fooler2 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Hi all,For you Western Washington folks, I need help finding a local shop with Nahkla Mizo. The most selection I've found so far is Sam's in U-District, but looking for more. I've been to quite a few little tobacco shops in the area looking, but its hard to canvas them all. I've seen a few people in my area are smoking it, but can't seem to find any. I am located in Ballard, so closer the better, but wouldn't mind making a little trip to stock up if I need to. Thanks all!-FoolPS For you non-washington folks thinking "why don't you buy off the internet" please remember we are not allowed to get tobacco shipped to us anymore due to a new law. I used to get it from HJ, but sadly I can't do that anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_T Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Only place i've gone locally was Tinder Box in Tacoma off someones recommendation. They had 100g packs of Tang for $9.99(steep), some AF 50g and Al waha 50g. Only thing worth getting, for me at least, was the tangiers. I've not heard about this new law, but I got a package from HJ in like June/July and everything was fine. Is the law newer than that? Does it actually apply to shisha tobacco or just like RYO ciggs and pipe tobacco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fooler2 Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 I believe the law went into affect(e?) July 26thish...Don't remember the details, but is for all tobacco as far as I know. They did have some special cigar clause I think, but I can't remember exactly what. Other than that you have to be a licensed tobacco reseller to get tobacco shipped to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sin on Sunday Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 sorry but you're mistaken about the tobacco law. i had a package come in 2 days ago with 2 50g boxes of romman tobacco in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan6216 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 QUOTE (Sin on Sunday @ Nov 25 2009, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>sorry but you're mistaken about the tobacco law. i had a package come in 2 days ago with 2 50g boxes of romman tobacco in them.Yes you can get tobacco shipped to you but your REALLY not supposed to. If you've ordered from vendors before, you may be able to call them and see if they still ship up here. Here is the law for you, so you can read it for yourself: http://liq.wa.gov/2009-legislative-fact-sh...0SSB%205340.pdfHowever, if i read it correctly, you can't receive more than 3 pounds (being like a kilo and a half, if my math is right) unless you are a vendor.......I don't completely understand the law though so if someone would like to help explain, that would be pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretender85 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 from reading it that sounds right..so you'd be fine if you don't order in large quantities basically.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 QUOTE (sportsfan6216 @ Nov 26 2009, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Sin on Sunday @ Nov 25 2009, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>sorry but you're mistaken about the tobacco law. i had a package come in 2 days ago with 2 50g boxes of romman tobacco in them.Yes you can get tobacco shipped to you but your REALLY not supposed to. If you've ordered from vendors before, you may be able to call them and see if they still ship up here. Here is the law for you, so you can read it for yourself: http://liq.wa.gov/2009-legislative-fact-sh...0SSB%205340.pdfHowever, if i read it correctly, you can't receive more than 3 pounds (being like a kilo and a half, if my math is right) unless you are a vendor.......I don't completely understand the law though so if someone would like to help explain, that would be pretty cool.Interesting..... As said, you can always keep the orders a kilo or less, or you could check to see the cost of becoming a vendor in your state. It may be much less than you think it is. I was curious once and did some research to find out you could pick up a tobacco manufacturers license in California for $2,000. Now that's for manufacturing which is a much bigger deal than a resale license. Could be it's quite minimal and worth the output in your state. And you could be ordering strictly on a "friends and family" customer list. Making it definitely worth it if you're willing to go to the trouble. You just might find yourself with a growing (and lucretive) part time business.'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fooler2 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Thanks for that link up there. I would love to be wrong about this, and wouldn't mind getting an internet seller's feedback here. I just remember reading about it when it was first coming out and it sounded like we were SOL. If I were to limit orders to 1Kg/order shipping would start to add up quick. So if anyone is in the area, would still love feedback on local shops.As for getting a resellers license, from what I've heard (and once again could totally be wrong about this), you normally need a physical commercial location to have a resellers license (so you can't just be a reseller out of your house). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (fooler2 @ Nov 30 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for that link up there. I would love to be wrong about this, and wouldn't mind getting an internet seller's feedback here. I just remember reading about it when it was first coming out and it sounded like we were SOL. If I were to limit orders to 1Kg/order shipping would start to add up quick. So if anyone is in the area, would still love feedback on local shops.As for getting a resellers license, from what I've heard (and once again could totally be wrong about this), you normally need a physical commercial location to have a resellers license (so you can't just be a reseller out of your house).Call your local city hall and double check on this. People can and do run businesses out of their homes - the only caveat being that you cannot have the public coming through. You get a different classification of business license. And a state resale certificate only allows you to purchase wholesale and resell it at retail. It shouldn't have anything to do with a location. Look at internet only business for example. A great many of them have resale certificates, buy wholesale and resell retail, and all without a bricks and mortar location. I'm in California so of course things could be different but a place I worked last year had a resale certificate so they could import raw goods straight from China. The business existed on paper only. No physical location and goods were simply transferred from the paper company to the actual company using the goods to do the fabrication. All of it carried out on paper. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Nov 30 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Call your local city hall and double check on this. People can and do run businesses out of their homes - the only caveat being that you cannot have the public coming through.I believe he is correct that in Washington state Liquor/Tobacco licenses go to businesses that have physical locations only- but not all businesses (I have a business license for example). I could be wrong, but I believe that was part of our big anti-American, I mean bill that was supposed to cut smoking down...However, I have heard nothing about shipping tobacco, and I just placed an order with both John and Hookah Company and haven't heard anything bad yet. There is some sort of law on the books about alcohol (maybe tobacco as well) that when it comes into the state, regardless of where it came from/was purchased, the Washington state taxes have to be paid, theoretically of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fooler2 Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 QUOTE (Vladimir @ Nov 30 2009, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (BohoWildChild @ Nov 30 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Call your local city hall and double check on this. People can and do run businesses out of their homes - the only caveat being that you cannot have the public coming through.I believe he is correct that in Washington state Liquor/Tobacco licenses go to businesses that have physical locations only- but not all businesses (I have a business license for example). I could be wrong, but I believe that was part of our big anti-American, I mean bill that was supposed to cut smoking down...However, I have heard nothing about shipping tobacco, and I just placed an order with both John and Hookah Company and haven't heard anything bad yet. There is some sort of law on the books about alcohol (maybe tobacco as well) that when it comes into the state, regardless of where it came from/was purchased, the Washington state taxes have to be paid, theoretically of course.Just went and checked it out a bit. Essentially WA state has the same 3 tiered system as liquor (we have some strange laws here). So a manufacturer may only sell to a wholesale distributor (650$), which in turn may only sell to a licensed reseller (93$) which in turn can only sell to the public. So even if I were to become a reseller, I would only be able to buy from an in state distributor (legally), none of which avoids any of my original problems :-) I didn't read too much into it past that, but I swear you need a physical storefront to be a reseller too, but still could be wrong and don't feel like spending the time to research it. None of this applies to buying for personal use, but the above shipping law still applies. Anyways, I'll email a vendor or two to see what they have learned, since I'm sure they have at least touched on it before. I need some new coals anyways, would be nice to get some shisha with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karot Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hmmmm well this is news to me. I just placed an order with a reputable vendor yesterday (dont want to say the name if there are any laws being infringed upon) and I reside in WA state. It hasn't been shipped yet so we'll see if they say anything. If you like I'll keep yall informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan6216 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 With it being a state law many reputable vendors feel safe shipping to you. I know i have spoken with one vendor (who is well known here but will remain nameless) and they were willing to ship to me just after the law was passed on the basis that i had ordered from them before..... I'm sure since then they have done their research and most likely will not get in trouble if caught, and thus, will continue to ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 And I thought California had messed up laws.......I saw nothing in the link that says the shipper is responsible for confirming the legality of the receiver...... So I'd try shipping to "Rani's Lounge' or something that doesn't quite say tobacco but protects the vendor should they ever get questioned. I don't see how they could get hurt if they can claim their shipment was made in reasonable assumption of legality since their not responsible for verifying the legitimacy of the receiver. Might want to take the time to make a phone call to either John or George down at Hookah Company and see how they feel about it. If they can't be held responsible in any way, maybe they won't give a rats ass.'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karot Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Yeah I'm not too worried about it. Unless they decide to cancel my order, then I wont be able to finally try some of that delicious sound horchata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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