Hookah John Shisha?

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

i wouldnt waste investing money to make herbal

Because it isn't good? All the more reason to start with (arguably) the best shisha producer to reinvent herbal.

Go for it, in my opinion.

even the best herbal shisha in the world isnt gona cut it..people want nicotine and buzz..smoking herbal is like kissing your own sister, sure i'll kiss my sister on her bday and xmas but its not something id do everyday..

[rhineholt]

i wouldnt waste investing money to make herbal

Because it isn't good? All the more reason to start with (arguably) the best shisha producer to reinvent herbal.

Go for it, in my opinion.

even the best herbal shisha in the world isnt gona cut it..people want nicotine and buzz..smoking herbal is like kissing your own sister, sure i'll kiss my sister on her bday and xmas but its not something id do everyday..

what a weird comparison... I get your point... but what a weird comparison. haha

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

i wouldnt waste investing money to make herbal

Because it isn't good? All the more reason to start with (arguably) the best shisha producer to reinvent herbal.

Go for it, in my opinion.

even the best herbal shisha in the world isnt gona cut it..people want nicotine and buzz..smoking herbal is like kissing your own sister, sure i'll kiss my sister on her bday and xmas but its not something id do everyday..

what a weird comparison... I get your point... but what a weird comparison. haha

you think thats weird, before i hit reply i double checked my post and instead of kiss i typed kill..lol

[K1024]

i wouldnt waste investing money to make herbal

Because it isn't good? All the more reason to start with (arguably) the best shisha producer to reinvent herbal.

Go for it, in my opinion.

even the best herbal shisha in the world isnt gona cut it..people want nicotine and buzz..smoking herbal is like kissing your own sister, sure i'll kiss my sister on her bday and xmas but its not something id do everyday..

what a weird comparison... I get your point... but what a weird comparison. haha

you think thats weird, before i hit reply i double checked my post and instead of kiss i typed kill..lol

i never tried scalliwag's herbal shisha, but from what i understood it had buzz. there are herbs out there that give certain "buzzes" that are legal in america, and work well with shisha.

as far as making a new line of tobacco...that would be a huge process, and unfortunatly would probably not be worth all the effort...unless you had a good spin of your own.

what about making shisha that was tobacco + flavoring + different herbs. then you could sell different mixes that would have different effects and what not. Edited December 3, 2009 by K1024

[The Caterpillar]

i wouldnt waste investing money to make herbal

Because it isn't good? All the more reason to start with (arguably) the best shisha producer to reinvent herbal.

Go for it, in my opinion.

even the best herbal shisha in the world isnt gona cut it..people want nicotine and buzz..smoking herbal is like kissing your own sister, sure i'll kiss my sister on her bday and xmas but its not something id do everyday..

It hasn't been made yet. No sense in discussing theoretics or shooting down something because you personally aren't interested in it. Herbal exists for a reason; not everyone wants nicotine, kind sir.

Take my state, Utah, for example: predominantly Mormon. By doctrine they are unable to consume alcohol, caffeine or nicotine (F-line ), they would actually be able to have a smoking alternative that stays within their covenants. Watching the smoke leave your body is psychologically therapeutic, regardless of the smoke's chemistry.

I still say "yay" as there will certainly be a market... and people will always try new things.

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

i wouldnt waste investing money to make herbal

Because it isn't good? All the more reason to start with (arguably) the best shisha producer to reinvent herbal.

Go for it, in my opinion.

even the best herbal shisha in the world isnt gona cut it..people want nicotine and buzz..smoking herbal is like kissing your own sister, sure i'll kiss my sister on her bday and xmas but its not something id do everyday..

It hasn't been made yet. No sense in discussing theoretics or shooting down something because you personally aren't interested in it. Herbal exists for a reason; not everyone wants nicotine, kind sir.

Take my state, Utah, for example: predominantly Mormon. By doctrine they are unable to consume alcohol, caffeine or nicotine (F-line ), they would actually be able to have a smoking alternative that stays within their covenants. Watching the smoke leave your body is psychologically therapeutic, regardless of the smoke's chemistry.

I still say "yay" as there will certainly be a market... and people will always try new things.

but this is a forum, and we discuss out opinions on everything..and i gave you mine..lol you say not everyone wants nicotine but 99% of what people here smoke has nicotine if they didnt want it you would see a herbal section..right now the only herbal worth holding is saalaam and even that isnt something to write home about..in this market herbal has a bigger chance for failure then regular shisha..look at all the big names, nakhla,al fakher,sb,tangiers,layliana,fushion, shit theres tons i can list..lol even lower brands like al amir and al waha out perform and out sell herbal..for my money i wouldnt throw it away "trying to reinvent something" why not try to perfect whats already out there..but it doesnt really matter what we say cause end of the day its not our money thats being invested..

[no longer welcome]

ok, alot of this is funny, but the truth is i have been thinking about this seriously for sometime. in fact me and some folks close to me discussed this for an hour today. Mush is right that for a certain amount of cash I can have it made, I think it's more than that too, a lot more. basically i can call the same folks that many of the other brands use to make their shisha, and just add hj packaging. i'm not interested in that for several reasons, 1 is i don't want to invest $100k, and the 2nd is I don't want to rehash the same junk that is out there, which is almost everything other than nak, af, tang and sb. i would like to be of similar standards as tang but then again i don't want to copy tang. i really would have to take a lot of time and invest in some licensing.
i've thought of the easy route, meaning, herbal, but, i cringe at herbal. there's lots to be done and also with new legislation on the horizon this may only be a dream.
i've discussed it a bit with tang/eric and asked him if he would do it for me. he was open to discussing it however, the terms may not be what i want (not considering $$) but then I thought, even though eric is an honorable person, that he would be making a competing product and why would he make mine as good as his?
this is a to be continued type of thing. thanks for the discussion

If I'm not mistaken, Eric doesn't make an herbal though...? If you guys teamed up, I'm sure nearly everyone on this forum would buy it. To try, if nothing else.

clarification-the herbal idea is one and teaming with eric is another

[joytron]

ok, alot of this is funny, but the truth is i have been thinking about this seriously for sometime. in fact me and some folks close to me discussed this for an hour today. Mush is right that for a certain amount of cash I can have it made, I think it's more than that too, a lot more. basically i can call the same folks that many of the other brands use to make their shisha, and just add hj packaging. i'm not interested in that for several reasons, 1 is i don't want to invest $100k, and the 2nd is I don't want to rehash the same junk that is out there, which is almost everything other than nak, af, tang and sb. i would like to be of similar standards as tang but then again i don't want to copy tang. i really would have to take a lot of time and invest in some licensing.
i've thought of the easy route, meaning, herbal, but, i cringe at herbal. there's lots to be done and also with new legislation on the horizon this may only be a dream.
i've discussed it a bit with tang/eric and asked him if he would do it for me. he was open to discussing it however, the terms may not be what i want (not considering $$) but then I thought, even though eric is an honorable person, that he would be making a competing product and why would he make mine as good as his?
this is a to be continued type of thing. thanks for the discussion

If I'm not mistaken, Eric doesn't make an herbal though...? If you guys teamed up, I'm sure nearly everyone on this forum would buy it. To try, if nothing else.

clarification-the herbal idea is one and teaming with eric is another

You and Eric could double team my shisha any day

[Arcane]

Eric had mentioned experimenting with a Tangiers Line that had more water content than his current lines....which would drop down manufacturing costs....maybe even ease the whole acclimation process...

Maybe that could be the HookahJohn Tobacco?

just an idea...

[mattarios2]

Eric had mentioned experimenting with a Tangiers Line that had more water content than his current lines....which would drop down manufacturing costs....maybe even ease the whole acclimation process...

Maybe that could be the HookahJohn Tobacco?

just an idea...

hmmm thats funny, because when I suggested possibly trying that to Eric in a thread, all of the Tangiers fans wanted to have me killed.

[Arcane]

Eric had mentioned experimenting with a Tangiers Line that had more water content than his current lines....which would drop down manufacturing costs....maybe even ease the whole acclimation process...

Maybe that could be the HookahJohn Tobacco?

just an idea...

hmmm thats funny, because when I suggested possibly trying that to Eric in a thread, all of the Tangiers fans wanted to have me killed.

John, i think the difference was (IIRC) you suggested he change his entire formula to include all his lines...

when Eric and I were talking about it in chat (this was a few months ago), he was considering making an entirely new line...he had the space, with F-Line being discontinued, so it seemed like a possibility...

i don't know if his views have changed at all...hopefully, he chimes in...

[Jacob Shock]

i wouldnt mind a kickass herbal shisha. the one problem with herbal shisha is the base herbs SUCK. the only herbal shisha with a good base herb is H-H Evolution (it is tea). if you could get awesome flavor, and a good base herb with all the bells and whistles, i would by it.

[redjako]

i wouldnt mind a kickass herbal shisha. the one problem with herbal shisha is the base herbs SUCK. the only herbal shisha with a good base herb is H-H Evolution (it is tea). if you could get awesome flavor, and a good base herb with all the bells and whistles, i would by it.

And the smoke tends to suck...never seen good smoke (I've tried 2 different brands a few times, can't recall em now..I don't remember Shit stuff) except for our loyal forum tinkerer..good lord, I can't recall HIS name either..AHHHHHH Anyway, he had Thundercloud herbal shisha on pre-order for a min which I was excited about.

I personally don't care about the tobacco content for health reasons. I smoked 1.5 packs of ciggies for two years and their is near-no comparison.

[NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD]

i wouldnt mind a kickass herbal shisha. the one problem with herbal shisha is the base herbs SUCK. the only herbal shisha with a good base herb is H-H Evolution (it is tea). if you could get awesome flavor, and a good base herb with all the bells and whistles, i would by it.

And the smoke tends to suck...never seen good smoke (I've tried 2 different brands a few times, can't recall em now..I don't remember Shit stuff) except for our loyal forum tinkerer..good lord, I can't recall HIS name either..AHHHHHH Anyway, he had Thundercloud herbal shisha on pre-order for a min which I was excited about.

I personally don't care about the tobacco content for health reasons. I smoked 1.5 packs of ciggies for two years and their is near-no comparison.

saalaam has huge smoke clouds..but end of the day....its still herbal

[Jacob Shock]

i wouldnt mind a kickass herbal shisha. the one problem with herbal shisha is the base herbs SUCK. the only herbal shisha with a good base herb is H-H Evolution (it is tea). if you could get awesome flavor, and a good base herb with all the bells and whistles, i would by it.

And the smoke tends to suck...never seen good smoke (I've tried 2 different brands a few times, can't recall em now..I don't remember Shit stuff) except for our loyal forum tinkerer..good lord, I can't recall HIS name either..AHHHHHH Anyway, he had Thundercloud herbal shisha on pre-order for a min which I was excited about.

I personally don't care about the tobacco content for health reasons. I smoked 1.5 packs of ciggies for two years and their is near-no comparison.

scalliwag.

also responsible for the olive wood bowl and scalli mod.

the low smoke is not because of the herbs, its the sauce. if its supper wet and has a good level of glycerin it will give you monster clouds.