Tangier's Phunnel Bowl Observation

[no longer welcome]

The other night I had some guests and I set up Lucid Mimnon in 3 bowls, 2 small phunnels and 1 egyptian clay. It's lucid so it can be smoked out of clay bowl, right? I noticed that me and the guy that we using phunnels were getting a great amount of smoke out of the phunnels while the guy with the clay bowl was getting a decent smoke it was significantly less. I set everything up so I can say it was quite consistent. After an hour and a half we decided to try Orange Soda, again Lucid. I took the coals off the hookahs and noticed that the phunnels were cooling down at a better rate than the clay. Even while cleaning the phunnels they were cooling down and the clay wasn't. I packed the 2 phunnels and this time a medium phunnel instead of the clay. I was about to go outside again and wanted to check the clay, it was still warm, and the phunnels were completely cool again.
This is not an advertisement in anyway, but from a nightly hookah smoker I am convinced that the Tangiers Phunnel bowl is far superior to any other bowl. Don't get me started on the imitation phunnel bowls either. Now if only more hookah industry people could put some thought into making products before flooding the market with them.

[mattarios2]

Wouldn't it be a good thing for the bowls to stay warm? That means it is keeping the heat in, which makes your smoking session last longer.

My phunnel bowl stays warm for a solid 30 minutes after use.

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my guess is no. you dont want it to get hotter than the evaporation point and id assume if it stays youre when you arent pulling it will get much hotter when you are pulling. i would guess it cooling down would be similar to the way something works that we arent allowed to discuss here. although i could see rapid heating/cooling cycles being bad over the long run to the bowl.

[no longer welcome]

i am talking about after the bowls were finished and cleaned with water. the tangiers phunnel bowls were almost cool to the touch but the clay, and i ran it under water a bit extra just didn't cool down at the same speed, it actually was still warm after i walked back out to smoke.

[twoapplesplease]

Did the egyptian bowl hold as much tobacco as the phunnel?Or did the phunnel bowl hold 3 times the tobacco and use more coals?

[destructo]

well if someone develops a product, then produces it then starts selling it without researching they are a moron so id hope that it would be researched

[no longer welcome]

well if someone develops a product, then produces it then starts selling it without researching they are a moron so id hope that it would be researched

have you seen most of the products in the hookah industry?
there is way too much crap out there,

[no longer welcome]

Did the egyptian bowl hold as much tobacco as the phunnel?Or did the phunnel bowl hold 3 times the tobacco and use more coals?

pretty much the same it was a large egyptian clay vs a small phunnel. same amount of coals, that's why it was a good comparison for the amount of smoke produced.

[destructo]

well if someone develops a product, then produces it then starts selling it without researching they are a moron so id hope that it would be researched

have you seen most of the products in the hookah industry?
there is way too much crap out there,

well they should take a class on project management.

[mattarios2]

i am talking about after the bowls were finished and cleaned with water. the tangiers phunnel bowls were almost cool to the touch but the clay, and i ran it under water a bit extra just didn't cool down at the same speed, it actually was still warm after i walked back out to smoke.

I am all for the phunnel, it is the only bowls i use.

But I still am not understanding why it would be a good thing for the phunnel to cool quicker than the egyptian ...

A thing to consider is the size, wouldn't you say a small phunnel has more weight/material to it than a large clay? Maybe weigh them and see the weight difference?

I would guess that a small phunnel weighs around ... 250g? While a large clay prob weighs 125 - 150g?

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

well if someone develops a product, then produces it then starts selling it without researching they are a moron so id hope that it would be researched

have you seen most of the products in the hookah industry?
there is way too much crap out there,

well they should take a class on project management.

these compaines arnt in it for the long run, they know they wont get repeat business so they pray on noobs or even people who arnt noobs just wanting to trying there products out..and with the new people becoming hookah smokers everyday they will continue to flood the industry with there garbage until knowledgeable people such has ourselves point them in the right direction..

[destructo]

doesnt matter any sane business person would find out a ROI and a break even point and if it turns back on itself they better get out before that happens

[twoapplesplease]

Seems to me the obvious differance is in the way the bowls heat up.With better heat mangment it would be possible to get the same smoke from the egyptian bowl.This is why the egyptian bowl felt warmer than the phunnel bowl because more heat is transfered to the the bowl than the tobacco than with the phunnel bowl.
How its packed will also change the outcome greatly as its easy to pack it super densly with a phunnel and still get a good draw from the bowl ,but it requires a fine touch to get it perfect in an egyptian bowl.

I'll be ordering a small soon to try it out,but I seen no advanteges with the medium over an egyptian.Other than it just being a big bowl.

[JDHarding]

I know from tea experience that clay tea pots are the best ones for holding heat after being warmed up with hot water. The phunnel bowls aren't made with clay like the egyptian clay bowls are, therefore they don't hold heat as long. Types of clay differ too, and some clays hold heat longer due to how much mineral is in the clay.

[indian_villager]

If a bowl is made of enough material of high enough heat capacity then it would take a bit to get it started. But once it is rolling it would require very little energy to keep things going, as in you will be using less coal. One more thing i the temperature it climbs to but that can be varied by your energy input (i.e. coals) A bowl that will stay warmer longer will save you money on coals.

[Balthazar]

I know from tea experience that clay tea pots are the best ones for holding heat after being warmed up with hot water. The phunnel bowls aren't made with clay like the egyptian clay bowls are, therefore they don't hold heat as long. Types of clay differ too, and some clays hold heat longer due to how much mineral is in the clay.

This is true. I have a few Yixing-teapots, expensive, but worth it. Now I'm pondering the idea of traveling to Yixing just to have a local inhabitant make me a bowl out of the clay. To bad I won't have enough money for the travel in the foreseeable future. And too bad Zhuni-clay will soon be extinct.