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QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
are you serious? this is what you guys posted? i think it would be worth getting a few warning levels to express my thoughts to you *&^%$...reason i brought it up is cause john told me he was thinking of doing this..so i thought id made a thread just to see what the opinion is..seriously..you guys are fools sometimes..and not funny fools..

We meant no harm, chill out.
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QUOTE (dizzbizz @ Dec 1 2009, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We meant no harm, chill out.







this actually made me, lol...



now, everyone...let's get back on topic...talk about John and his possible tobacco line...

me, i'd say stick to the coals...tobacco is too subjective and with big hitters like Tangiers, Nakhla, AF and SB...i'd think it'd be hard to get John's foot in the door, unless his tobacco was really cheap AND really good...

but, i'm assuming tobacco is like most products: if you want it good, don't expect it to be cheap....if you want it cheap, don't expect it to be good...

(Nakhla poops on that theory though... smile.gif )
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QUOTE (Codename067 @ Dec 1 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2 more come to mind

arak and lamb chops..lol


My Dad onces mixed Arak with some mix he made...he liked it..I didn't..lol.

Literally take a cap full, and mix it with the tobacco.


that sounds effing gross. for all you not leb/syrians, arak ≈ ouzo
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I didn't know John was seriously considering making a tobacco line,I just thought NOB was being hopeful and stalkerish. If he does, I'm sure it'll improve greatly, especially with this forum's support. I'm open to try it. After all, he made some great coals and he's a good businessman. I bet it'll turn out great.
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a tobacco line would be very hard to make. john seems to be a perfectionist so i would expect it to be judged on a flavor by flavor basis much like tang.

but i would love to see a great washed tobacco that was more traditional at a great price. something like al fahker used to be. a product like that would really get my dollar.

and sorry for picking on you NOB. its nice to know your not an asshole, so we shouldnt be one towords you. Edited by Jacob Shock
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QUOTE (Arcane @ Dec 1 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (joytron @ Dec 1 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (dizzbizz @ Dec 1 2009, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We meant no harm, chill out.







this actually made me, lol...



now, everyone...let's get back on topic...talk about John and his possible tobacco line...

me, i'd say stick to the coals...tobacco is too subjective and with big hitters like Tangiers, Nakhla, AF and SB...i'd think it'd be hard to get John's foot in the door, unless his tobacco was really cheap AND really good...

but, i'm assuming tobacco is like most products: if you want it good, don't expect it to be cheap....if you want it cheap, don't expect it to be good...

(Nakhla poops on that theory though... smile.gif )


I think it'd be good if John could make an awesome shisha that's better than Nakhla, even further pooping on the theory by making it cheap like Nakhla as well. (Although I know that won't happen...)
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QUOTE (Arcane @ Dec 1 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (joytron @ Dec 1 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (dizzbizz @ Dec 1 2009, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We meant no harm, chill out.







this actually made me, lol...



now, everyone...let's get back on topic...talk about John and his possible tobacco line...

me, i'd say stick to the coals...tobacco is too subjective and with big hitters like Tangiers, Nakhla, AF and SB...i'd think it'd be hard to get John's foot in the door, unless his tobacco was really cheap AND really good...

but, i'm assuming tobacco is like most products: if you want it good, don't expect it to be cheap....if you want it cheap, don't expect it to be good...

(Nakhla poops on that theory though... smile.gif )

But srsly NOB, sorry. I didn't mean to anger you.
As for shisha, it would be good idea, but I wonder what type he would go for... Like, more of a strong tobacco like Tangiers or a more... "bro" shisha like sb
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post='433880' date='Dec 1 2009, 04:19 PM']i think you're obsessed with John[/quote]
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im quoting not to be funny, but to emphasize what was said...
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I think "thats what she said" would taste like a mai tai
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Tony, didn't mean to upset you, but man, you are really obsessed with HJ. Not putting you down for it, just stating what i notice. You know I wub.gif you bro.


edit: ok, NoB was really serious with this thread, any further posts off topic will be deleted. Like Arcane said, please stay on topic.
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QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you know if i was a asshole i could report this thread to mush for thread jacking and give out a few warnings..IF i was one..


hate to dissapoint you...but i think it's kinda funny.

But seriously folks, good to see it back on topic.

As for having your own line of tobacco. Unless he's going to MAKE it himself, i understand about $20,000 will get you your own brand made in the middle east.
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QUOTE (mushrat @ Dec 2 2009, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you know if i was a asshole i could report this thread to mush for thread jacking and give out a few warnings..IF i was one..


hate to dissapoint you...but i think it's kinda funny.

But seriously folks, good to see it back on topic.

As for having your own line of tobacco. Unless he's going to MAKE it himself, i understand about $20,000 will get you your own brand made in the middle east.



Damn. i need $20,000!
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QUOTE (mushrat @ Dec 2 2009, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you know if i was a asshole i could report this thread to mush for thread jacking and give out a few warnings..IF i was one..


hate to dissapoint you...but i think it's kinda funny.

But seriously folks, good to see it back on topic.

As for having your own line of tobacco. Unless he's going to MAKE it himself, i understand about $20,000 will get you your own brand made in the middle east.

its always funny when its happening to someone else..lol
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QUOTE (Codename067 @ Dec 1 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2 more come to mind

arak and lamb chops..lol


My Dad onces mixed Arak with some mix he made...he liked it..I didn't..lol.

Literally take a cap full, and mix it with the tobacco.
They sometimes put Raki, very similair drink in the base when smoking double apple or tombeki in Turkey. It's 90 proof so yeah, kick in the teeth.
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QUOTE (Majid @ Dec 2 2009, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Codename067 @ Dec 1 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2 more come to mind

arak and lamb chops..lol


My Dad onces mixed Arak with some mix he made...he liked it..I didn't..lol.

Literally take a cap full, and mix it with the tobacco.
They sometimes put Raki, very similair drink in the base when smoking double apple or tombeki in Turkey. It's 90 proof so yeah, kick in the teeth.

that sounds painful
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QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 2 2009, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Majid @ Dec 2 2009, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Codename067 @ Dec 1 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 1 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2 more come to mind

arak and lamb chops..lol


My Dad onces mixed Arak with some mix he made...he liked it..I didn't..lol.

Literally take a cap full, and mix it with the tobacco.
They sometimes put Raki, very similair drink in the base when smoking double apple or tombeki in Turkey. It's 90 proof so yeah, kick in the teeth.

that sounds painful


I just looked it up and kick in the teeth is to be used when indicating "Bad news or a sudden disappointment are a kick in the teeth." So i used it wrong, i ment to say it's very strong laugh.gif
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ok, alot of this is funny, but the truth is i have been thinking about this seriously for sometime. in fact me and some folks close to me discussed this for an hour today. Mush is right that for a certain amount of cash I can have it made, I think it's more than that too, a lot more. basically i can call the same folks that many of the other brands use to make their shisha, and just add hj packaging. i'm not interested in that for several reasons, 1 is i don't want to invest $100k, and the 2nd is I don't want to rehash the same junk that is out there, which is almost everything other than nak, af, tang and sb. i would like to be of similar standards as tang but then again i don't want to copy tang. i really would have to take a lot of time and invest in some licensing.
i've thought of the easy route, meaning, herbal, but, i cringe at herbal. there's lots to be done and also with new legislation on the horizon this may only be a dream.
i've discussed it a bit with tang/eric and asked him if he would do it for me. he was open to discussing it however, the terms may not be what i want (not considering $$$) but then I thought, even though eric is an honorable person, that he would be making a competing product and why would he make mine as good as his?
this is a to be continued type of thing. thanks for the discussion
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QUOTE (HookahJohn @ Dec 2 2009, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ok, alot of this is funny, but the truth is i have been thinking about this seriously for sometime. in fact me and some folks close to me discussed this for an hour today. Mush is right that for a certain amount of cash I can have it made, I think it's more than that too, a lot more. basically i can call the same folks that many of the other brands use to make their shisha, and just add hj packaging. i'm not interested in that for several reasons, 1 is i don't want to invest $100k, and the 2nd is I don't want to rehash the same junk that is out there, which is almost everything other than nak, af, tang and sb. i would like to be of similar standards as tang but then again i don't want to copy tang. i really would have to take a lot of time and invest in some licensing.
i've thought of the easy route, meaning, herbal, but, i cringe at herbal. there's lots to be done and also with new legislation on the horizon this may only be a dream.
i've discussed it a bit with tang/eric and asked him if he would do it for me. he was open to discussing it however, the terms may not be what i want (not considering $$) but then I thought, even though eric is an honorable person, that he would be making a competing product and why would he make mine as good as his?
this is a to be continued type of thing. thanks for the discussion


If I'm not mistaken, Eric doesn't make an herbal though...? If you guys teamed up, I'm sure nearly everyone on this forum would buy it. To try, if nothing else.
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QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 2 2009, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i wouldnt waste investing money to make herbal


Because it isn't good? All the more reason to start with (arguably) the best shisha producer to reinvent herbal.

Go for it, in my opinion.
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