Nakhla Double Apple

[haraldsmith]

Hi, i'm on a quest to get nice thick smoke of Nakhla double apple.  I'm using a 35" high hookah thats made of brass, and has a large base.  I fill the liquid about an inch above the stem.  I sprinkle the tobacco, which is at room temperature, without packing it, about 1/4 below the clay bowl.  Then I use a foil using the following hole scheme from hookah culture: [url="http://www.hookahculture.com/hookah_setup_smoking.htm"]http://www.hookahculture.com/hookah_setup_smoking.htm[/url] . I'm using mountain natural charcoal, I light up two, get them red hot, and I have one on each side of the bowl.   The smoke is good, no harshness, little bit of flavour, but it's not as thick as I would like it to be.  Aside from trying a new type of tobacco, is there anything else that I can try?  Thanks..

[njnets54]

apparntley milk makes teh smoke thicker i hear its a really bad idea though.. maybe try getting the tobbaco hotter? not really sure

[yashman19]

Yeah pretty much what njnets54. You seem to be doing everything correctly, so try just adding more heat. If it starts to get too harsh, take a tad bit of the heat off until its at the optimal heat level (as much heat as possible without breaking the harshness barrier).If that still doesn't help any, try experimenting with the way you pack the bowl, and the way you poke holes.I think you are doing good by sprinkling the tobacco in, but in addition to that I would pat it down gently. Not enough to give it a much tighter draw, but so you can pack in some more tobacco.As for the holes, using a pushpin, try putting around 50-70 evenly spaced holes all over the bowl. If you don't put enough holes, you're not going to get great airflow.So to summerize, try messing around with your packing and hole techniques. You might be able to sqeeze some more smoke out of it, and if not, it might just be the tobacco.Good luck, and let us know how it goes.

[MR Bubble]

Since these guys have already summed it up nicely, I won't try to add to this. However, just so you'll know, Nakhla Double Apple is one of the great "classics" out there. It has always pretty much been the standard by which other XX Apples are judged. So, don't worry about need ing another brand to get a good smoke.
One thing that will make a difference if not already addresssed is making sure you have a completely air-tight system. The more little air leaks you have in all your connections (hose- to- shaft, shaft-to-base, bowl-to-shaft, you get the flick) or just a leaky hose or blow-valve, the more fresh air introduced into the system, and that equals thinner, less flavorful smoke.
MR Bubble

[mushrat]

Could be your expectations....how much smoke are you really getting now?
Nakhla 2 apple only having a "little bit of flavour"????

[Lukasa]

Pack the bowl tighter and have the tobacco just a half centimeter away
from the foil.  so pack the bowl full and even.  This is your
problem.  I gurantee it.

[smokinshisha4life]

[quote name='MR Bubble']Since these guys have already summed it up nicely, I won't try to add to this. However, just so you'll know, Nakhla Double Apple is one of the great "classics" out there. It has always pretty much been the standard by which other XX Apples are judged. So, don't worry about need ing another brand to get a good smoke.  
One thing that will make a difference if not already addresssed is making sure you have a completely air-tight system. The more little air leaks you have in all your connections (hose- to- shaft, shaft-to-base, bowl-to-shaft, you get the flick) or just a leaky hose or blow-valve, the more fresh air introduced into the system, and that equals thinner, less flavorful smoke.
MR BubbleI personally wanna hurl every time i smell or taste nahklah double apple, the anise is just horrible in my opinion. Some people love it, I hate it with a passion but changing shisha wont make more smoke. To each there own[/quote]

[MR Bubble]

[quote name='smokinshisha4life'][quote name='MR Bubble']
Since these guys have already summed it up nicely, I won't try to add to this. However, just so you'll know, Nakhla Double Apple is one of the great "classics" out there. It has always pretty much been the standard by which other XX Apples are judged. So, don't worry about need ing another brand to get a good smoke.  
One thing that will make a difference if not already addresssed is making sure you have a completely air-tight system. The more little air leaks you have in all your connections (hose- to- shaft, shaft-to-base, bowl-to-shaft, you get the flick) or just a leaky hose or blow-valve, the more fresh air introduced into the system, and that equals thinner, less flavorful smoke.
MR Bubble

I personally wanna hurl every time i smell or taste nahklah double apple, the anise is just horrible in my opinion. Some people love it, I hate it with a passion but changing shisha wont make more smoke. To each there own[/quote] [/quote]
Well, uh...okay. Good to hear your take on it. THe guy was asking for suggestions, but it's still okay, I guess. Unfortunately, the strong anise is what makes a double apple a doubble apple, and I only assume that is what he is seeking. Some out there don't have the anise flavor, but a more pronounced "multi-apple" taste and they are usually classified as a "tripple apple" or some Esk apple. But the classic "double apple's" signature IS the anise flavoring added.
MR Bubble

[EliteHookah.com]

I agree in part.  It seems that the apple flavor is quickly
evolving and the anise days are declining.  Most young smokers
don't seem to have an appreciation for it.

In regards to the question at hand.  If you really want thick
smoke, pack the bowl loosely and don't use foil.  Be prepared to
burn your tobacco fairly quickly, but for some reason it doesn't seem
to produce the harsh taste.  Maybe this is because all of the heat
is concentrated to produce the smoke, and the whole bowl won't dry out
quickly like with the foil oven.  I don't know.

Move the coal around a lot and don't be afraid to add more tobacco to
the sides while you smoke.  It's wasteful and hard to clean, but
you should get thicker smoke.

[Lukasa]

[quote name='EliteHookah.com']I agree in part.  It seems that the apple flavor is quickly
evolving and the anise days are declining.  Most young smokers
don't seem to have an appreciation for it.

In regards to the question at hand.  If you really want thick
smoke, pack the bowl loosely and don't use foil.  Be prepared to
burn your tobacco fairly quickly, but for some reason it doesn't seem
to produce the harsh taste.  Maybe this is because all of the heat
is concentrated to produce the smoke, and the whole bowl won't dry out
quickly like with the foil oven.  I don't know.

Move the coal around a lot and don't be afraid to add more tobacco to
the sides while you smoke.  It's wasteful and hard to clean, but
you should get thicker smoke.[/quote]

I have never heard of anybody smoking any shisha except Zaghoul and
Tombac style tobacco with that method.  Maybe its worth a
try...  I certainly wont be the first

[smokinshisha4life]

Whenever I first started out smoking shisha, I wanted to just put the coal on the tobacco because I didnt wanna use foil because I had heard its bad to smoke thru foil. The only thing is it smokes a lot at the bowl, and burns it pretty quickly.

[Sonthert]

Shorter hookahs smoke thicker, only because the necks of the jars are thinner.

[EliteHookah.com]

I don't know if that is accurate.  I've studied it fairly
thoroughly and have not been able to find any correlation between the
height of the hookah and the quality of the smoke.

[Sonthert]

Yeah, but necks of the jars do make a difference in my experience and taller hookahs have thicker necked jars.