rcracer_tx Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Thanks for posting this. I'm ordering several defective narbishes to fix (not looking forward to the time it takes to fix though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 QUOTE (wesclrg @ Oct 10 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (JDHarding @ Oct 10 2009, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (wesclrg @ Oct 10 2009, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>sorry for my ignorance but what is that grey rubber wrap you were using to seal everything up? m going to try this on my damaged narbish tonight i just need to make sure i have everything.It's on the narbish.. gotta take it all apart to find it.NOPE! mine is just put together with tape and a few peices of black/red fabric, this is probably why it was leaking and just unraveled itself. this kinda sucks...here ive attached a picture showing you everything i have after i dissembled my hose.The black/red fabric is the same as the grey wrap he had in his handle. Not all the colors are the same in each handle as they are really just scrap pieces. There is also tan/brown from what I've come across.QUOTE (JDHarding @ Oct 11 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (indian_villager @ Oct 11 2009, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>From experience in rebuilding things of this type glue in the hose to the handles. And just glue in the gaskets for the tips because it is easier to deep clean these things if the tips are removable.No, I strongly recommend wrapping the hose-port tip with the rubberwrap. The reason it leaks is because they DIDN'T wrap it in the first place, and only used glue, and thus it leaked. If you want the mouthtip removeable, then just skip wrapping the mouthtip. It's really not needed, but I never remove my mouthtips. I don't understand why anyone would.It leaks simply because the manufacturer used a cheap glue that comes undone. KM hoses are glued and don't come apart. So are many other hoses. The wrap is there to form a transition from the handle to the hose since there are no layers of paper to form the taper or poofs/fabric to hide the joint like in KMs and other similar hoses. It was never meant to seal anything.The are two big reasons why the original glue comes loose: it doesn't hold up to heat and it doesn't hold up to being flexed. This is true with Nammors/Razans also. The Narbish had more issues with the handle to hose joints because it is a soft/flexible joint due to the wrap.Again, I highly recommend regluing the gaskets as IV and I had commented earlier. Of the several defected Narbishes I've taken apart, that was the most common area where the glue failed (the gasket used in the hose to handle joint is a different/cheaper/rubbery material than the tip gaskets). If you wrap the joint and only tape it, the only thing holding your hose together is the tape if that gasket comes loose. Tape doesn't hold up as well nearly as a good waterproof glue, especially if you are washing these things and/or accidently tug on it.QUOTE (INCUBUSRATM @ Oct 11 2009, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is there anyway I could redo my hose but shorten or leave off the long-ass hose port end of the hose? I don't like how long it is and want to just shorten it up or somehow leave it off altogether. Think this is possible?If you want some ideas on how to rebuild it without the hose port handle, search for razan rebuild in the how-to forum. IV and I both have rebuild threads for Nammors/Razans that can help you. Also check out delsol's handle thread if you haven't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 i think i will have to do this tonite..i just got my narbish yesterday and i was told these have failures so i plug up one end and blew into the hose and i felt air escape from the handle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 thanks for making this I bought a dozen narbish hoses and a few of them are leaking it is a shame I am glad you took the time to do this thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih303 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I bought thirty of these for my lounge and have had to repair about 28 of them. IT SUCKS! It's not the taping and the gluing that gets to you, it's the re-wrapping. My hands start to cramp up and it's difficult to get the lengths right so everything comes out matching up. Anyway, here's what I've learned from repairing so many damn hoses.1. When repairing your hose, repair ALL OF IT! - not just the joint that came apart. For instance, most of ours first come apart at the base of the handle. With the first two that did this, we just repaired this junction and moved on. BAD MOVE. Inevitably, all the rest of the joints fell apart and I had to rewrap that hose like four times. Not fun. So, the moral to that story is, do like JDHarding shows in his pics - completely disassemble your Narbish straight from the get go. You'll save yourself hours and headaches.2. Tape AND Glue - whoever said the original manufacturers of these hoses used cheap materials to affix the pieces was absolutely correct. I envision a hot glue gun and some strips of trash vinyl (If you're even lucky enough to get that!). As most people know, the trick to getting a good seal with glue is to have a rough, clean surface to work with. Both the roughness and the cleanness comes from scraping off all the old glue with a blade. I used superglue since all the gluing was in locations that wouldn't come in contact with the smoke. After gluing, I tightly wrapped every joint extremely tight with electrical tape (The Hookah MacGyver's go-to tool every time). So far, I haven't had any problems with leakage or hose integrity with the hoses I've fixed.3. Get rid of that ridiculously long port handle - This is the biggest drawback of this hose to me. The weight of these things alone can cause even the stoutest of hookahs to lean and cause the hose to always want to fall out of the port. To fix this, after you've unwrapped that pipe off the port end, remove it entirely, or grab a dremmel or a small hacksaw and cut that piece to roughly the length of two grommets. (I actually like to have a little piece of the pipe there to provide something a bit more rigid to hold onto while attaching it to the port) Once you have cut your pipe, simply reglue, reassemble, retape and rewrap.Just as a side note, I've grown so tired of wrapping narbishes that I've simply ditched using the rope altogether. I've been experimenting with other materials and one I've found that absolutely everybody loves is the grip tape (black) used to wrap the handles of tennis rackets. As crazy as it sounds, it feels great to the touch and looks pretty damn clean too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 i like what you did with #3 and i agree, i have a 40'' hookah and with that long port handle it either wants to tip it over or it doesnt wana stay in the port..its too damn heavy..but as far as looks go yes it looks beautiful...just not very practical for everyday use..too be honest i keep saying im gona do the repair then chicken out cause i dont wana ruin it..and i do know it needs it and i havent even used it yet..i clog up one end and i blow air into the other end and i can feel air leaking out from the bottom of the handle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Yeah, NOB, that's what mine was doing. I don't think I'll be buying another Narbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 john says the v3's are supposed to be in stock in about a week or so..but if hes using the same people who knows what they will be like.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih303 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 It's such a shame he's had so much trouble with those hoses. They really are beautiful. I just wish he'd change the design to greatly reduce the length of the port end handle. The rope also seems to be wrapped too loosely and is constantly shifting when you push the hose into the port. Redesigning the port end and addressing the quality issues would make that hose a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Magnetic Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 New versions of the Narbish again? i just put in an order with John which was shipped out today with 2 more Narbish's (i already have 2, 1 which i repaired myself). are the current versions being shipped out still having problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 how d you remove those 2 ball tassels? do you just rip them out cause there glued in pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Yeah, the really long port handle always annoyed the fudge out of me... Couldn't use the grommet to keep it in; had to use a wet paper towel. So I suppose if they were built better (hopefully V3 will be) and the hose port handle was shorter, I MIGHT buy another one AFTER I hear everyone or most everyone's happy with theirs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Magnetic Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I think i am going to re-repair my current narbish's and just cut most of the port handle off and then re wrap it. the first time i didnt wrap it too well anyways. ill try to post some pictures when i get around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulFireX97 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 This is a nice post, I have some hoses that really could be fixed. I'll use this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih303 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Nov 3 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how d you remove those 2 ball tassels? do you just rip them out cause there glued in pretty goodI just take a blade and start working my way around where the tassel is attached to the hose careful not to cut the fabric. Not TOO careful, though. The way I see it, as long as it's not showing, it doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer welcome Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 just an update, i may have found a company locally that can repair all of the faulty stock i have. also, i am awaiting a status from egypt on the next shipment, they are behind a week, again, will keep you guys posted thanks for openly discussing and coming up with solutions,John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 i just took mines completly apart and i also dont have the gray rubber thing..just a few pieaces of some black rubber thing about 15'' long..i think electrical tape can be used has a substitute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 actually i think im gona use duct tape and then use some crazy glue where the tape ends to make sure it never comes loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 well im done..lol it took me a hour and 45 minutes..what took me the longest was wrapping it back up..man i dont know how tyler(delsol) has the patience to do this..especially with his handles that are longer and more color oriented..my hats off to you bro..also thank you to jd for doing this tutorial.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antouwan Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 QUOTE (wesclrg @ Nov 3 2009, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>New versions of the Narbish again? i just put in an order with John which was shipped out today with 2 more Narbish's (i already have 2, 1 which i repaired myself). are the current versions being shipped out still having problems?i think the main difference is that the v2 had better quality but glued in handles i think the v3 is supposed to have the better quality of the v2 but also the removable handles of the v1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 man you would think making a washable hose would be simple..a hose, 2 handles, 2 mouthpieces, glue..thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Magnetic Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) i re-wraped mine and shortened the hose port handle, cut the tube by about 1" to 1.5". smokes perfectly.instead of using electrical or duct tape i used a product called magic wrap...i will attach the image so you can identify it. picked up a roll at my local hardware store for about $5.00, its enough "tape" to repair a dozen hoses perhaps...its a solid rubber wrap that is air tight and stretches very nicely. i will post a photo of my hose in the morning.the hose works perfectly with no leaks what so ever, i am finally satisfied. Edited November 4, 2009 by wesclrg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 man im so pissed..lol i wanted to make the port end short has well and completely forgot when i had it opened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Magnetic Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) the shortened hose port handle looks fine on my medium AF solid, however i think for my other narbish i might go even smaller and maybe take off 2"-2.5" so it can fit into my friends smaller hookahs or a mya qt or bambino when i get around to ordering one. with 1" off it would still topple small hookahs over for sure. Edited November 4, 2009 by wesclrg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 i have another narbish that most likely will need repairing and i will shorten it by 50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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