won't hurt to give it a shot...try to smoke the Tasty Peach and let me know how that goes...if you cough with that one, it may be something wrong with your packing. Edited August 12, 2009 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 will do, and i just want to sa, for the record that tasty peach smells better than sex! edit; more heat I will give it a shot, but if i die I'm gonna haunt you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 uh oh! well, if you do end up haunting me...you can watch me enjoy a good bowl of horchata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 sorry for the bad sessions dude hope they get much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 oh, johnny...try this too...small phunnel + overpacked a little + 3 HJ coals in a triangle pattern + pull immediately. if there's a tickle...try to let the bowl sit with the coals on for a couple of minutes....then, try another pull. after that, it should even out...hopefully. if it doesn't even out after 10 minutes....ergh...dunno what to tell you. probably packing...not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'll have to try letting it even out and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidglass Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 YES it's normal how are you not getting this? lol jpWell Horchata has always tickled my throat more than other flavors of Tangiers, so it sounds about normal, but as far as the burning here is my opinion.just pick up a nice big pinch of tangiers and drop it in the bowl until it's filled then use a fork to clear off the shisha to about level with the rim and push lightly down with the fork until the shisha is barely below the rim.Then poke holes to your content and put on some coals, ON THE OUTSIDE don't put anything in the middle. I'm sure you know this but just emphasizing for any future readers of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 How are your holes in the foil? I never got noir to smoke right until I got the holes poked over the center of the phunnel right also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 the thing with tangiers is you can have little smoke and all of it be harsh, when that happens you need to add more coal. once you start getting good smoke you need to move the coals a little towards the outside of the bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 see, heres the thing though, its not harsh, and theres no tickle, its like a donkey kick in the chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 is it normal for lungs to burn and hack from tangiers?simply put yesdon't get me wrong I love some tangiers flavors but I get way more bad bowls than good ones and its not from human error.recently moved from wyoming where I had pretty good results with tangiers to the great lakes area and Tangiers went to the crapper.Gonna order some when winter comes to see if the less humidity will help.I think tangiers is a great product but is still way to inconsistant.I mean come on should smoking it depend on the weather.On a side note Nakhla seems to perform even better in the high humidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (twoapplesplease @ Aug 12 2009, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>is it normal for lungs to burn and hack from tangiers?simply put yesdon't get me wrong I love some tangiers flavors but I get way more bad bowls than good ones and its not from human error.if the tobacco is acclimated and the session goes bad...guess what? it's pretty much human error.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Trust me Its not human error I've been smoking hookah 3 times a day for 14 years.I know how to acclimate tangiers.I know how to pack tangiers.I know how to manage the heat with tangiers.Look around the boards and youll find plenty of people having problems with tangiers.When I was in wyoming my tangiers would acclimate and smoke very well most of the time(95%).And I thought everyone that had problems acclimating it was doing something wrong.But when I got to upper michigan tangiers will not acclimate and smokes like a burning shoe.Granted its about 95% humidity here I'm sure it will smoke fine in the winter when the humidity drops to practily nothing.I'm pretty bummed myself kashmir apple is one of my favorites.all I'm saying is that tangiers is a great product and I will order it agin but this whole acclimation period and waiting for the weather to be just right is a bit annoying.You should be able to open a package and smoke it without doing anything to it.Tangiers has givin me the best bowl ever and the worst bowl ever, too inconsistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 when it's acclimated, you get great bowls...don't try to smoke it when it's not acclimated...you're obviously not going to get a good session. but, i do agree with you. the acclimation process is wearing thin on me too...i may have to revert back to smoking lucid again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 [quote name='Arcane' date='Aug 12 2009, 07:47 AM' post='395404']when it's acclimated, you get great bowls...Thats just it.I have had to wait weeks for it to acclimate you get a few good bowls then the weather changes and it goes to crap agin for the next week.Or here in the U.P. I don't think it will ever acclimate outside of the winter months.when you do get a good bowl of tangiers it is really good.This problem needs to be solved by the manfacturer.I'm not sure whats the difference between OG tangiers and nakhla but there both unwashed tobacco And I've never had to acclimate nakhla.maybee its the water content,acts like a buffer zone or something.I hope winter comes soon so I can smoke kashmir apple agin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 the water idea makes sense but i performed my own little test, i have a dehumidifier in my basement ... i let nakhla sit open for a couple days to see if it dried out more each day, with mizo and og, the og stayed just as oily and the mizo stayed just as juicy, no change, but when i let fusion or AF sit out ... it became much drier within 3-4 days.Tang also i used to let it sit out to acclimate for weeks and weeks and it would only become dry when the climate changed, but it would always go back and forth from a drier state to a juicy state, it never actually "lost" its juices.So id say nak and tang are both low in water content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shisha fan Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (Arcane @ Aug 12 2009, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>when it's acclimated, you get great bowls...maybe. but it simply won`t acclimate in some places no matter what you do.i agree with twoapples, tangiers is very inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 thin and harsh, youre underpacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColibriDon Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 QUOTE (Scoop @ Aug 12 2009, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thin and harsh, youre underpacking.+1That's usually the problem. To quote Eric, "Whenever people see me pack a bowl, they always say, 'I never put that much tobacco in'" It's true. Once you have the bowl packed to the level you think is correct, push the foil down on the top, if it squishes down easily and you see the outline of the center hole with little force, you underpacked. After pressing the foil down, the dip in the foil should be about 1-2 quarters down (i.e., the thickness of 1-2 quarters). Try it out. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 I have tasty peach smoking very nicely at the moment, I'm completely satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 man, the tasty peach turned foul after a halfanhour, fml. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 that prob means at first the heat was ok but the heat keep building only for you to end up burning the bowl.try less heat from the start even if the clouds arent big ... see if they build after a while ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilded777 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I've not had Tasty Peach, but I have smoked quite a bit of Horchata... and that flavor in particular can be finicky. I think it has a lower boiling point than other flavors, and if I am not careful I can very easily burn Horchata or end up with a mess all over the sides of the bowl. But I smoked it this weekend and it was sweetness defined.As far as acclimation issues, I've never had a problem with Tangiers so I can't speak to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjako Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 QUOTE (ilikemyusername @ Aug 12 2009, 05:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>see, heres the thing though, its not harsh, and theres no tickle, its like a donkey kick in the chest.This happened to my friends with Orange Soda OG when I was first getting into Tangiers.The fix? WARM water.Seriously...No, serious. If your heat / packing is good (which you WILL need to experiment to get down pat, I know use Fork method packed to below the rim, with a ton of heat at first, then leaving off as it goes along), warm water assists with the "donkey kick" of Tangiers OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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