thatonethere Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Is it possible for her to win the presidency in 2012? People in my region are talking about her being able to win. Personally I don't think so, buuuut do any of you think it's possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 sure why not, we got a black guy in the white house now so anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 more importantly.... would you TAP that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='joytron' date='09 December 2009 - 08:47 PM' timestamp='1260409624' post='437458'] more importantly.... would you TAP that? [/quote] in a heart beat lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatonethere Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='joytron' date='09 December 2009 - 06:47 PM' timestamp='1260409624' post='437458'] more importantly.... would you TAP that? [/quote] Nope. I'm straight. But she is very pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Two words: Snoball. Hell. My reasons are: 1) She comes across as a bit of an airhead. Whether she is or not is a moot point. Perception is everything in politics. 2) She bailed on her office before the end of her term to do a book tour and make money putting her personal finances above her pledge to her office. Not showing a whole lot of loyalty to her constituents by doing so. 3) She has been very critical in interviews, (and in the book I'm told though I haven't read it), of the Republican party and McCain's handlers throughout the last campaign. As a result she's unlikely to get any serious backing from the party. They tend to resent those that bit the hand that fed them. 4) Scandal. Levi Johnson's book will be coming out in the next year and they are at serious odds with each other with a lot of slander flying. Doesn't matter if any of it's true, it's dirty linen. The American public wants to believe the candidates are squeaky clean even if we know they really aren't. 'Rani 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo_Master Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 She can never be the president because every time something happens that involves her it all turns into how many people want to fuck her. Youc an't want to fuck your president, things don't work like that. That's why kennedy was killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charley Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I hate to say it but this country is starting to value celebrity and scandal over politics so I could see this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahTIY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class. It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] I walked away and then just became more and more incensed the more I thought about this. This is where all the bullshit about our politics come from. First of all, there still isn't one single bill. There are currently 1 from the House, and several from the Senate all of whch will hopefully eventually be merged into one. [u]Nobody[/u] but the representatives themselves and some health officials have actually read it in it's entirety. It's a stack of papers 19" tall for Gods sake! It's not even remotely logical that some kind of council would determine someone live or die based on their contribution to society. Ridiculous! We can't even execute our convicted serial killers without at least dozen years of appeals. But we're going to pass life or death sentencing on our elderly? Come on....... Gun bans in health care bill? Why would it even be there? They don't have to hide gun control in health care. It's right out there in the open! And what's more there are specific laws against co-mingling issues within bills just to prevent anyone sneaking unknown additions into the bills. Health care can only be about healthcare. Gun control can only be about gun control. Medical records are already available. There are so many loopholes nothing is private. FEMA is in charge of national disaster relief. They have zero power to take control of the government. When will people please stop reading propaganda and actually learn something about our government and what it can and can't do and how it works?????? 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahTIY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 08:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] sorry for the miss spelling or mix up. And death counsel was a term my boss used. But with that said it is true read the bill or ask some one in the EU about there health care and how many people are turned down or how many people die on waiting lists. Pus these counsels are much different then what you described. It is for the most part a counsel to determine how gets care base on their tax pay out. Edited December 11, 2009 by hookahTIY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:39 PM' timestamp='1260499179' post='437802'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 08:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] sorry for the miss spelling or mix up. And death counsel was a term my boss used. But with that said it is true read the bill or ask some one in the EU about there health care and how many people are turned down or how many people die on waiting lists. Pus these counsels are much different then what you described. It is for the most part a counsel to determine how gets care base on their tax pay out. [/quote] Your boss is an idiot. Please don't follow in his footsteps. It's counseling! Not a council who has the ability to determine a damn thing. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahTIY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1260499106' post='437800'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] I walked away and then just became more and more incensed the more I thought about this. This is where all the bullshit about our politics come from. First of all, there still isn't one single bill. There are currently 1 from the House, and several from the Senate all of whch will hopefully eventually be merged into one. [u]Nobody[/u] but the representatives themselves and some health officials have actually read it in it's entirety. It's a stack of papers 19" tall for Gods sake! It's not even remotely logical that some kind of council would determine someone live or die based on their contribution to society. Ridiculous! We can't even execute our convicted serial killers without at least dozen years of appeals. But we're going to pass life or death sentencing on our elderly? Come on....... Gun bans in health care bill? Why would it even be there? They don't have to hide gun control in health care. It's right out there in the open! And what's more there are specific laws against co-mingling issues within bills just to prevent anyone sneaking unknown additions into the bills. Health care can only be about healthcare. Gun control can only be about gun control. Medical records are already available. There are so many loopholes nothing is private. FEMA is in charge of national disaster relief. They have zero power to take control of the government. When will people please stop reading propaganda and actually learn something about our government and what it can and can't do and how it works?????? 'Rani [/quote] The gun bans are there! If you have ever had a physiological problem in the records you cant own a gun. that includes add adhd depression and so forth. it also opens up you medical records to the DEA and the you will not clear a background check when trying to buy a gun. [i]it also includes vets with PTS and other conditions. and you are right about the bill not being final and there being many drafts but most of it is available to the public and through the use of the freedom of information act.[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1260499824' post='437807'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1260499106' post='437800'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] I walked away and then just became more and more incensed the more I thought about this. This is where all the bullshit about our politics come from. First of all, there still isn't one single bill. There are currently 1 from the House, and several from the Senate all of whch will hopefully eventually be merged into one. [u]Nobody[/u] but the representatives themselves and some health officials have actually read it in it's entirety. It's a stack of papers 19" tall for Gods sake! It's not even remotely logical that some kind of council would determine someone live or die based on their contribution to society. Ridiculous! We can't even execute our convicted serial killers without at least dozen years of appeals. But we're going to pass life or death sentencing on our elderly? Come on....... Gun bans in health care bill? Why would it even be there? They don't have to hide gun control in health care. It's right out there in the open! And what's more there are specific laws against co-mingling issues within bills just to prevent anyone sneaking unknown additions into the bills. Health care can only be about healthcare. Gun control can only be about gun control. Medical records are already available. There are so many loopholes nothing is private. FEMA is in charge of national disaster relief. They have zero power to take control of the government. When will people please stop reading propaganda and actually learn something about our government and what it can and can't do and how it works?????? 'Rani [/quote] The gun bans are there! If you have ever had a physiological problem in the records you cant own a gun. that includes add adhd depression and so forth. it also opens up you medical records to the DEA and the you will not clear a background check when trying to buy a gun. [i]it also includes vets with PTS and other conditions. and you are right about the bill not being final and there being many drafts but most of it is available to the public and through the use of the freedom of information act.[/i] [/quote] I'm going to say this again. Your boss is an idiot. And he undoubtedly hopes health care reform doesn't pass because he might actually have to pony up and provide you, his employee, with decent health care. There isn't one bill. There are many. And anything you've read can only be a snyobosis. Unless you've read every single variation each of which are several reams of paper. You could have read War and Peace three times before wading through even one single proposed bill. I guarantee you that you haven't read any of the actual bills, because even the "if it bleeds it leads" media (who have examined the bills close up) have yet to confirm even a single thing you're saying here. Quit listening to your boss. He doesn't want you to have health care. He'd have to pay for it. 'Rani 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 By the way, the DEA doesn't clear you for gun ownership. Your state does. And even if the Federal government did take control of it, it would be covered by the ATF. Not the DEA. 'Rani 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. B Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] ( Ron Paul)... ( JFK ). ...( Ron Paul). [/quote] I think I see the problem here... Seriously though, I didn't want to bite on a tangent but think about what you're doing here. Rani did a good enough job pointing out your erroneous information but I'd like to advise you to take a step back and determine if you really know what can of worms you're opening. I'm not trying to be a dick (but the Ron Paul comments are hilarious) but rather I'm just trying to stop this topic from spiraling out of control because I have something to say about Palin. Before I say it however, I want to know: What made JFK a good president? Just curious about your opinion. What made Paul a good candidate? ... while we're at it. Palin: I do not think she has a chance of running with the GOP. She was their last ditch effort in '08 and they crashed and burned. Strategically, if the Republicans want any shot of taking office they ought to get serious again. The McCain/Palin ticket was a scramble - a rush to slap some novel faces on a tired idea (at least from the perspective of the country). I don't know who may be on the primary ticket, but I have a little more faith in the GOP than to presume they would put Palin on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Alls I gots to say is... Fuck Sarah Palin. Literally... LOL. EDIT: [IMG]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/aaron666nyc/sarah-palin-sexy-gun.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahTIY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 09:19 PM' timestamp='1260501581' post='437815'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1260499824' post='437807'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1260499106' post='437800'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] I walked away and then just became more and more incensed the more I thought about this. This is where all the bullshit about our politics come from. First of all, there still isn't one single bill. There are currently 1 from the House, and several from the Senate all of whch will hopefully eventually be merged into one. [u]Nobody[/u] but the representatives themselves and some health officials have actually read it in it's entirety. It's a stack of papers 19" tall for Gods sake! It's not even remotely logical that some kind of council would determine someone live or die based on their contribution to society. Ridiculous! We can't even execute our convicted serial killers without at least dozen years of appeals. But we're going to pass life or death sentencing on our elderly? Come on....... Gun bans in health care bill? Why would it even be there? They don't have to hide gun control in health care. It's right out there in the open! And what's more there are specific laws against co-mingling issues within bills just to prevent anyone sneaking unknown additions into the bills. Health care can only be about healthcare. Gun control can only be about gun control. Medical records are already available. There are so many loopholes nothing is private. FEMA is in charge of national disaster relief. They have zero power to take control of the government. When will people please stop reading propaganda and actually learn something about our government and what it can and can't do and how it works?????? 'Rani [/quote] The gun bans are there! If you have ever had a physiological problem in the records you cant own a gun. that includes add adhd depression and so forth. it also opens up you medical records to the DEA and the you will not clear a background check when trying to buy a gun. [i]it also includes vets with PTS and other conditions. and you are right about the bill not being final and there being many drafts but most of it is available to the public and through the use of the freedom of information act.[/i] [/quote] I'm going to say this again. Your boss is an idiot. And he undoubtedly hopes health care reform doesn't pass because he might actually have to pony up and provide you, his employee, with decent health care. There isn't one bill. There are many. And anything you've read can only be a snyobosis. Unless you've read every single variation each of which are several reams of paper. You could have read War and Peace three times before wading through even one single proposed bill. I guarantee you that you haven't read any of the actual bills, because even the "if it bleeds it leads" media (who have examined the bills close up) have yet to confirm even a single thing you're saying here. Quit listening to your boss. He doesn't want you to have health care. He'd have to pay for it. 'Rani [/quote] Yeah yeah ATF not DEA it was a typo. And come on you really believe the media or trust it? And no I have not read all of actual bills. and I dont listen to my boss on such thing it just came up when we were talking. He all ready provides me with the best health care plan i have had including free dental. He is a very nice and intelligent man how pays me during the winter months even thou there is no work to be done ( I work at a cranberry marsh). I am not going to argue any more with you, you believe what you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahTIY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='Dr. B' date='10 December 2009 - 10:06 PM' timestamp='1260504405' post='437822'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] ( Ron Paul)... ( JFK ). ...( Ron Paul). [/quote] I think I see the problem here... Seriously though, I didn't want to bite on a tangent but think about what you're doing here. Rani did a good enough job pointing out your erroneous information but I'd like to advise you to take a step back and determine if you really know what can of worms you're opening. I'm not trying to be a dick (but the Ron Paul comments are hilarious) but rather I'm just trying to stop this topic from spiraling out of control because I have something to say about Palin. Before I say it however, I want to know: What made JFK a good president? Just curious about your opinion. What made Paul a good candidate? ... while we're at it. Palin: I do not think she has a chance of running with the GOP. She was their last ditch effort in '08 and they crashed and burned. Strategically, if the Republicans want any shot of taking office they ought to get serious again. The McCain/Palin ticket was a scramble - a rush to slap some novel faces on a tired idea (at least from the perspective of the country). I don't know who may be on the primary ticket, but I have a little more faith in the GOP than to presume they would put Palin on it. [/quote] I think JFK was a good prez because he was planing on or at least thinking about ending the federal reserve. Ron Paul was a good candidate for the same reason plus now he has been pushing for some time to audit the FED witch has never been done before. On to of that he wanted to do away with the IRS and go back to the gold standard and down size the size of government all together. In my opinion the government has became to big to intrusive and in some areas boarding on tyranny and/or socialism/Marxism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahTIY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='hookahTIY' date='11 December 2009 - 05:46 AM' timestamp='1260532014' post='437906'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 09:19 PM' timestamp='1260501581' post='437815'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1260499824' post='437807'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1260499106' post='437800'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] I walked away and then just became more and more incensed the more I thought about this. This is where all the bullshit about our politics come from. First of all, there still isn't one single bill. There are currently 1 from the House, and several from the Senate all of whch will hopefully eventually be merged into one. [u]Nobody[/u] but the representatives themselves and some health officials have actually read it in it's entirety. It's a stack of papers 19" tall for Gods sake! It's not even remotely logical that some kind of council would determine someone live or die based on their contribution to society. Ridiculous! We can't even execute our convicted serial killers without at least dozen years of appeals. But we're going to pass life or death sentencing on our elderly? Come on....... Gun bans in health care bill? Why would it even be there? They don't have to hide gun control in health care. It's right out there in the open! And what's more there are specific laws against co-mingling issues within bills just to prevent anyone sneaking unknown additions into the bills. Health care can only be about healthcare. Gun control can only be about gun control. Medical records are already available. There are so many loopholes nothing is private. FEMA is in charge of national disaster relief. They have zero power to take control of the government. When will people please stop reading propaganda and actually learn something about our government and what it can and can't do and how it works?????? 'Rani [/quote] I will post one more reply with some links you might find interesting: The first one shows that gun control does have some thing to do with the health care bill/bills. [url="http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6971"]Centers for Disease Control has begun researching gun violence and the impact of gun violence on health care costs [/url]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [url="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/07/18/mandatory-death-counseling-under-health-care-reform/"]Mandatory Death Counseling Under Health Care Reform?[/url] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [url="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BKUE5O0&show_article=1"]It's alive! End-of-life counseling in health bill[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saechao_07 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 1 time No Dick runs the house! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='joytron' date='09 December 2009 - 07:47 PM' timestamp='1260409624' post='437458'] more importantly.... would you TAP that? [/quote] Nope. I don't see why people think Palin and Mrs. Obama are attractive... guess they are attracted to power... I mean my ugliest ex-girlfriend out shines them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='hookahTIY' date='11 December 2009 - 04:54 AM' timestamp='1260536054' post='437912'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='11 December 2009 - 05:46 AM' timestamp='1260532014' post='437906'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 09:19 PM' timestamp='1260501581' post='437815'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1260499824' post='437807'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1260499106' post='437800'] [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='10 December 2009 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1260498000' post='437785'] [quote name='hookahTIY' date='10 December 2009 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1260497158' post='437783'] I would like to hope she has a chance. It is a possibility for her to win or another female for that matter. But the way I see it It does not really matter who you vote for or what party, it all seems to be more of the same. It seems as if really good candidates never win ( Ron Paul) or if they do they are assassinated ( JFK ). I would think that Hilary would run again and i think she has a better chance then Palin. Not t5hat I like Hilary Nor do I think a Dem will win in 2012, but the country seems to be in the mood to try new things out. I am hoping thou that a Independent will win in 2012 because the Reps and Dems have be came too..................................I dont know.......................Institutionalized if that makes sense? Its just my thought that a independent or an independent in another parties clothing would do use good ( Ron Paul). it just seems more American to me, I dont know but a more " common man" would do this country good. I mean look at where we are now. We have a prez. that won the noble peace prize ( and was nominated before he took office) and is doing nothing more than continuing the bush doctrine and waging more war. And his push for socialistic health care dont even get me started on that. I advise all to read the bill, [b][color="#ff0000"]It calls for what is called a death council that will decide who lives or dies based on there contribution to society, income, race and class.[/color][/b] It also has gun bans hidden in it and would make all medical records more available to almost anybody, and has allot of stuff in it about martial law and north com and fema taking control of the country in a sate of emergency, some of witch is all ready put in to place watch this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQezQCdnjIc"]FEMA'S power[/url] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35334-sara-palin/%3Cobject%20width="]">fema[/url] [/quote] I call bullshit. The original bill contains "end of life counseling". (Counsel and council are two totally different things.) This is no different than any hospice for the terminally ill offers. My grandmother received the very same thing when she was dying of Parkinsons. Only difference was she had to pay for it herself - it wasn't included in her medical plan which in this case, assuming the final bill still contains it, would have to be offered as included in the plan. 'Rani [/quote] I walked away and then just became more and more incensed the more I thought about this. This is where all the bullshit about our politics come from. First of all, there still isn't one single bill. There are currently 1 from the House, and several from the Senate all of whch will hopefully eventually be merged into one. [u]Nobody[/u] but the representatives themselves and some health officials have actually read it in it's entirety. It's a stack of papers 19" tall for Gods sake! It's not even remotely logical that some kind of council would determine someone live or die based on their contribution to society. Ridiculous! We can't even execute our convicted serial killers without at least dozen years of appeals. But we're going to pass life or death sentencing on our elderly? Come on....... Gun bans in health care bill? Why would it even be there? They don't have to hide gun control in health care. It's right out there in the open! And what's more there are specific laws against co-mingling issues within bills just to prevent anyone sneaking unknown additions into the bills. Health care can only be about healthcare. Gun control can only be about gun control. Medical records are already available. There are so many loopholes nothing is private. FEMA is in charge of national disaster relief. They have zero power to take control of the government. When will people please stop reading propaganda and actually learn something about our government and what it can and can't do and how it works?????? 'Rani [/quote] I will post one more reply with some links you might find interesting: The first one shows that gun control does have some thing to do with the health care bill/bills. [url="http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6971"]Centers for Disease Control has begun researching gun violence and the impact of gun violence on health care costs [/url]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [url="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/07/18/mandatory-death-counseling-under-health-care-reform/"]Mandatory Death Counseling Under Health Care Reform?[/url] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [url="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BKUE5O0&show_article=1"]It's alive! End-of-life counseling in health bill[/url] [/quote] I can post a hundred links to this or that to support any argument I or anyone else can come up with. Start using your own mental abilities and quit relying on propaganda. But in response: 1) Gun violence and it's impact on health care has zero to do with whether or not gun control is part of the new health care reform. Of course gun violence impacts the cost of health care! Ever seen anyone shot and recovering? It's very expensive. Spurious reference and completely invalid for supporting your erroneous beliefs. 2) End of life counseling isn't someone deciding who lives and who dies. It's a psychologist or psychiatrist making terminally ill patients more comfortable and less fearfully about the fact that their life is ending. Redundant reference. 3) See above. Same redundancy. Gotta tell you..... Although I'm going to give you credit for being an intelligent human being, you're making like a parrot quoting fears that don't exist. Which would make you a tool of the health care industry because they don't want reform. They want to keep making a ton of money, while protecting doctors guilty of gross malpractice, and controlling your health care. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatonethere Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 To be honest, I really don't think she is capable of being president. She was used as nothing more than an attempt for the Republican party to insult the public. I felt like they wanted a big distraction by slapping a pretty face on their team, thinking they'll distract the masses. The Republican party took the American public for a ride, and blatently called Americans "idiots" right to their face; the sad thing is that a lot of folks bought it. They told the public that as long as you have a pretty face, then you don't have to be qualified for shit. Personally, I know better than to vote for someone who thinks "foreign policy" means that if you can see another country from your backyard, then that means you have "experience in foreign relations". But that's just my $0.02. Did anybody here buy her book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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