Sara Palin

Hunkies! · January 12, 2010

yes, its very possible. she is extremely smart and the dumbass democrats are trying to make her out like a idiot in the media. And cause there socialists they want to control the media so that all you hear on the news is the left wing veiws.

I hope she wins the presidential election, if obama gets another term i would seriously consider moving out of the country..

joytron · January 12, 2010

[quote name='Hunkies!' date='11 January 2010 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1263260348' post='444608']
yes, its very possible. she is extremely smart and the dumbass democrats are trying to make her out like a idiot in the media. And cause there socialists they want to control the media so that all you hear on the news is the left wing veiws.

I hope she wins the presidential election, if obama gets another term i would seriously consider moving out of the country..
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I am hoping this is a joke. But anyways the media will play what ever you want to hear, I agree there is a left wing media exists but the right wing media does in the same sense. If you want to hear liberal biased news there is someone to cater the same as if you want to hear conservative news. Do you really believe fox news is fair and balanced? A media is there solely to make money not to try and persuade the nation.

BTW she is a dumbass.

Hippo_Master · January 12, 2010

[quote name='Hunkies!' date='11 January 2010 - 07:39 PM' timestamp='1263260348' post='444608']
yes, its very possible. she is extremely smart and the dumbass democrats are trying to make her out like a idiot in the media. And cause there socialists they want to control the media so that all you hear on the news is the left wing veiws.

I hope she wins the presidential election, if obama gets another term i would seriously consider moving out of the country..
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Has to be a joke, no one is seriously that.... Nevermind. Lets just say based on your last sentence I hope more people like you think like you and Obama gets another term.

Palin now has a spot on the Fox news channel, which we all know is the absolute best source for all news. Glenn beck ftw!

Pretender85 · January 14, 2010

Just remember folks, invest in gold sheep and women!

Also, next term I'm going with the "both major parties are full of rich old fools/young idiots(i.e. palin)/wusses(most of the democratic front)" approach and voting for a 3rd party. I know it won't win..but oh well. I can keep dreaming.

Sonthert · January 14, 2010

I would question the competence of anyone in politics who didn't know there was a difference between South and North Korea. The "I can see Russia" from my back window comment is obviously blown out of proportion, she wasn't being literal.

No I don't think she's that smart. If there's a question as to whether a particular person is smart or not in the media, its because they are dumb. Yeah, I seem to be taking a lot of stock in the media all of a sudden. Dan Quayle, for instance, was regarded as very smart, but he was vague and didn't articulate well in some circumstances. The "liberal" bias media didn't call him stupid. Nobody has ever called Dick Cheney stupid, devious and crooked, but not stupid. Dan Quayle was also never accused of being devious and crooked either. Nobody has called into question the credentials or character of John McCain either..or his intentions. When the media is making sport of a person's character, its liberal bias. When they are treating McCain and Quayle with respect they are...fill in the blank. The media started calling Gore "Captain Ozone" when he was talking about the problems with the Ozone Layer when he was the Vice President under Clinton. They lambasted him until he disappeared without a trace for seven more years. Liberal bias...right? Jimmy Carter was not well loved, neither was Reagan. George H. Bush was regarded as shrewd and only made fun of during his unsuccessful bid for a second term, to my recollection. Ford was not the swiftest knife in the drawer, but he was fine and decent man. A tribute to the highest office in our great land. Times were tough and people scapegoated him, unfairly, in my opinion. Carter got into office and things didn't get better and he got ousted in one term. Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the finest men to sit as President, although he wasn't a good president. Mondale and Dukakis, both democrats were hounded for being dumb and ineffectual constantly. Nixon was a royal jackass and got everything he deserved. Nobody ever went out and lambasted arch-conservative Henry Kissinger. He was regarded as one of the greatest minds of the Nixon Administration.

So, no, I don't see that charges of liberal bias in the media is any more than whining. The media has been fair with most of the prominent figures of the Republican party, Gerry Ford being an exception.

Charges of the stupidity of Sarah Palin seem well founded. She then ups and quits as governor of Alaska and writes a book. Glad she didn't get elected to vice president...she's a quitter. Thats not unfair. She was elected and quit before her term had expired. If a person thinks that their family or their personal problems or any dirty laundry under the bed is more important than 300,000,000 Americans, they don't deserve to be elected ever again. If you quit because of one problem or another, it better be damned important enough to not want to run for office again. Oh, its been five years, everything's straightened out now. I want to run for elected office again. Bullshit.

Sariél · January 19, 2010

Have you even read your own links?

The first is wild speculation about future policy based on a CDC study that has nothing to do with legislation.

The second and third actually are arguments against your point of view, as they both say that counseling is NOT mandatory, but that the bills allow Medicare to pay for EOL counseling if it is requested by the patient.

Try reading more than the headline, if you want to actually learn something. If not, I hear the bar is set pretty low to get a job as a Fox News "pundit"'.

[quote name='hookahTIY' date='11 December 2009 - 04:54 AM' timestamp='1260536054' post='437912']
I will post one more reply with some links you might find interesting:

The first one shows that gun control does have some thing to do with the health care bill/bills.

[url="http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6971"]Centers for Disease Control has begun researching gun violence and the impact of gun violence on health care costs
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[url="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/07/18/mandatory-death-counseling-under-health-care-reform/"]Mandatory Death Counseling Under Health Care Reform?[/url]
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[url="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BKUE5O0&show_article=1"]It's alive! End-of-life counseling in health bill[/url]
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btw, "I can see Russia from my house!" was actually Tina Fey. Palin said that there were parts of Alaska where you could see parts of Russia, and that she would be there when Putin reared his head. Equally asinine, but I just wanted to give credit where due.

Sonthert · January 19, 2010

You are correct, sir. My apologies. I didn't word that very well. Replace "Blown out of Proportion" with "Bullshit". to save me an edit.

TheScotsman · January 20, 2010

[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 January 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1263508799' post='445390']
[b]I would question the competence of anyone in politics who didn't know there was a difference between South and North Korea. [/b]The "I can see Russia" from my back window comment is obviously blown out of proportion, she wasn't being literal.

No I don't think she's that smart. If there's a question as to whether a particular person is smart or not in the media, its because they are dumb. Yeah, I seem to be taking a lot of stock in the media all of a sudden. Dan Quayle, for instance, was regarded as very smart, but he was vague and didn't articulate well in some circumstances. The "liberal" bias media didn't call him stupid. Nobody has ever called Dick Cheney stupid, devious and crooked, but not stupid. Dan Quayle was also never accused of being devious and crooked either. Nobody has called into question the credentials or character of John McCain either..or his intentions. When the media is making sport of a person's character, its liberal bias. When they are treating McCain and Quayle with respect they are...fill in the blank. The media started calling Gore "Captain Ozone" when he was talking about the problems with the Ozone Layer when he was the Vice President under Clinton. They lambasted him until he disappeared without a trace for seven more years. Liberal bias...right? Jimmy Carter was not well loved, neither was Reagan. George H. Bush was regarded as shrewd and only made fun of during his unsuccessful bid for a second term, to my recollection. Ford was not the swiftest knife in the drawer, but he was fine and decent man. A tribute to the highest office in our great land. Times were tough and people scapegoated him, unfairly, in my opinion. Carter got into office and things didn't get better and he got ousted in one term. Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the finest men to sit as President, although he wasn't a good president. Mondale and Dukakis, both democrats were hounded for being dumb and ineffectual constantly. Nixon was a royal jackass and got everything he deserved. Nobody ever went out and lambasted arch-conservative Henry Kissinger. He was regarded as one of the greatest minds of the Nixon Administration.

So, no, I don't see that charges of liberal bias in the media is any more than whining. The media has been fair with most of the prominent figures of the Republican party, Gerry Ford being an exception.

Charges of the stupidity of Sarah Palin seem well founded. She then ups and quits as governor of Alaska and writes a book. Glad she didn't get elected to vice president...she's a quitter. Thats not unfair. She was elected and quit before her term had expired. If a person thinks that their family or their personal problems or any dirty laundry under the bed is more important than 300,000,000 Americans, they don't deserve to be elected ever again. If you quit because of one problem or another, it better be damned important enough to not want to run for office again. Oh, its been five years, everything's straightened out now. I want to run for elected office again. Bullshit.
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But you wouldn't question a presidential candidate that thought America has 57 states. That's precious- and funny.

There was a pretty good article on the lib-media treatment of Quayle entitled "Quayle Hunting - A Media Portrayal of Dan Quayle". Either you are wrong, or Mr Cahit is wrong - and his research is well documented.

Carter? you call him WHAT??? Jimmah Huessein Carter – Racist, Anti-Semite and Hypocrite. Why would you call him greatest anything? or do you support his anti-semitic statement? A person really can't have that one both ways! http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6555 Not a bad read about this pillar of greatness.

Oh, and by the way, she never said she could, how did you quote it... "I can see Russia" from my back window". That is from a SNL skit... or are you calling SNL skits reality? Frightening!

What she said, for the record...

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in

You can go read the actual transcript of this interview at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=2 But you are going to tell me the lib media didn't twist it and turn it to a mockery? Ok, I guess you are welcome to believe it. And by the way... you can easily see Russian land from Alaska, Not only is your quote incorrect, but Palin's statement was perfectly true.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Diomede_Islands_Bering_Sea_Jul_2006.jpg[/img]

Big island is Russian soil, Little Island is USA. I'm thinking you could even see that small of a span through LA smog! Here is a pano shot at Little Diomede. http://www.bssd.org/download/dio_standing_place.mov Yep, I can see Russia. What I can't see is just how the average American sheeple can hear something, and never bother to actually find out the truth, then take the lie and run with it like it's a fact handed to Moses on a stone tablet!

KyleTheJustin · January 21, 2010

[quote name='TheScotsman' date='19 January 2010 - 06:45 PM' timestamp='1263951920' post='446502']
[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 January 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1263508799' post='445390']
[b]I would question the competence of anyone in politics who didn't know there was a difference between South and North Korea. [/b]The "I can see Russia" from my back window comment is obviously blown out of proportion, she wasn't being literal.

No I don't think she's that smart. If there's a question as to whether a particular person is smart or not in the media, its because they are dumb. Yeah, I seem to be taking a lot of stock in the media all of a sudden. Dan Quayle, for instance, was regarded as very smart, but he was vague and didn't articulate well in some circumstances. The "liberal" bias media didn't call him stupid. Nobody has ever called Dick Cheney stupid, devious and crooked, but not stupid. Dan Quayle was also never accused of being devious and crooked either. Nobody has called into question the credentials or character of John McCain either..or his intentions. When the media is making sport of a person's character, its liberal bias. When they are treating McCain and Quayle with respect they are...fill in the blank. The media started calling Gore "Captain Ozone" when he was talking about the problems with the Ozone Layer when he was the Vice President under Clinton. They lambasted him until he disappeared without a trace for seven more years. Liberal bias...right? Jimmy Carter was not well loved, neither was Reagan. George H. Bush was regarded as shrewd and only made fun of during his unsuccessful bid for a second term, to my recollection. Ford was not the swiftest knife in the drawer, but he was fine and decent man. A tribute to the highest office in our great land. Times were tough and people scapegoated him, unfairly, in my opinion. Carter got into office and things didn't get better and he got ousted in one term. Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the finest men to sit as President, although he wasn't a good president. Mondale and Dukakis, both democrats were hounded for being dumb and ineffectual constantly. Nixon was a royal jackass and got everything he deserved. Nobody ever went out and lambasted arch-conservative Henry Kissinger. He was regarded as one of the greatest minds of the Nixon Administration.

So, no, I don't see that charges of liberal bias in the media is any more than whining. The media has been fair with most of the prominent figures of the Republican party, Gerry Ford being an exception.

Charges of the stupidity of Sarah Palin seem well founded. She then ups and quits as governor of Alaska and writes a book. Glad she didn't get elected to vice president...she's a quitter. Thats not unfair. She was elected and quit before her term had expired. If a person thinks that their family or their personal problems or any dirty laundry under the bed is more important than 300,000,000 Americans, they don't deserve to be elected ever again. If you quit because of one problem or another, it better be damned important enough to not want to run for office again. Oh, its been five years, everything's straightened out now. I want to run for elected office again. Bullshit.
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But you wouldn't question a presidential candidate that thought America has 57 states. That's precious- and funny.

There was a pretty good article on the lib-media treatment of Quayle entitled "Quayle Hunting - A Media Portrayal of Dan Quayle". Either you are wrong, or Mr Cahit is wrong - and his research is well documented.

Carter? you call him WHAT??? Jimmah Huessein Carter – Racist, Anti-Semite and Hypocrite. Why would you call him greatest anything? or do you support his anti-semitic statement? A person really can't have that one both ways! [url="http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6555"]http://97.74.65.51/r...aspx?ARTID=6555[/url] Not a bad read about this pillar of greatness.

Oh, and by the way, she never said she could, how did you quote it... "I can see Russia" from my back window". That is from a SNL skit... or are you calling SNL skits reality? Frightening!

What she said, for the record...

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in

You can go read the actual transcript of this interview at [url="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=2"]http://abcnews.go.co...=5782924&page=2[/url] But you are going to tell me the lib media didn't twist it and turn it to a mockery? Ok, I guess you are welcome to believe it. And by the way... you can easily see Russian land from Alaska, Not only is your quote incorrect, but Palin's statement was perfectly true.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Diomede_Islands_Bering_Sea_Jul_2006.jpg[/img]

Big island is Russian soil, Little Island is USA. I'm thinking you could even see that small of a span through LA smog! Here is a pano shot at Little Diomede. [url="http://www.bssd.org/download/dio_standing_place.mov"]http://www.bssd.org/...nding_place.mov[/url] Yep, I can see Russia. What I can't see is just how the average American sheeple can hear something, and never bother to actually find out the truth, then take the lie and run with it like it's a fact handed to Moses on a stone tablet!
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And your defense of one of the most incompetent and moronic public figures to ever grace the potential platform of VP in the United States says much about the right wing supporters of this country. I don't believe the left is any better, but to condone such blatant stupidity makes my head hurt. I'm done here.

Sonthert · January 22, 2010

[quote name='TheScotsman' date='19 January 2010 - 06:45 PM' timestamp='1263951920' post='446502']
[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 January 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1263508799' post='445390']
[b]I would question the competence of anyone in politics who didn't know there was a difference between South and North Korea. [/b]The "I can see Russia" from my back window comment is obviously blown out of proportion, she wasn't being literal.

No I don't think she's that smart. If there's a question as to whether a particular person is smart or not in the media, its because they are dumb. Yeah, I seem to be taking a lot of stock in the media all of a sudden. Dan Quayle, for instance, was regarded as very smart, but he was vague and didn't articulate well in some circumstances. The "liberal" bias media didn't call him stupid. Nobody has ever called Dick Cheney stupid, devious and crooked, but not stupid. Dan Quayle was also never accused of being devious and crooked either. Nobody has called into question the credentials or character of John McCain either..or his intentions. When the media is making sport of a person's character, its liberal bias. When they are treating McCain and Quayle with respect they are...fill in the blank. The media started calling Gore "Captain Ozone" when he was talking about the problems with the Ozone Layer when he was the Vice President under Clinton. They lambasted him until he disappeared without a trace for seven more years. Liberal bias...right? Jimmy Carter was not well loved, neither was Reagan. George H. Bush was regarded as shrewd and only made fun of during his unsuccessful bid for a second term, to my recollection. Ford was not the swiftest knife in the drawer, but he was fine and decent man. A tribute to the highest office in our great land. Times were tough and people scapegoated him, unfairly, in my opinion. Carter got into office and things didn't get better and he got ousted in one term. Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the finest men to sit as President, although he wasn't a good president. Mondale and Dukakis, both democrats were hounded for being dumb and ineffectual constantly. Nixon was a royal jackass and got everything he deserved. Nobody ever went out and lambasted arch-conservative Henry Kissinger. He was regarded as one of the greatest minds of the Nixon Administration.

So, no, I don't see that charges of liberal bias in the media is any more than whining. The media has been fair with most of the prominent figures of the Republican party, Gerry Ford being an exception.

Charges of the stupidity of Sarah Palin seem well founded. She then ups and quits as governor of Alaska and writes a book. Glad she didn't get elected to vice president...she's a quitter. Thats not unfair. She was elected and quit before her term had expired. If a person thinks that their family or their personal problems or any dirty laundry under the bed is more important than 300,000,000 Americans, they don't deserve to be elected ever again. If you quit because of one problem or another, it better be damned important enough to not want to run for office again. Oh, its been five years, everything's straightened out now. I want to run for elected office again. Bullshit.
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But you wouldn't question a presidential candidate that thought America has 57 states. That's precious- and funny.

There was a pretty good article on the lib-media treatment of Quayle entitled "Quayle Hunting - A Media Portrayal of Dan Quayle". Either you are wrong, or Mr Cahit is wrong - and his research is well documented.

Carter? you call him WHAT??? Jimmah Huessein Carter – Racist, Anti-Semite and Hypocrite. Why would you call him greatest anything? or do you support his anti-semitic statement? A person really can't have that one both ways! http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6555 Not a bad read about this pillar of greatness.

Oh, and by the way, she never said she could, how did you quote it... "I can see Russia" from my back window". That is from a SNL skit... or are you calling SNL skits reality? Frightening!

What she said, for the record...

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in

You can go read the actual transcript of this interview at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=2 But you are going to tell me the lib media didn't twist it and turn it to a mockery? Ok, I guess you are welcome to believe it. And by the way... you can easily see Russian land from Alaska, Not only is your quote incorrect, but Palin's statement was perfectly true.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Diomede_Islands_Bering_Sea_Jul_2006.jpg[/img]

Big island is Russian soil, Little Island is USA. I'm thinking you could even see that small of a span through LA smog! Here is a pano shot at Little Diomede. http://www.bssd.org/download/dio_standing_place.mov Yep, I can see Russia. What I can't see is just how the average American sheeple can hear something, and never bother to actually find out the truth, then take the lie and run with it like it's a fact handed to Moses on a stone tablet!
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Dan Quayle was not well-liked, but he wasn't unfairly shot at either. The comments regarding him were mixed and mostly reasonably fair. You can surely find unfair comments about him, but the media wasn't turning him over on a spit either...not like Gore or Palin...although they seemed to have changed direction on Gore in the past 10 years.

Why is it one of us is wrong? I'm saying the media wasn't overly harsh with him, although they did give him a going over every now and then. I'm not talking about the policies. I'm talking about their treatment of the man/woman. So give the loud Fox News Rhetoric a break. Your assertion that there is a liberal bias in the media is an opinion. Its not a fact. I find it to be largely conservative in fact.

Some people take the time to engage in reading comprehension, Sariel already pointed out that "I can see Russia." was a SNL skit and I corrected a poorly constructed sentence already. I said it was "Overblown" meaning that it was false.

That doesn't change the perception of a healthy percentage of the American Public that Sarah Palin is an idiot. You can get loud and Fox Newsy all you like. Its funny how Fox News believes that you can shout louder to change the popular view on things from what's likely true to what's not likely to be true. I watched the Vice Presidential debates. I thought Palin sounded like an idiot. Lots of other people did too. I also thought John Edwards sounded dumb and Hillary Clinton sounded pompous. Why do you expect people are going to have different opinions of people than they way they come off, in their own words in public? She also strikes me as being too slick in the ethics department too, which John McCain never seemed to be to me. George W. Bush struck me as mealy mouthed and deceptive.

In terms of Jimmy Carter, whether he is anti-Semetic or not makes no difference in my estimation of his work or his life, but it doesn't affect his character. I have never read anything that Jimmy Carter said or wrote that would lead me to believe he wasan anti-Semitic. In terms, the Director of the Anti-Defamation League accused Carter's Book "Palestine Peace not Apartheid" of being anti-Semitic, but also said that he felt that Jimmy Carter was not a bigot or anti-Semitic. So, you are disagreeing with the National Director of the Anti Defamation League who said Carter was not anti-Semitic? Based on what? I made similar observations on the general disregard Israel had for so-called Palestinians rights and I agree with the similarities between Israel and South Africa. When the government segregates citizenry based on some criteria or criterion, it is wrong. This was Carter's point, and I agree. It has nothing to do with race, religion or ethnic background.

Again, I think we have all said that Sarah Palin did not say "I can see Russia from my window." So, you are contending that a joke or a skit on SNL is what is 'making a mockery of her'. You seem to put too much faith in SNL now. The entire liberal media conspiracy hinges on Saturday Night Live and Tina Fey?

The whole conservative side whines and complains when the media has anything negative to say about the Republicans. They shout liberal bias.Then they use hostile defamatory phrases when referring to others they don't like. Similar to your use of "Jimmah Huessein Carter". Maybe if the conservatives would stop being hostile and bashing people, they wouldn't get bashed themselves. Or putting it more simply, Treat others as you would want to be treated. Give it some thought. Many liberals, including myself, see "the conservatives" as loud, hypocritical, sanctimonious and whiny. Statements mis-characterizing Jimmy Carter or Sarah Palin or Michael Moore or George W. Bush and intentionally being derogatory don't help our image of you guys. I didn't say "Sarah Stupid Palin" or "Slutah Palin". I referred to her as Sarah Palin. I also believe her to be an idiot. Repeating buzzwords and catch-phrases doesn't make for a more convincing argument.

I think some important new research is being conducted. Watching too much TV, especially Fox News rots your brain. Something like that.

TheScotsman · January 22, 2010

[quote name='Sonthert' date='21 January 2010 - 07:07 PM' timestamp='1264122427' post='446989']
[quote name='TheScotsman' date='19 January 2010 - 06:45 PM' timestamp='1263951920' post='446502']
[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 January 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1263508799' post='445390']
[b]I would question the competence of anyone in politics who didn't know there was a difference between South and North Korea. [/b]The "I can see Russia" from my back window comment is obviously blown out of proportion, she wasn't being literal.

No I don't think she's that smart. If there's a question as to whether a particular person is smart or not in the media, its because they are dumb. Yeah, I seem to be taking a lot of stock in the media all of a sudden. Dan Quayle, for instance, was regarded as very smart, but he was vague and didn't articulate well in some circumstances. The "liberal" bias media didn't call him stupid. Nobody has ever called Dick Cheney stupid, devious and crooked, but not stupid. Dan Quayle was also never accused of being devious and crooked either. Nobody has called into question the credentials or character of John McCain either..or his intentions. When the media is making sport of a person's character, its liberal bias. When they are treating McCain and Quayle with respect they are...fill in the blank. The media started calling Gore "Captain Ozone" when he was talking about the problems with the Ozone Layer when he was the Vice President under Clinton. They lambasted him until he disappeared without a trace for seven more years. Liberal bias...right? Jimmy Carter was not well loved, neither was Reagan. George H. Bush was regarded as shrewd and only made fun of during his unsuccessful bid for a second term, to my recollection. Ford was not the swiftest knife in the drawer, but he was fine and decent man. A tribute to the highest office in our great land. Times were tough and people scapegoated him, unfairly, in my opinion. Carter got into office and things didn't get better and he got ousted in one term. Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the finest men to sit as President, although he wasn't a good president. Mondale and Dukakis, both democrats were hounded for being dumb and ineffectual constantly. Nixon was a royal jackass and got everything he deserved. Nobody ever went out and lambasted arch-conservative Henry Kissinger. He was regarded as one of the greatest minds of the Nixon Administration.

So, no, I don't see that charges of liberal bias in the media is any more than whining. The media has been fair with most of the prominent figures of the Republican party, Gerry Ford being an exception.

Charges of the stupidity of Sarah Palin seem well founded. She then ups and quits as governor of Alaska and writes a book. Glad she didn't get elected to vice president...she's a quitter. Thats not unfair. She was elected and quit before her term had expired. If a person thinks that their family or their personal problems or any dirty laundry under the bed is more important than 300,000,000 Americans, they don't deserve to be elected ever again. If you quit because of one problem or another, it better be damned important enough to not want to run for office again. Oh, its been five years, everything's straightened out now. I want to run for elected office again. Bullshit.
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But you wouldn't question a presidential candidate that thought America has 57 states. That's precious- and funny.

There was a pretty good article on the lib-media treatment of Quayle entitled "Quayle Hunting - A Media Portrayal of Dan Quayle". Either you are wrong, or Mr Cahit is wrong - and his research is well documented.

Carter? you call him WHAT??? Jimmah Huessein Carter – Racist, Anti-Semite and Hypocrite. Why would you call him greatest anything? or do you support his anti-semitic statement? A person really can't have that one both ways! [url="http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6555"]http://97.74.65.51/r...aspx?ARTID=6555[/url] Not a bad read about this pillar of greatness.

Oh, and by the way, she never said she could, how did you quote it... "I can see Russia" from my back window". That is from a SNL skit... or are you calling SNL skits reality? Frightening!

What she said, for the record...

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in

You can go read the actual transcript of this interview at [url="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=2"]http://abcnews.go.co...=5782924&page=2[/url] But you are going to tell me the lib media didn't twist it and turn it to a mockery? Ok, I guess you are welcome to believe it. And by the way... you can easily see Russian land from Alaska, Not only is your quote incorrect, but Palin's statement was perfectly true.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Diomede_Islands_Bering_Sea_Jul_2006.jpg[/img]

Big island is Russian soil, Little Island is USA. I'm thinking you could even see that small of a span through LA smog! Here is a pano shot at Little Diomede. [url="http://www.bssd.org/download/dio_standing_place.mov"]http://www.bssd.org/...nding_place.mov[/url] Yep, I can see Russia. What I can't see is just how the average American sheeple can hear something, and never bother to actually find out the truth, then take the lie and run with it like it's a fact handed to Moses on a stone tablet!
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Dan Quayle was not well-liked, but he wasn't unfairly shot at either. The comments regarding him were mixed and mostly reasonably fair. You can surely find unfair comments about him, but the media wasn't turning him over on a spit either...not like Gore or Palin...although they seemed to have changed direction on Gore in the past 10 years.

Why is it one of us is wrong? I'm saying the media wasn't overly harsh with him, although they did give him a going over every now and then. I'm not talking about the policies. I'm talking about their treatment of the man/woman. So give the loud Fox News Rhetoric a break. Your assertion that there is a liberal bias in the media is an opinion. Its not a fact. I find it to be largely conservative in fact.

Some people take the time to engage in reading comprehension, Sariel already pointed out that "I can see Russia." was a SNL skit and I corrected a poorly constructed sentence already. I said it was "Overblown" meaning that it was false.

That doesn't change the perception of a healthy percentage of the American Public that Sarah Palin is an idiot. You can get loud and Fox Newsy all you like. Its funny how Fox News believes that you can shout louder to change the popular view on things from what's likely true to what's not likely to be true. I watched the Vice Presidential debates. I thought Palin sounded like an idiot. Lots of other people did too. I also thought John Edwards sounded dumb and Hillary Clinton sounded pompous. Why do you expect people are going to have different opinions of people than they way they come off, in their own words in public? She also strikes me as being too slick in the ethics department too, which John McCain never seemed to be to me. George W. Bush struck me as mealy mouthed and deceptive.

In terms of Jimmy Carter, whether he is anti-Semetic or not makes no difference in my estimation of his work or his life, but it doesn't affect his character. I have never read anything that Jimmy Carter said or wrote that would lead me to believe he wasan anti-Semitic. In terms, the Director of the Anti-Defamation League accused Carter's Book "Palestine Peace not Apartheid" of being anti-Semitic, but also said that he felt that Jimmy Carter was not a bigot or anti-Semitic. So, you are disagreeing with the National Director of the Anti Defamation League who said Carter was not anti-Semitic? Based on what? I made similar observations on the general disregard Israel had for so-called Palestinians rights and I agree with the similarities between Israel and South Africa. When the government segregates citizenry based on some criteria or criterion, it is wrong. This was Carter's point, and I agree. It has nothing to do with race, religion or ethnic background.

Again, I think we have all said that Sarah Palin did not say "I can see Russia from my window." So, you are contending that a joke or a skit on SNL is what is 'making a mockery of her'. You seem to put too much faith in SNL now. The entire liberal media conspiracy hinges on Saturday Night Live and Tina Fey?

The whole conservative side whines and complains when the media has anything negative to say about the Republicans. They shout liberal bias.Then they use hostile defamatory phrases when referring to others they don't like. Similar to your use of "Jimmah Huessein Carter". Maybe if the conservatives would stop being hostile and bashing people, they wouldn't get bashed themselves. Or putting it more simply, Treat others as you would want to be treated. Give it some thought. Many liberals, including myself, see "the conservatives" as loud, hypocritical, sanctimonious and whiny. Statements mis-characterizing Jimmy Carter or Sarah Palin or Michael Moore or George W. Bush and intentionally being derogatory don't help our image of you guys. I didn't say "Sarah Stupid Palin" or "Slutah Palin". I referred to her as Sarah Palin. I also believe her to be an idiot. Repeating buzzwords and catch-phrases doesn't make for a more convincing argument.

I think some important new research is being conducted. Watching too much TV, especially Fox News rots your brain. Something like that.
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Comprehention, that is funny too... overblown would seem to be a case of trying to make a big deal of nothing. That's not the same as completely lying about the statement which is what they did. You quoted the I can see russia statement, in your original post, just who were you quoting? It sure wasn't Palin, she never made the statement.

After years of listening to libs calling everyone that had a conservative view, any name they wanted, it's funny to see a lib get pissed when someone returns the favour. The libs in whole are not capable of dealing with the treatment they dished out for years. Ever listen to the now thankfully dead Air America? How about dead-ed schultz? They seem to thrive on insulting/demeaning names.

As a Jew, I find jimmah to be insulting on so many levels. He can be anti-semitic, I can be anti-jimmah. Would you expect a Black man to respect the grand wizzard? Why would that be any different?

I only get 2 channels on TV here, your attempted slight misses.

As far as media bias, how can you not see it? It's so easy to find, er... even a caveman could do it? :lol_hitting:

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report-new-evidence-of-liberal-media-bias-november-a/
http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf

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Ya, no negative bias against palin at all... Case closed on this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8 Give me a break, saying the media treated both sides the same, well, that is just plain silly.
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KyleTheJustin · January 22, 2010

I don't know what planet you live on, or if one of the two channels you receive happens to be Fox News, which would explain 90% of your drastically skewed right-wing ramblings, but Obama received his fair share of assault during his campaign. With politically skewed asshats like Limbaugh, Beck, and O'Reilly, the Republican party, at least as they are projected in mainstream media, gathers their arguments from bigotry, separatism, and constantly referring to the Bible as a text worth citing. I know a great deal of republicans that I respect and that deserve respect. Palin, much like Bush, did not and will not ever earn my respect. I strongly believe that both parties are set in place based on the interests of the few, but to say that Sarah Palin received unfair treatment when she couldn't even identify the Bush Doctrine, a staple piece of legislation in her party's platform post- (and some say pre) 9/11, demands no respect. I'm sorry. Ron Paul was laughed off of the Republican National Convention when he proposed what true conservatives, at least by definition, would seem viable and at the very least possible.

I respect people's position on the political spectrum to the utmost degree, but when you start to condone blatant stupidity masked by fundamentalist right-wing Christianity, you immediately lose my respect.

Sonthert · January 23, 2010

[quote name='TheScotsman' date='22 January 2010 - 11:45 AM' timestamp='1264185900' post='447100']
Comprehention, that is funny too... overblown would seem to be a case of trying to make a big deal of nothing. That's not the same as completely lying about the statement which is what they did. You quoted the I can see russia statement, in your original post, just who were you quoting? It sure wasn't Palin, she never made the statement.

After years of listening to libs calling everyone that had a conservative view, any name they wanted, it's funny to see a lib get pissed when someone returns the favour. The libs in whole are not capable of dealing with the treatment they dished out for years. Ever listen to the now thankfully dead Air America? How about dead-ed schultz? They seem to thrive on insulting/demeaning names.

As a Jew, I find jimmah to be insulting on so many levels. He can be anti-semitic, I can be anti-jimmah. Would you expect a Black man to respect the grand wizzard? Why would that be any different?

I only get 2 channels on TV here, your attempted slight misses.

As far as media bias, how can you not see it? It's so easy to find, er... even a caveman could do it? :lol_hitting:

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report-new-evidence-of-liberal-media-bias-november-a/
http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf

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Ya, no negative bias against palin at all... Case closed on this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8 Give me a break, saying the media treated both sides the same, well, that is just plain silly.
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:lol:

You could have just cut and pasted your first response over again!

Chreees · January 23, 2010

Well damn. Looks like Scotsman watches Fox News!

I mean, it's pretty obvious... He's being "fair and balanced!"

Hippo_Master · January 26, 2010

Palin supporters fall into only a couple categories:

1) She's a woman Conservative, I'm a woman Conservative
2) Fuck she's hot
3) Fuck her daughter is hot
4) I'm a Conservative so I have to love Palin
5) I'm deaf
6) I'm blind
7) I can't read good Edited January 26, 2010 by Hippo_Master

Sonthert · January 28, 2010

You can't read good? That's unpossible.

thatonethere · January 29, 2010

[quote name='Sonthert' date='28 January 2010 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1264717500' post='448191']
You can't read good? That's unpossible.
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Lmao!

Do whut now???? :justkidding:

Edited January 29, 2010 by thatonethere

johnp · January 29, 2010

This topic would be more interesting if more people actually differentiated between the Tina Fey caricature of Sarah Palin on "Saturday Night Live" and Sarah Palin herself. If there is no media bias in favor of the democrat party (the same party that argued to continue segregation in the 60's...yet somehow makes itself out to be the champion of minorities now...) then why did all of the satire mocking President Obama or VP Joe Biden, et al... conveniently wait until after the election?

Why do people still seriously bring up the "I can see Russia from my house!" (Tina Fey) in serious discussions about Sarah Palin?
At least she doesn't need a teleprompter to speak to fourth graders, knows there aren't 57 states (where's the mockery, hmmm?) and never once suggested that somehow tripling our debt would somehow pay us OUT of debt. Even Pres. Bush didn't try to pull THAT one on us...yet President Obama does EXACTLY that...and gets a pass?

PLEASE.

Secondly, it's interesting to see people mock FOX news, when based on their statements it is quite obvious they have no idea what the network actually airs. If there is a vast conservative slant to the media, then why is it only FOX news is mentioned? Those of you with Socialist/Communist political leanings (no, I'm not name-calling...look up what those words mean, it might surprise you) have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, the list goes on...so the math does not support your claim of a lean to the right.
FOX is the only network that doesn't toe the party line; doesn't mean their coverage is wrong, only that it doesn't follow your political leanings.

Finally, James "Jimmy" Carter, former President of the U.S.....is IMHO a traitor. There, I've said it. He gave away more strategic advantage to our enemies without even a nod to the people, than Benedict Arnold ever did. Panama Canal, China, 100 million dead, red brigades....back room deals....it all runs together somehow.... The fact that he is a racist, anti-semitic traitor is no surprise whatsoever.

Of course if you don't read his writings, and ignore what he's actually done or said, he's from most accounts a decent HFH carpenter.
At least Benedict Arnold won us some victories before turning traitor.

Just my opinion.

Hippo_Master · January 29, 2010

[quote name='johnp' date='29 January 2010 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1264744967' post='448304']
This topic would be more interesting if more people actually differentiated between the Tina Fey caricature of Sarah Palin on "Saturday Night Live" and Sarah Palin herself. If there is no media bias in favor of the democrat party (the same party that argued to continue segregation in the 60's...yet somehow makes itself out to be the champion of minorities now...) then why did all of the satire mocking President Obama or VP Joe Biden, et al... conveniently wait until after the election?

Why do people still seriously bring up the "I can see Russia from my house!" (Tina Fey) in serious discussions about Sarah Palin?
At least she doesn't need a teleprompter to speak to fourth graders, knows there aren't 57 states (where's the mockery, hmmm?) and never once suggested that somehow tripling our debt would somehow pay us OUT of debt. Even Pres. Bush didn't try to pull THAT one on us...yet President Obama does EXACTLY that...and gets a pass?

PLEASE.

Secondly, it's interesting to see people mock FOX news, when based on their statements it is quite obvious they have no idea what the network actually airs. If there is a vast conservative slant to the media, then why is it only FOX news is mentioned? Those of you with Socialist/Communist political leanings (no, I'm not name-calling...look up what those words mean, it might surprise you) have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, the list goes on...so the math does not support your claim of a lean to the right.
FOX is the only network that doesn't toe the party line; doesn't mean their coverage is wrong, only that it doesn't follow your political leanings.

Finally, James "Jimmy" Carter, former President of the U.S.....is IMHO a traitor. There, I've said it. He gave away more strategic advantage to our enemies without even a nod to the people, than Benedict Arnold ever did. Panama Canal, China, 100 million dead, red brigades....back room deals....it all runs together somehow.... The fact that he is a racist, anti-semitic traitor is no surprise whatsoever.

Of course if you don't read his writings, and ignore what he's actually done or said, he's from most accounts a decent HFH carpenter.
At least Benedict Arnold won us some victories before turning traitor.

Just my opinion.
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Bill O'Reilly & Glenn Beck. Case closed.

Fox News leans so far to the right that they are basically licking Rush Limbaugh's asshole. Your argument is that everyone who hates Fox News simply isn't a Conservative? Well of course, because only Conservatives listen to the crap on Fox News. Of course it is against all of our political views, but we are saying that Fox News is a terrible place to get news because it's impossible to hear anything not involving the word "Socialism" on that channel.

Sarah Palin was mocked because she was [i]so fucking easy[/i] to mock. Have you seen her Katie Couric interview? It's like she's retarded.

Not everyone who disagrees with Conservative views is a Democrat or a Nazi or from the U.S.S.R. There's a good amount of retarded things democratic politicians and citizens do, like drive around a Prius to use as a status symbol or give us empty promises. Yet democrats aren't NEARLY as awful as Conservatives. Conservatives push their religious doctrine, "family values" and vendetta against Socialism much harder than any non-conservative pushes their views. Like Rush Limbaugh. Why would you want to be affiliated with a thing like that? I never hear a dem preaching their views like the filth that radiates from Fox. All a non-conservative has to do is simply talk to a conservative or watch them on TV to know how undeniably pathetic and irritating it is to know Conservatives Exist.

johnp · January 30, 2010

[quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456']
[quote name='johnp' date='29 January 2010 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1264744967' post='448304']
This topic would be more interesting if more people actually differentiated between the Tina Fey caricature of Sarah Palin on "Saturday Night Live" and Sarah Palin herself. If there is no media bias in favor of the democrat party (the same party that argued to continue segregation in the 60's...yet somehow makes itself out to be the champion of minorities now...) then why did all of the satire mocking President Obama or VP Joe Biden, et al... conveniently wait until after the election?

Why do people still seriously bring up the "I can see Russia from my house!" (Tina Fey) in serious discussions about Sarah Palin?
At least she doesn't need a teleprompter to speak to fourth graders, knows there aren't 57 states (where's the mockery, hmmm?) and never once suggested that somehow tripling our debt would somehow pay us OUT of debt. Even Pres. Bush didn't try to pull THAT one on us...yet President Obama does EXACTLY that...and gets a pass?

PLEASE.

Secondly, it's interesting to see people mock FOX news, when based on their statements it is quite obvious they have no idea what the network actually airs. If there is a vast conservative slant to the media, then why is it only FOX news is mentioned? Those of you with Socialist/Communist political leanings (no, I'm not name-calling...look up what those words mean, it might surprise you) have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, the list goes on...so the math does not support your claim of a lean to the right.
FOX is the only network that doesn't toe the party line; doesn't mean their coverage is wrong, only that it doesn't follow your political leanings.

Finally, James "Jimmy" Carter, former President of the U.S.....is IMHO a traitor. There, I've said it. He gave away more strategic advantage to our enemies without even a nod to the people, than Benedict Arnold ever did. Panama Canal, China, 100 million dead, red brigades....back room deals....it all runs together somehow.... The fact that he is a racist, anti-semitic traitor is no surprise whatsoever.

Of course if you don't read his writings, and ignore what he's actually done or said, he's from most accounts a decent HFH carpenter.
At least Benedict Arnold won us some victories before turning traitor.

Just my opinion.
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Bill O'Reilly & Glenn Beck. Case closed.

Fox News leans so far to the right that they are basically licking Rush Limbaugh's asshole. Your argument is that everyone who hates Fox News simply isn't a Conservative? Well of course, because only Conservatives listen to the crap on Fox News. Of course it is against all of our political views, but we are saying that Fox News is a terrible place to get news because it's impossible to hear anything not involving the word "Socialism" on that channel. [/quote]
Please re-read my quote. I never said FOX wasn't conservative, however I did point out that it was the ONLY conservative station I've seen. What concerns me is that the other stations' talking heads as well as most media personalities (ahem, Tina Fey) encourage a lock-step march into not only socialism but Marxism as if it were some sort of salvation. Only, unlike FOX, they find other, more appealing names to call it. A spade is a spade, and just because FOX is the only one pointing it out, doesn't mean it isn't a spade, even if other networks call it a "landscape improvement device". This blind march into such things has never bode well throughout history and they are always the same, with different names. First, the "rich" are demonized as having taken somehow "more than their fair share"-without regard to how they arrived at this-and are punished, first through taxes and then through more severe means... kristalnacht, pogroms, etc. and the people blindly follow, never considering they are dooming themselves to never being successful, and ultimately, since it is not the poor who hire others for work, everyone becomes beholden to the state-which all along has begun offering more and more social programs for the "poor" or "workers" etc etc.
It is like a paint by numbers and we are well on our way. The Nazis did it prior to and after Hitler, (yeah I know, the internet law) Russians did it under Stalin, China under Chairman Mao, the list goes on and it always ends with millions dead at worst and in every case, a government controlling everything with an iron fist (ask a Russian who lived under Stalin, or better yet, someone who lived in the Warsaw pact countries...) how well such programs ultimately work.
They don't. Social programs controlled by an ever more powerful central government always benefit said government, and not the freedom of its people. Hence when people ring the alarm bell of "socialism" it is with reason. Some do not wish us legislated into slavery.

[quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456'] Palin was mocked because she was [i]so fucking easy[/i] to mock. Have you seen her Katie Couric interview? It's like she's retarded. [/quote] and yet, the savior of mankind, now in the White House....did in fact say he had campaigned in 57 states....and without a teleprompter devolves into "Uhhhh....ummm....errrrrr" worse than a 7th grade debate student. Yet he was thrown softballs or nothing at all, while Sarah Palin was given questions about a Bush policy the interviewer had no doubt studied, but she had not been afforded that opportunity. Did she founder? sure. Was this the interviewer's plan all along? I think so. When this is done during an election to one side but not the other, it calls into question the neutrality of the network. There were few or perhaps no "tough questions" thrown at Obama before the election.

[quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456'] everyone who disagrees with Conservative views is a Democrat or a Nazi or from the U.S.S.R. [/quote] Careful you do not put words in my mouth that I have not said. Nor for that matter has FOX...however if you look back...all the "Nazi" name calling was DONE by the Democrats, who obviously would say ANYTHING to regain power, not the other way around. There were some pretty unforgivable things said by politicians as well as the network types as I recall. I wouldn't urinate on Senator Murtha if he were on fire... every network (but FOX) was all too quick to make assumptions before the facts were in, so long as it looked bad on the Bush administration, or the military.
Remember all the commentary about how long it took to get aid to Katrina? (it was being sent before the hurricane even hit...) Where is that commentary about President Obama's attempts in Haiti? Oh wait...NOW the other networks understand that "These things take time"[quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456'] a good amount of retarded things democratic politicians and citizens do, like drive around a Prius to use as a status symbol or give us empty promises. Yet democrats aren't NEARLY as awful as Conservatives.[/quote]Democrats aren't...but liberals are WORSE. President Kennedy, were he alive today-would be FAR to the right of many Republicans...and the closest thing to the leading cadre in the Democratic party today...were in East Germany. [quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456']Conservatives push their religious doctrine,[/quote] When? are you basing this in fact? Sure, some conservatives are religious...however if someone wants to be religious, that is protected by the Constitution. For now... [quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456']family values"[/quote]there are Democrats with family values too. [quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456'] vendetta against Socialism much harder than any non-conservative pushes their views. [/quote]Really?you can't be serious. Last I checked, religion is banned from schools (unless you are Muslim, apparently...the "system" is still figuring out how to control that group like others with religious values), socialism is vaunted, (with barely a nod to the hundred plus million who were either starved or murdered to establish it in other nations) and everything evil associated with Socialism or the left is then spun to *seem* as if it applied to the right. Conservatives are called "right wing" and "liberals" are called "left wing"-a reference derived from French politics I believe-and then liberals cloud the issue, calling themselves "progressives" (because, "Hey, if you're against [i]progress[/i]....") and even falsely call conservatives the "Nazis".
Who were...not right wing as you might think....but left. If anything the vendetta is BY the Socialists and Marxists, and against [i]conservatives[/i]. All conservatives are doing is complaining while the Socialists are fitting everyone with chains.
Freedoms are almost always attacked most viciously from the left...be it right to bear arms, freedom of religion, or even freedom of speech...then the left invents non-existent rights (per the Constitution, anyway) to frighten citizens into thinking conservatives are somehow "evil" or going to take their rights away.
Case in point: wiretapping. Common practice to tap into known terrorists' phones overseas to attempt to find out what their plans were. This was widely done under Clinton as well. Strangely...it never made news until liberals could pin the practice on Bush... but the spin wasn't that phones were being tapped in Afghanistan to help find their sleeper agents in the US; no, rather, it was claimed "the BUSH administration is tapping American phone calls!". So, if there is another 9-11 planned, its instigators at least know their instructions from abroad will not be listened to. No judicial warrant comes that fast.

[quote name='Hippo_Master' date='29 January 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1264809033' post='448456'] Rush Limbaugh. Why would you want to be affiliated with a thing like that? I never hear a dem preaching their views like the filth that radiates from Fox. All a non-conservative has to do is simply talk to a conservative or watch them on TV to know how undeniably pathetic and irritating it is to know Conservatives Exist.
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And yet, you listen to the "unbiased reporting" of those who get tingling sensations down their leg, others who manufacture documents or do not vet them (ahem Dan Rather) called Marines in Haditha all murderers, ....all well before not only US but Iraqi investigations were done-and those are NEWS REPORTERS, people who are supposed to be professionals, about FACTS. Rush Limbaugh is a talk-show host. Unless you want me to base everything about democrats on Rosie O'Donnell, it bears a deeper look at the NEWS portion. Incidentally, every one of those Marines were cleared, both by Iraqi and US investigators. It only made Fox. So, those men's lives are ruined based on a LIE told about them by your favored networks, but somehow FOX is the bad guy again.
This President has openly called for a national police force...as strong as the military... and people cheered, because he is a democrat, or because he is (part) black, or because he is a liberal.
Never mind such an organization would not be held to Posse Comitatus....
So...conservatives (and Bush especially) are called "Nazi" by the left, and perhaps many like yourself....based on horror stories created *by your own side* about conservatives, and often with little basis in fact, and a liberal openly calls for creating the equivalent of the Gestapo....and you cheer.

Is this only ironic to me? perhaps it gives you a tingle down your leg like a certain network anchor, but the only sensation it gives me is a chill down my spine.

KyleTheJustin · January 30, 2010

[quote name='johnp' date='28 January 2010 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1264744967' post='448304']
This topic would be more interesting if more people actually differentiated between the Tina Fey caricature of Sarah Palin on "Saturday Night Live" and Sarah Palin herself. If there is no media bias in favor of the democrat party (the same party that argued to continue segregation in the 60's...yet somehow makes itself out to be the champion of minorities now...) then why did all of the satire mocking President Obama or VP Joe Biden, et al... conveniently wait until after the election?

Why do people still seriously bring up the "I can see Russia from my house!" (Tina Fey) in serious discussions about Sarah Palin?
At least she doesn't need a teleprompter to speak to fourth graders, knows there aren't 57 states (where's the mockery, hmmm?) and never once suggested that somehow tripling our debt would somehow pay us OUT of debt. Even Pres. Bush didn't try to pull THAT one on us...yet President Obama does EXACTLY that...and gets a pass?

PLEASE.

Secondly, it's interesting to see people mock FOX news, when based on their statements it is quite obvious they have no idea what the network actually airs. If there is a vast conservative slant to the media, then why is it only FOX news is mentioned? Those of you with Socialist/Communist political leanings (no, I'm not name-calling...look up what those words mean, it might surprise you) have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, the list goes on...so the math does not support your claim of a lean to the right.
FOX is the only network that doesn't toe the party line; doesn't mean their coverage is wrong, only that it doesn't follow your political leanings.

Finally, James "Jimmy" Carter, former President of the U.S.....is IMHO a traitor. There, I've said it. He gave away more strategic advantage to our enemies without even a nod to the people, than Benedict Arnold ever did. Panama Canal, China, 100 million dead, red brigades....back room deals....it all runs together somehow.... The fact that he is a racist, anti-semitic traitor is no surprise whatsoever.

Of course if you don't read his writings, and ignore what he's actually done or said, he's from most accounts a decent HFH carpenter.
At least Benedict Arnold won us some victories before turning traitor.

Just my opinion.
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Oh, please and thank you. I've been waiting for this type of argument to come out about President Obama. Let's look at the facts before we start throwing out numbers that your ass (or mine, for that matter) can't cash: President Obama came into office when the United States was at an all-time low. Not since FDR has the United States seen such a shitty economy, and to further place the blame on Obama literally just ignores the clusterfuck that took place before he took office. To keep the argument on the past Retard in Chief as short as possible, look at the bill for the Iraq war and then come back to me and being telling me about the current economic situation. No matter what figures you pull out of your ass, none, and I mean none, will compare to the trillions of dollars wasted on a war that did nothing more than make America look like a bunch of bullying pricks--a task the Obama administration has taken upon themselves to go out and fix, hence the trips to foreign countries to apologize for past idiotic actions.

Now let's get on to Sarah Palin. First, I should let you know that I don't identify myself as a democrat by any means. I see both sides of the spectrum as being elitist capitalist that want nothing more than to rule the entire world, so my argument comes from blatant facts that cannot go unnoticed. Now, having said that, let's get back to Mrs. Palin. Sarah Palin, in the simplest way possible, is a plum retard. No evidence will ever be able to sway my opinion from label based on what she broadcasted to the world on a daily basis. Sure, Obama has said some dumb shit, and I'm sure there is much, much more to come, but at least when he speaks to the people of his nation he doesn't seem like a mindless cheerleader that uses the cute card to get out of jail free. That, by no means, is a sexist comment since I think plenty of women are fantastic public speakers--most of them better than men. My argument against Sarah Palin roots itself deep in her inability to communicate and furthermore to think. The only reason she received half of the support she did--and this relates back to the mindlessness that accompanies various forms of news broadcasting--boils down to the right-wing Christian vote that she somehow managed to swing. It's not too difficult to persuade anyone with the "God" option, and Sarah Palin sure as hell gathered all of those individuals who couldn't think for themselves.

Case in point, she's a moron. Always has been, always will be, and I'll be damned if I consider myself an American citizen if that kind of blatant stupidity ever makes it into office. There, I didn't refer back to any of her "cute" fallouts on TV. Instead, like most of us have done in this post, I've outlined how completely moronic she really is. Watch any of her interviews and see the hilarity ensue. If lack of intelligence and a cutesie attitude is all that it takes to win the hearts of millions in America,--an idea that shouldn't come as a surprise, since we devote our time to shows like American Idol--then the future of this country looks very bleak and will ultimately fade out rather quickly.

And socialist/communist leanings? Suck my balls those fucking stations lean in my fucking direction. That's a disgrace to anyone who considers themself socialist or communist. You, my friend, need to re-read what the hell it means to be a socialist or communist, because clearly your Wikipedia one-time search isn't doing much to support your argument. No news station out there is far enough to the left to consider themselves anywhere remotely close to socialist or communist. That's just a disgusting statement to make. Fox News, on the other hand, does a pretty fantastic job of promoting an very rightist ideology. I can't say I have a problem with it being on TV, since any network should be able to broadcast anything they want. But, believe me, if any news station considered themselves "socialist" or "communist," I guarantee you those asshats at Fox News would throw a fucking fit and do everything in their power to stifle that idea. How do I know this? You support the channel (Fox) and placed fucking ABC and NBC in the realm of socialism and communism. Even if it's "leanings" like you stated, which is, again, horseshit, you are still reinforcing everything that Fox News does right: make stupid comments and presuppose you are correct based on terms you have no familiarity with.

Jimmy Carter, well, you guys can fight it out over him.

acolorado · January 30, 2010

Sarah Palin is not legally able to become President of the United States because she was born in Canada.

This is why she has never publicly displayed her birth certificate, since it would disqualify her for office.

All she has to do is show us and the question is settled - but she never will, will she?

KyleTheJustin · January 30, 2010

If she was born in Canada, which is news to me, then that is the only other piece of crap that Canada has turned out aside from Nickleback.

johnp · February 1, 2010

[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555']
Oh, please and thank you. I've been waiting for this type of argument to come out about President Obama. Let's look at the facts before we start throwing out numbers that your ass (or mine, for that matter) can't cash: President Obama came into office when the United States was at an all-time low. [/quote]
With the exception of (non-wartime President) Carter, once adjusted for inflation. So one wonders, if we were at an "all time low" when Obama was elected then how is his spending at a rate astronomically higher even than President Bush somehow supposed to be the "solution" to our having spent too much? It doesn't bear out under closer inspection, yet (here at least) the administration is broadcasting this accelerated spending as if it were the solution to the wartime spending under the Bush administration. Imagine if Bush had said "I want to increase the spending limit and spend three times as much..." and presented this as a [i]solution[/i]. It would not have flown. It baffles me that President Obama can do EXACTLY that and somehow this flies under the radar. We are [i]lower[/i] by a good bit than the lowest point during the Bush administration, and it keeps getting worse, not better....Obama's been here a year, time to stop blaming the past (when things were actually *better*) and accept some responsibility and change the course instead of hitting the gas in the same direction.
[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555'] Not since FDR has the United States seen such a shitty economy, and to further place the blame on Obama literally just ignores the clusterfuck that took place before he took office. To keep the argument on the past Retard in Chief as short as possible, look at the bill for the Iraq war and then come back to me and being telling me about the current economic situation. No matter what figures you pull out of your ass, none, and I mean none, will compare to the trillions of dollars wasted on a war that did nothing more than make America look like a bunch of bullying pricks--a task the Obama administration has taken upon themselves to go out and fix, hence the trips to foreign countries to apologize for past idiotic actions.[/quote]
First off, a media culture in favor of the opposing party during an election didn't help with the "bullying prick" issue, and Obama's "apology tour" was for all the wrong reasons to all the wrong people. He wanted to be seen as the "world's" president, (he, like Bush is a globalist and feels little allegiance to the US) and continually demonstrates he will put this "global" cause in front of the wishes of the very nation (and it's voters) that elected him. Something which is reflected in his dropping popularity here.
Secondly, I can surmise you did not serve, so you have no idea what is or is not taking place either in Afghanistan or Iraq-then you accuse me of pulling numbers out of my nether regions, all the while believing wholesale numbers that you have pulled out of your own or someone else who has equally little clue.
Third, feel free to pull up wiki or whoever you wish and look at every single war the US (or for that matter ANY country) has fought crossed with their national debt. The US debt shot through the roof for WWII, then REALLY skyrocketed for Korea after traitors gave the Soviet Union plans for atomic weapons (which they proceeded to manufacture) and the cold war started in earnest.
Likewise, the debt increased in 1991, and 2003 onward is and should be no different. The primary difference in 2003 and before? Now, people insist on a "smart" weapon that cannot possibly miss its target, they want to have nearly zero chance of collateral damage-because in the US politicians like being reelected. Smart weapons are exponentially more expensive than a "dumb bomb" used in previous warfare. Million dollars a shot, and the price goes high pretty fast. This is also why the numbers once quoted of "millions of innocent civilians" stated around the time of the election (but now refuted) were not only over inflated but false... Yet, the debt [i]today[/i] is more than twice what it was in Bush's [i]worst[/i] year, and the jobless rate is through the roof-yet the administration keeps making more rules to punish "businesses". Who do they think HIRES people, anyway?.
What Doesn't make sense is that somehow, to "solve" this "mess" they keep pointing out, they want to spend MORE money. The recent "spending freeze" is a ruse-if you look at the spending (it's all public information, btw) this administration tripled the budgets on the affected programs, raising them higher than any point in history. So...next election, the cumulative result is [i]seeming[/i] to have cut spending when instead they raised it.

[[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555'] let's get on to Sarah Palin. First, I should let you know that I don't identify myself as a democrat by any means. I see both sides of the spectrum as being elitist capitalist that want nothing more than to rule the entire world, so my argument comes from blatant facts that cannot go unnoticed. [/quote]
The first part is something I tend to agree with, believe it or not-I tend to think both parties in my country as well as your own have groups not loyal to their own country so much as the promise of even [i]more[/i] power under a Global system...We'll see...but for the second, so far you haven't posted any facts, just opinions or observations...
[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555']having said that, let's get back to Mrs. Palin. Sarah Palin, in the simplest way possible, is a plum retard. No evidence will ever be able to sway my opinion from label based on what she broadcasted to the world on a daily basis. [/quote] More "facts" I see. You are disappointing me. To be honest I doubt you've actually watched her on a daily basis, either.....
[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555']Obama has said some dumb shit, and I'm sure there is much, much more to come, but so
at least when he speaks to the people of his nation he doesn't seem like a mindless cheerleader that uses the cute card to get out of jail free.[/quote] So you'll give [i]him[/i] a pass...is it because you like how he looks in a suit? Morons come in every shape, size, creed, sex, color and build... No, he has a teleprompter that he uses religiously and cannot speak well without, not even to fourth graders. ANYONE would look poised and intelligent if they were provided something intelligent to say at all times without having to come up with it themselves...
[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555'] That, by no means, is a sexist comment since I think plenty of women are fantastic public speakers--most of them better than men. My argument against Sarah Palin roots itself deep in her inability to communicate and furthermore to think. The only reason she received half of the support she did--and this relates back to the mindlessness that accompanies various forms of news broadcasting--boils down to the right-wing Christian vote that she somehow managed to swing. It's not too difficult to persuade anyone with the "God" option, and Sarah Palin sure as hell gathered all of those individuals who couldn't think for themselves. [/quote] (More "facts" I see) You are wrong. For starters your entire statement is classic sexism, since you do not apply the "ability to think" statement equally to President Obama, and you are also wrong about the "right-wing Christian vote". People in the U.S. generally love freedom. However during the election (and yes there was a study done) the McCain campaign was overwhelmingly represented by the networks in a [url="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14829.html"]negative light[/url] , meanwhile more than a triple the amount was spent on the Obama campaign, (more than any campaign in history). Honestly I believe the real reason McCain didn't get a better showing had NOTHING to do with people disliking Sarah Palin-the people who didn't like her were like yourself-not likely to vote Republican ANYWAY...but everything to do with the fact John McCain based on his voting record, is a Republican but conservative [i]in name only[/i] and it's quite possible Barack Obama is [i]more conservative[/i] than HE is.
Conservatives (polls show a majority of Americans consider themselves [url="http://www.gallup.com/poll/124958/Conservatives-Finish-2009-No-1-Ideological-Group.aspx"]conservatives[/url], even Democrats) who voted for Bush the first time did so because they thought he was a conservative. He was not. However the Democratic party ran a man against him who was at best a liar and at worst a traitor, so they couldn't vote for him. So Bush, even though not nearly as conservative as they had hoped and even worse, likely a globalist like his father, won re-election.
John McCain... well, to people of his own party, if not the leaders...is a sell out on most of the issues conservatives consider important. Nobody cares if he's a Republican, even Republicans...rather, when elected, would he support the wishes of his constituents instead of betraying them by trying to "straddle" the aisle and appease the current left-wing leadership of the Democratic party. McCain didn't have a chance, and contrary to top party thinkers, it wasn't because he didn't appeal to liberals enough or even because Palin seemed too right wing. Liberals were going to vote for his opponent anyway, and conservatives...the majority remember, had no candidate that appealed to them. I present that we are all being played, and both parties are just a charade for the real people pulling the strings. Otherwise why would one have to be so ridiculously funded and connected as candidates today are, to run for President? The days of educated regular citizens having a chance are long gone, so the string-pullers have a vetting process before parading their ponies in front of us. Even though we may elect one or the other...the same club owns both ponies, I suspect.

[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555'] Case in point, she's a moron. Always has been, always will be, and I'll be damned if I consider myself an American citizen if that kind of blatant stupidity ever makes it into office. There, I didn't refer back to any of her "cute" fallouts on TV. Instead, like most of us have done in this post, I've outlined how completely moronic she really is. Watch any of her interviews and see the hilarity ensue. If lack of intelligence and a cutesie attitude is all that it takes to win the hearts of millions in America,--an idea that shouldn't come as a surprise, since we devote our time to shows like American Idol--then the future of this country looks very bleak and will ultimately fade out rather quickly.[/quote] Saying "case in point" before your opinion does not make it an incontrovertible fact... and for what its worth I never saw any of the cutsie things you are referring to. Perhaps you, like many I've talked to...have already confused the SNL skit by Tina Fey...with reality.

[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555'] And socialist/communist leanings? Suck my balls those fucking stations lean in my fucking direction. That's a disgrace to anyone who considers themself socialist or communist. You, my friend, need to re-read what the hell it means to be a socialist or communist, because clearly your Wikipedia one-time search isn't doing much to support your argument. [/quote] What's the matter, the truth hurt? A centralized government providing more and more for EVERYONE....? that's text book Socialism. How's that universal health care sounding...how do you think it will sound when doctors are no more than public servants much like the people where you got your drivers' license? Or when some bureaucrat decides if you are a worthy risk to provide a necessary procedure for at taxpayer expense....(?) How about the idea that if you make too much or are too successful the government is going to punish you or take over your industry, then "donate" your "excesses" to those who have done nothing to earn it? Community ownership....regardless of production....hmmm sounds like [i]communism[/i] to me. Perhaps the definition has changed since the days of Chairman Mao and the red brigades...but I am unaware of any new definition in the last few years.

[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555'] No news station out there is far enough to the left to consider themselves anywhere remotely close to socialist or communist. That's just a disgusting statement to make. Fox News, on the other hand, does a pretty fantastic job of promoting an very rightist ideology. I can't say I have a problem with it being on TV, since any network should be able to broadcast anything they want. But, believe me, if any news station considered themselves "socialist" or "communist," I guarantee you those asshats at Fox News would throw a fucking fit and do everything in their power to stifle that idea.[/quote] Please back up the first statement-again use their NEWS reporting....if you can, which I doubt, and provide a few of the facts you referred to in your post...I suspect when you look at the empirical evidence you will find your statements about FOX to have been misguided at best.
[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1264877452' post='448555'] How do I know this? You support the channel (Fox) and placed fucking ABC and NBC in the realm of socialism and communism. Even if it's "leanings" like you stated, which is, again, horseshit, you are still reinforcing everything that Fox News does right: make stupid comments and presuppose you are correct based on terms you have no familiarity with.

Jimmy Carter, well, you guys can fight it out over him.
[/quote]
FOX was slammed before I made my points so I did not fire the first shot, but I stand by my statements, based on the ideology and political bent promoted by the major network anchors as well as their choice of coverage (and how little mention they give their mistakes....) As far as making stupid comments presupposed to be correct....etc etc. I believe that is what you were just doing... because it is quite obvious you've never actually watched Fox news and found their reporting to be inaccurate.

acolorado, while it bears pointing out that Sarah Palin was not running for President, but VP, it is also interesting that exactly this problem hasn't deterred Obama from becoming President; he has more sealed records than any President in US history, including the one that discloses where (and when) he was born. There is a birth certificate being circulated online that proves nothing of course, as it is the one parents mail off for and could say just about anything. Hawaii does claim to have the record, but will not say it says Pres. Obama was born in Hawaii or when (if he were born before 1948, even in Hawaii, he would be ineligible to be President) and Obama has spent huge amounts of money in legal fees to keep this document from being released, which arouses suspicion. Perhaps he is a citizen and it is a simple matter of embarrassment. At any rate, with the proper media support, goes to show one can do just about anything he wants. The media, IMHO runs the country, not the voters. If the media liked Palin, we now have a precedent set which tells us if she was indeed born in Canada, they could care less-but only if she were a Democrat liberal.

Who knows, but it is also likely that if we find out it will be after the next election if only due to the chaos that would ensue if he were found to have been ineligible in the first place. There would be shooting. Perhaps open warfare in the streets. So if it was a scam, he got away with it, for now. If not, one wonders what could be so embarrassing to warrant the amounts he's spent to keep it sealed. Seems a simple process...after all even McCain had to go through congressional vetting to determine his eligibility due to being born abroad on a military base. Obama....is already President, seems it would follow his claim of an "openness" policy to simply unseal it.
However I cannot begin to guess other than that the man has his reasons, whatever they might be.

Sariél · February 2, 2010

[quote name='acolorado' date='30 January 2010 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1264882435' post='448571']
Sarah Palin is not legally able to become President of the United States because she was born in Canada.

This is why she has never publicly displayed her birth certificate, since it would disqualify her for office.

All she has to do is show us and the question is settled - but she never will, will she?
[/quote]

[quote name='KyleTheJustin' date='30 January 2010 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1264885353' post='448591']
If she was born in Canada, which is news to me, then that is the only other piece of crap that Canada has turned out aside from Nickleback.
[/quote]

This is all just recycled crap, grasping at straws. Neither side has any credibility for these claims. Get your facts straight, you completely forgot Celine Dion! :girl_devil:

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