king_lunchb0x Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 hey guise, need some help. I know what your thinking another newb post from this lunchb0x guy. And im with ya, but i am at a stand still right now. I just got the 32" tye dye pear km, love it btw. I had ben using some crap 19" chinese hookah and i must say i got it to smoke well. But when i use my new km i dont get any clouds and its pretty hard to pull. I used mattrios mizo packing method for the mizo watermelon. Filled the base with ice water about 1/3"-/12" above the stem. Unfortantly i wont be home to later so i will be taking pics of everything that i set up. I use 4 ch coals to top off my medium havanna bowl. My guess is that i am not making big enough holes, i use a small needle to poke the holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='king_lunchb0x' date='10 December 2009 - 08:31 AM' timestamp='1260455519' post='437593'] hey guise, need some help. I know what your thinking another newb post from this lunchb0x guy. And im with ya, but i am at a stand still right now. I just got the 32" tye dye pear km, love it btw. I had ben using some crap 19" chinese hookah and i must say i got it to smoke well. But when i use my new km i dont get any clouds and its pretty hard to pull. I used mattrios mizo packing method for the mizo watermelon. Filled the base with ice water about 1/3"-/12" above the stem. Unfortantly i wont be home to later so i will be taking pics of everything that i set up. I use 4 ch coals to top off my medium havanna bowl. My guess is that i am not making big enough holes, i use a small needle to poke the holes. [/quote] The needle may definitely be your problem. I use a toothpick to poke holes through the foil and shisha on the outer ring and frequently use a thumbtack (which won't reach through the shisha for inner rings. Seems to work great for me. Sometimes, though I just use the toothpick and go all the way through the shisha on all the holes, I just don't poke a ton of holes. I'm big on fluffing my shisha so there's plenty of air pockets in it, this also helps air flow for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majid Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Test the components. -First unhook the hose and just suck in air through it, if it's an easy pull that part is fine. -Second, set up your pipe including hose but without a bowl, cover the opening on top where the bowl normally sits with your hand and then take a drag with your hose, you shouldn't be able to draw anything or next to nothing. If you can draw, there's a leak and you should check the grommets/connections. -Third, pack your bowl the way you always do and try blowing air out through the bottom of it. If it's difficult, poke some holes all the way down or try poking a few holes from the bottom openings up. I use a simple toothpick, you can even cut that pick a little thinner if you're worried about the holes being too big. If it's still difficult to draw, use less tobacco, pack less tight. -If all of this doesn't help come here again and ask advice from people who actually know what they're talking about as opposed to myself Oh fail, didn't notice it's a havana bowl, funnel style right? Well i guess most of the advice still applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nars2k Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 First and moremost check your waterlevel. Without the head on the hookah smoke and see if it's still hard. If it is: check water level make sure your hose is put in tightly check the hose itself If it's good without the head then; use a toothpick to make your holes. Make one larger hole in the middle and push the toothpick down. Make sure you pack well.(plenty of tutorials) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 all very good advice so far, just to add to it, make sure nothing is clogging your pipe, we had a member with a new km have the same problem and he had one of those packing styrofoam things jammed in the stem..also are you poping holes over the opening of the phunnel? i would make sure i pop a few holes for more easier draw..also not sure how much ice your putting in your vase but if your using alot and small sized ones when you take hits they may be clogging up your stem making the draw harder.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 get a tangiers phunnel rather than a havanna. thats your first problem . I am assuming the havana bowl you are using is a phunnel (not to familiar with those), but you could try sanding down the middle phunnel part, there is a chance the foil is getting sucked down over the middle phunnel hole thing. make sure the foil is tight. i use an oyster fork to poke holes and poke them generously. if using a phunnel, i have had little luck poking holes in the center, i just poke all around the outside, stopping once i get close to the middle phunnel. also, if your hose has a small ID then that is probably your problem. id add more water to that, i personally like 1" to 1.5", but then again thats just personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Great Advice all of it so far. But Think I would lean more to the Needle Holes. Anything smaller than a toothpick has always given me hell when smoking no matter the pipe or packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 very good advice thanks ima setup right now try some pre-trouble shooting, check leaks air test on the havanna phunnel (i know tangiers ftw thats coming for x-mas). i Cleaned my km with the stem brush nothing popped out at all so i believe its not clogged. Then now ill try bigger holes, maybe little looser packing (not much) and bigger cubes of ice...i think it may be plugging the downstem. Thanks guys ill let u know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 [quote name='king_lunchb0x' date='10 December 2009 - 05:29 PM' timestamp='1260484171' post='437715'] very good advice thanks ima setup right now try some pre-trouble shooting, check leaks air test on the havanna phunnel (i know tangiers ftw thats coming for x-mas). i Cleaned my km with the stem brush nothing popped out at all so i believe its not clogged. Then now ill try bigger holes, maybe little looser packing (not much) and bigger cubes of ice...i think it may be plugging the downstem. Thanks guys ill let u know! [/quote] what shisha brand are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 All great advice. I can't think of anything else to add. That's how great this forum's getting... haha. Any update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 well i am just horrible at this i guess tried more mizo watermelon and still aint hitting that good. Did not have any toothpicks lef though..but i tried to make bigger holes anyway. Then i tried my tang brambleberry..still no luck but i have never packed or smoked it b4. I used erics guide but my seafood fork just kept ripping the foil. things i have eliminated 1. no leak in hose 2. nothing blocking flow in stem 3. ice is not in the way possible problems 1. shitty bowl (havana med..not a great buy:facepalm:) 2. bigger holes (going to buy toothpicks later) 3. better packing 4. coals.?.?. i tried 4 ch coals and placed around the rim. Then tried my extra 3k ql's on the tang, that didnt go well Am I not placing the coals in the right spot? I also may not be heating the all the way. I take em off the stove when bright red. But when i pop them on the bowl after 5 minutes the coal is black on the side its just frustrating cause i went through about 200g of shisha with out a succesful session. But thanks alot guys for the help so far... ima try again later tonight...with step by step pics so u can see what my failure is.....p.s. if u are reading this line thanks for reading everything:good2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 damn 4 full ch coals is over kill, especially for tangiers..try less coals..much less..for tangiers use 3 halves in triangle pattern..for nakhla try 3 full coals..also you may not be packing it enough..dont be afraid to pack it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 That sounds like way too many coals man... Tangiers is very heat sensitive. Try starting with less coal, then adding. Also, I'm sure the Tangiers phunnel would be an improvement over the Havana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='10 December 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1260490937' post='437749'] That sounds like way too many coals man... Tangiers is very heat sensitive. Try starting with less coal, then adding. Also, I'm sure the Tangiers phunnel would be an improvement over the Havana. [/quote] agreed.. i asked my old lady for bit more shisha and a small tang phunnel..which is a must...for this Christmas. ill be back later to update with step by step pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nars2k Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Well the coals are a bit exessive but thats not the issue. His issue is its not hitting, with that many coals it should be smoking majorly but burning. Try smoking without ice in the base. If you have an Egyptian head then try that. Even better if you get a phunnel. How are you packing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='nars2k' date='10 December 2009 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1260492978' post='437755'] Well the coals are a bit exessive but thats not the issue. His issue is its not hitting, with that many coals it should be smoking majorly but burning. Try smoking without ice in the base. If you have an Egyptian head then try that. Even better if you get a phunnel. How are you packing it? [/quote] ya it wont help but once he gets it smoking easy it will be a problem, so may as well fix that problem now, but i do think hes not packing it enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 i really think you should work on your packing....4 coals on a small phunnel is definitely possible... click, rhineholt, and helix...maybe a few others as well, can attest to the fact that 4 AF coco's will work on a small phunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Make sure you watch John and Eric's packing vid on youtube AS you're packing your bowl so that way you make sure you don't miss a critical step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='Arcane' date='10 December 2009 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1260494734' post='437763'] i really think you should work on your packing....4 coals on a small phunnel is definitely possible... click, rhineholt, and helix...maybe a few others as well, can attest to the fact that 4 AF coco's will work on a small phunnel [/quote] af maybe, but i think ch coals burn hotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD' date='10 December 2009 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1260494950' post='437766'] [quote name='Arcane' date='10 December 2009 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1260494734' post='437763'] i really think you should work on your packing....4 coals on a small phunnel is definitely possible... click, rhineholt, and helix...maybe a few others as well, can attest to the fact that 4 AF coco's will work on a small phunnel [/quote] af maybe, but i think ch coals burn hotter [/quote] i'll use 4 CH QL's when i smoke tonight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='Arcane' date='10 December 2009 - 08:36 PM' timestamp='1260495403' post='437772'] [quote name='NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD' date='10 December 2009 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1260494950' post='437766'] [quote name='Arcane' date='10 December 2009 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1260494734' post='437763'] i really think you should work on your packing....4 coals on a small phunnel is definitely possible... click, rhineholt, and helix...maybe a few others as well, can attest to the fact that 4 AF coco's will work on a small phunnel [/quote] af maybe, but i think ch coals burn hotter [/quote] i'll use 4 CH QL's when i smoke tonight.... [/quote] ya but you also smoke 7 packs of cigs a day..lol you got a throat made of steel..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 [quote name='king_lunchb0x' date='10 December 2009 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1260492506' post='437753'] [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='10 December 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1260490937' post='437749'] That sounds like way too many coals man... Tangiers is very heat sensitive. Try starting with less coal, then adding. Also, I'm sure the Tangiers phunnel would be an improvement over the Havana. [/quote] agreed.. i asked my old lady for bit more shisha and a small tang phunnel..which is a must...for this Christmas. ill be back later to update with step by step pics [/quote] Where are you in California? I would be glad to meet up and see whats going on if you are interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 alright so here we go i hope you can see pics step by step of how it looks packed packed the bowl with mizo peach, using shrimp fork packed it down [img]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh86/kingLunchb0x/1Picture004.jpg[/img] then patted down with the foil [img]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh86/kingLunchb0x/1Picture006.jpg[/img] then holes punched with toothpick this time [img]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh86/kingLunchb0x/1Picture008.jpg[/img] base filled with lots of water and ice [img]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh86/kingLunchb0x/1Picture010.jpg[/img] coals placed [img]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh86/kingLunchb0x/1Picture016.jpg[/img] still minimal hitting. Taste disapeared fast and started to burn(like alot of you said) i even tried my 3kql [img]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh86/kingLunchb0x/Picture019.jpg[/img] am i packing it way to tight or not enough? i can hear the sizzle when i put the coals on?Look at the pic of the CH coals, do they look rdy? I put about 4 minutes each side on the burner. ( ingore my snacks on the table i kindaz got hungry while prepping it. SO have at rip new a new one,what am i doing wrong? under packing? Coal management? Too much water or ice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTS OF BAGHDAD Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 by lookin at those pics i want to say you dont have enough shisha in the bowl..the palm impression it too deep..secondly looks like you got too much water in there..generally i like to keep the stem submerged in about half an inch of water to 3/4 of a inch, also try punching holes in the middle for more air flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) alright so next time alot more shisha and less water/ice how can i tell when i hit the right amount in the bowl, i didnt think i was underpacking becuase thats about how much i used when i had my crap chinese hookah, which smoked pretty good Edited December 11, 2009 by king_lunchb0x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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