About Not Poking A Hole In The Middle Of The Phunnel

[Bulldog_916]

but with no holes doesnt it make the pull very restricted?

I poke a single hole in the middle and I've never had a problem with smoke, flavor, or buzz. I think all that is a bunch of hooey. I found out for sure when I was at Tangiers in San Diego and Matt packed me a bowl and there were holes all over the place, including over the hole. No problems with buzz or smoke. So I pretty much know it's BS.

ever thought that possibly eric does that because it reduces the buzz for tangiers?

Just b/c they do it at differently at the lounge doesn't mean its hooey.

I smoke nak every single day, one bowl a day, and then i try it without a hole and i get a massive buzz.
I find it hard to believe a buzz fairy came along and gave me a massive buzz one day. Without a hole in the middle it def decreases the amount of air flowing into the hookah giving you more smoke and a bigger buzz.

And yes as long as you pack a lot and tight, the pull is the exact same as with a hole in the middle of the phunnel.

I've done it both ways. It doesnt increase or decrease the buzz/flavor/smoke level at all. I think it's worth remembering that not all shisha is consistent all the way through. You'll get areas with more stems, thicker or thinner leaves, less or more juices, higher or lower humidity level. Granted, it's not a craps shoot there is SOME consistency in it. But I get buzzed off Tangiers every once in a while. I think it's more related to humidity and acclimation than lack of or presence of a hole in the middle of the phunnel. Under that logic you would never get a buzz packing a standard bowl of any shisha because there are holes all over the bowl, not just one that you have to cover up.

But the tub of sweet melon i have, i have smoked 5-6 bowls out of it ... no buzz just the relaxed feeling i always get from nak. This bowl i had was from the same tub and i got a killer buzz. bigger than i ever got from nakhla. (keeping in mind i mix zag in all of my nakhla) And i haven't changed anything other than the hole. I mean why wouldn't it make sense? You get less air mixing with the smoke without the hole in the middle. And maybe you don't get a buzz between both setups b/c you are used to the nicotine, maybe you aren't a good subject to test it on .... how often do you smoke?

I understand what you are saying with consistency but two different setups with the same tub of shisha more or less over rides that point other than humidity etc. which i fund useless when talking about nakhla. And your argument with the egyptian bowl is lacking, because with an egyptian bowl there is no section of the bowl that has an open spot where no tobacco sits. The point is a phunnel has no shisha in the middle, putting a hole there causes dead air to be sucked in with the smoke causing the smoke to be less dense. An egyptian bowl, the more holes all over doesn't matter b/c there is tobacco under the foil no matter where the holes are.

Dead air is going to come into the phunnel too because air is getting in in places where there isnt coal. So just because you arent pulling air in through a hole or 2 in the center doesnt mean air without smoke isnt getting in. The same ratio of air to smoke is still getting in regardless of where the holes are. If it didnt you wouldnt get a very good pull at all. I can retest this for myself but I doubt the results will change from what they were the last time I didnt put a hole in the center. No upping of the buzz factor and no more or less flavor/smoke.

Nakhla is unwashed shisha (as you know), the acclimation and humidity still affects it. Maybe not as frequently or in as pronounced a way as say Tangiers, but certainly it has an effect. I only get a muted buzz on Nakhla depending on the weather. Drier conditions generally I get a relaxed feeling from Mizo or OG Nak. More middling humidity or high humidity I get nothing from it.

[hookah hippie]

I usually don't poke a hole in the middle of my phunnel with the exception of last night while I was smkoing I decided to just for the hell of it and I had a surprising better smoke then previous sessions.

[jeremyk]

im gonna jump on the bandwagon and not poke a hole in the middle of my mini phunnel with nak mizo guava in it and see what the difference is

[mattarios2]

[quote name='Bulldog_916' date='08 December 2009 - 05:42 PM' timestamp='1260308560' post='436831']
QUOTE (mattarios2 @ Dec 8 2009, 10:10 AM) QUOTE (Bulldog_916 @ Dec 8 2009, 12:21 PM) QUOTE (mattarios2 @ Dec 8 2009, 05:36 AM) QUOTE (NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD @ Dec 8 2009, 01:30 AM) but with no holes doesnt it make the pull very restricted?


QUOTE (Bulldog_916 @ Dec 8 2009, 05:54 AM) I poke a single hole in the middle and I've never had a problem with smoke, flavor, or buzz. I think all that is a bunch of hooey. I found out for sure when I was at Tangiers in San Diego and Matt packed me a bowl and there were holes all over the place, including over the hole. No problems with buzz or smoke. So I pretty much know it's BS.

ever thought that possibly eric does that because it reduces the buzz for tangiers?

Just b/c they do it at differently at the lounge doesn't mean its hooey.

I smoke nak every single day, one bowl a day, and then i try it without a hole and i get a massive buzz.
I find it hard to believe a buzz fairy came along and gave me a massive buzz one day. Without a hole in the middle it def decreases the amount of air flowing into the hookah giving you more smoke and a bigger buzz.

And yes as long as you pack a lot and tight, the pull is the exact same as with a hole in the middle of the phunnel.


I've done it both ways. It doesnt increase or decrease the buzz/flavor/smoke level at all. I think it's worth remembering that not all shisha is consistent all the way through. You'll get areas with more stems, thicker or thinner leaves, less or more juices, higher or lower humidity level. Granted, it's not a craps shoot there is SOME consistency in it. But I get buzzed off Tangiers every once in a while. I think it's more related to humidity and acclimation than lack of or presence of a hole in the middle of the phunnel. Under that logic you would never get a buzz packing a standard bowl of any shisha because there are holes all over the bowl, not just one that you have to cover up.


But the tub of sweet melon i have, i have smoked 5-6 bowls out of it ... no buzz just the relaxed feeling i always get from nak. This bowl i had was from the same tub and i got a killer buzz. bigger than i ever got from nakhla. (keeping in mind i mix zag in all of my nakhla) And i haven't changed anything other than the hole. I mean why wouldn't it make sense? You get less air mixing with the smoke without the hole in the middle. And maybe you don't get a buzz between both setups b/c you are used to the nicotine, maybe you aren't a good subject to test it on .... how often do you smoke?

I understand what you are saying with consistency but two different setups with the same tub of shisha more or less over rides that point other than humidity etc. which i fund useless when talking about nakhla. And your argument with the egyptian bowl is lacking, because with an egyptian bowl there is no section of the bowl that has an open spot where no tobacco sits. The point is a phunnel has no shisha in the middle, putting a hole there causes dead air to be sucked in with the smoke causing the smoke to be less dense. An egyptian bowl, the more holes all over doesn't matter b/c there is tobacco under the foil no matter where the holes are.


Dead air is going to come into the phunnel too because air is getting in in places where there isnt coal. So just because you arent pulling air in through a hole or 2 in the center doesnt mean air without smoke isnt getting in. The same ratio of air to smoke is still getting in regardless of where the holes are. If it didnt you wouldnt get a very good pull at all. I can retest this for myself but I doubt the results will change from what they were the last time I didnt put a hole in the center. No upping of the buzz factor and no more or less flavor/smoke.

Nakhla is unwashed shisha (as you know), the acclimation and humidity still affects it. Maybe not as frequently or in as pronounced a way as say Tangiers, but certainly it has an effect. I only get a muted buzz on Nakhla depending on the weather. Drier conditions generally I get a relaxed feeling from Mizo or OG Nak. More middling humidity or high humidity I get nothing from it.
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fair enough. i understand it still pulls air through the holes where there are no coals, but in my experiences i directly saw an increase in buzz the first time i tried it, and the second time i tried it tonight. My friends agreed too. Who knows?

[Codename067]

It's been for ever since I made a hole in the center.

It will remain that way forever.

Less holes less air more flavor more smoke!

[Twisted]

I hate being on this forum...................it makes me want to smoke and I can't until the weekend! BAH

[Hookie The Hookah]

[quote name='Twisted' date='09 December 2009 - 03:07 AM' timestamp='1260342437' post='437170']
I hate being on this forum...................it makes me want to smoke and I can't until the weekend! BAH
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I knoooowwwww.

On topic, I put a hole sometimes and sometimes I don't and it never changes anything... I made a note to try both under slightly more scientific conditions and still nothing. I smoke enough to only get a nice muscle relaxation from tangiers and this did not change for the two bowls I smoked...

[maestroelite]

[quote name='Hookie The Hookah' date='09 December 2009 - 10:57 AM' timestamp='1260374255' post='437233']
On topic, I put a hole sometimes and sometimes I don't and it never changes anything... I made a note to try both under slightly more scientific conditions and still nothing. I smoke enough to only get a nice muscle relaxation from tangiers and this did not change for the two bowls I smoked...
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Thats been my experience too. The only time it helps is when I underpack bowls.