detroitmak Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) So at first i was going to do a washables comparison, but after smoking, there was very little i could tell that was different between the Nammor (small), Razan, Razan Abu Mahir, and Narbish. So i decided to show you all the differences.As you can see in the first picture, the handles are all similar in length, besides the small nammor, but id assume the large nammor would be the same length too... (the large nammor is the only washable razan type hose i dont own, that and the discontinued maxura)[attachment=4303:PA140001.jpg]The mouth peices are much nicer imho on the razan and nammor then they are on the abu mahir and narbish.[attachment=4304:PA140004.jpg]And they are off![attachment=4305:PA140007.jpg] As you can see Narbish wins the length race by a huge margin, followed by the razan, nammor, and lastly abu mahir... poor old man.[attachment=4309:PA140003.jpg]The end pieces are all similar in length except the small nammor, which makes it perfect for smaller argielehs like the bambino. The razan and abu mahir are the same except the abu mahir has a small 4 inch tail design that you can see in the pictures below. The Narbish is for large hookahs only. that sucker has a foot long tail.[attachment=4306:PA140008.jpg]Finally the big differences between the abu mahir and the narbish are the length and the end piece, the abu mahir can fit in my MX fotata nice and tightly, however it is still too heavy of a hose for my fotata, i worry it will knock over...the narbish however, it is a fight to get it in, and when i did, it still wasnt tight, and my fotata could not handle the hose and fell over...I dont know if you can tell by the pictures, but the Narbish end piece is slightly bigger then the Abu Mahir, apparently makes a huge difference.[attachment=4307:PA140009.jpg][attachment=4308:PA140010.jpg]So..Mini Hookah (bambino, pumpkins, etc) - Small NammorSmall Hookahs - Razan or Small NammorMedium Hookahs - Razan, Small Nammor, Abu Mahir, Narbish*Large Hookahs - Razan, Small Nammor, Abu Mahir, NarbishX-Large Hookahs - Razan, Small Nammor, Abu Mahir, Narbish*Only if hookah is heavyOh and when you first get these hoses, they taste plasticy to smoke out of, run water through them for a couple minutes, do not use hot water. Then use a strong mint, like Mizo Mint, and the plastic taste will slowly fade away after a couple smokes. Mizo mint got rid of the taste after one use.. its a very powerful mint. Then run water through again, and let hang to dry for future smoke sessions. Edited October 14, 2009 by detroitmak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 good write up man, im glad someone took the initiative to do some comparisons so for that i thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitmak Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (RingsMaster @ Oct 14 2009, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>good write up man, im glad someone took the initiative to do some comparisons so for that i thank youThanks, hope it helps someone make up their mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynysterPhoenix Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I got the same razan hose, except it has the green handle instead of white. Looks like i made the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (SynysterPhoenix @ Oct 14 2009, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I got the same razan hose, except it has the green handle instead of white. Looks like i made the right choice.im def diggin the white though, i think they look really nice, wouldnt own one cause i know i would get it soooooo dirty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitmak Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (RingsMaster @ Oct 14 2009, 02:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (SynysterPhoenix @ Oct 14 2009, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I got the same razan hose, except it has the green handle instead of white. Looks like i made the right choice.im def diggin the white though, i think they look really nice, wouldnt own one cause i know i would get it soooooo dirtyThe razan and nammor use a pleather of sorts on the handle, it can be easily cleaned, the Abu Mahir and Narbish however use threading. The pleather can get stained, however if cleaned quickly, no stain will stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 do they all have the same ID? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih303 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Great review. I do wish you would have included the Grand Caravan, though. Although I don't really care for how they look, no doubt they are built better than all the other ones.I'm a fan of the Narbish but really don't care for that massive end on the hose where it plugs into the hookah. Even on my solid 29" KM, it makes the whole thing lean. Also, I find it's always trying to get loose and fall out because of the weight of the end. Bad idea making it that big. I think the proportions of the Razan's and nammor's is spot on. You can plut them into small and large hookahs just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitmak Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (destructo @ Oct 14 2009, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>do they all have the same ID?ID? The Razan is the only one that has a name tag if that is what you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 On My 24" AF the Narbish is quite cumbersome. Gonna see how it performs on the new Trimetal coming this Friday. As for it being hard to fit into the hose port, I use a wet paper towel. Creates a snug fit and won't come out. As for the long hose port end handle, all you have to do is rebuild the hose and take that part out, connecting the flexible hose directly to the hose port tip, leaving the whole long handle part out. I'm thinking about doing this when I rebuild my Narbish (it leaks air). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitmak Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (ih303 @ Oct 14 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Great review. I do wish you would have included the Grand Caravan, though. Although I don't really care for how they look, no doubt they are built better than all the other ones.I'm a fan of the Narbish but really don't care for that massive end on the hose where it plugs into the hookah. Even on my solid 29" KM, it makes the whole thing lean. Also, I find it's always trying to get loose and fall out because of the weight of the end. Bad idea making it that big. I think the proportions of the Razan's and nammor's is spot on. You can plut them into small and large hookahs just the same.I would look at the Abu Mahir if you like the aesthetics of the Narbish, but hate the long end. ill amend this with the grand caravan hose as soon as i get it in the mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (detroitmak @ Oct 14 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (destructo @ Oct 14 2009, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>do they all have the same ID?ID? The Razan is the only one that has a name tag if that is what you are referring to?ID refers to the wideness of the hose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 ID is inner diameter. also having a jabba the hutt hookah would be probably the coolest thing ever especially if i had a frog under it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hojo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Is there a washable hose that fits into Mya's auto-seal valves? The ball-bearing in the valves shortens the amount of hose space just enough so that my Nammor (regular, not small) can't fit in without falling out. All of my Mya hoses are rusted and I can only subject my friends to that for so long before they get the Red Lung and I start to maybe almost feel a little guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (destructo @ Oct 14 2009, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ID is inner diameter. also being jabba the hutt would be probably the coolest thing ever especially if i you ate frogs all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ih303 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (Hojo @ Oct 14 2009, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is there a washable hose that fits into Mya's auto-seal valves? The ball-bearing in the valves shortens the amount of hose space just enough so that my Nammor (regular, not small) can't fit in without falling out. All of my Mya hoses are rusted and I can only subject my friends to that for so long before they get the Red Lung and I start to maybe almost feel a little guilty.I use Razans and Grands with QT's all the time. The trick is to secure the grommet on the hose before inserting the hose into the port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The plastic tips vary from hose to hose. The Razan/Nammor have painted centers. The hose port tips on the Narbishes vary; there are both thicker and thinner ones.QUOTE (destructo @ Oct 14 2009, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>do they all have the same ID?Yes, ~1/2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 i have a nammor and i can tell you the INNER diameter isnt 1/2 an inch its closer to 3/8 to 1/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (destructo @ Oct 14 2009, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i have a nammor and i can tell you the INNER diameter isnt 1/2 an inch its closer to 3/8 to 1/4The hose does have an inner diameter of 1/2". The mouth tips are ~5/16" while the hose tips are 1/4"-9/32".Next time specify which part if you are asking specifically about one because if you ask what the general ID is, you will get the ID of the hose itself. Edited October 14, 2009 by foibled again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 generally id give the smallest ID since it would be the part that is the most restrictive. like it doesnt matter if the id was 3" on the hose if they mouth piece is 1/4" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 ?It does matter. There would be a great difference if the hose is 3" versus 1/2" while the mouth tip is 1/4". It's basic fluid dynamics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructo Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 woudlnt the fasted it coudl travel be how fast it goes through the smallest opening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitmak Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Just got the caravan in today... first impression, built solid, really nice, all cloth, mouthpiece is not detachable. I'll retake pics tonight and smoke it and compare pulls to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitmak Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (Hojo @ Oct 14 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is there a washable hose that fits into Mya's auto-seal valves? The ball-bearing in the valves shortens the amount of hose space just enough so that my Nammor (regular, not small) can't fit in without falling out. All of my Mya hoses are rusted and I can only subject my friends to that for so long before they get the Red Lung and I start to maybe almost feel a little guilty.I think the small nammor works best. if you have a small hookah and are looking for portability in a washable, the small nammor is the way to go. Razan or Abu Mahir can work if you put the hose grommet on the hose first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (destructo @ Oct 14 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>woudlnt the fasted it coudl travel be how fast it goes through the smallest opening?Technically the velocity of a fluid will increase through constrictions and the pressure drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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