SimplexCoda Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 7 days? Hmm lets see here....Its been almost 5 months since i have smoked last. Too busy, then sick. You can do it eric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remy Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Good luck eric! I haven't smoked for 3 days since I'm in Colorado with the family.. What is this 'snuff' you keep speaking of? Help me to remove some ignorance on this subject please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 An interesting experiment Eric we need to have another late night scotch session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 Tobacco snuff is the snuff in question. Think about putting a ground up cigar or pipe tobacco in your nose. Some of its flavored or has aroma like hookah tobacco. Snuff seems to be going through the same transition that hit hookah tobacco five years ago. Status Report: +21 Hours. I am talking really fast, but I feel the world is moving very slowly. Its kinda trippy. I thought about smoking a hookah once or three times. Being around people that were smoking didn't bother me, though. My body has a dull pain in it. It might be from not having enough caffeine, too. I ate a pink grapefruit. That was pretty good. I feel abnormal, but I think people either like it or don't notice I'm acting strange. I need more caffeine. Thats a fact. I have a meeting early tomorrow. Can't have too much caffeine in this state. I would be awake for hours, Phong says I'm acting normal. I'm beginning to not trust him. Perhaps he's in on it. Maybe this is some elaborate plot to kill me or get me to reveal the secret forumla for Bug Powder. No, this is just the tobacco talking. I'm normal, or people think I'm normal, but I don't feel normal. Maybe I'm more normal now than I would be normally. Maybe thats why this line of reasoning is so confusing. Mom says I'm acting normal, but then she was asking if I was acting normal to Phong and he said yes. Again. That is peculiar at best. There might be some conspiracy and Phong is in on it. My Mom thought I was acting normal. She said I was acting strange, why would she lie? I can't really tell. If I ask again, will he become suspicious that I'm suspicious of him? Possibly. Its something I can't take a risk on. Best to let him think I'm not suspecting that he changed sides and then I can strike when his back is turned. I am yawning a lot. Real shallow yawns. Poison? Perhaps. Better inspect the grapefruit carefully tomorrow afternoon. Its the only thing it could be. Unless I've been infected by CIA mind probes. Best not to think about that. Oh yeah, my bad, people who have been compromised by the probes don't believe in them. The probes, not the CIA, obviously. The world seems very shallow and brittle right now. Crackly, over-processed. Dry. I hope I get into a funk soon. Thats all for now. Talk to you loyal friends soon. There are some actual observations thrown into my strange, hopefully amusing rambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 It seems as though you are becoming delusional just the way you are talking is making me think you are probably acting strange. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookie The Hookah Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I've done this before, usually takes about two or three days before I'm no longer a raging dick, then things are just normal again. I'm actually taking a bit of a break now too as smoking tangiers with well water in a cabin in the middle-of-nowhere PA was not working nearly as well as I'd hoped it would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Shock Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 the 1st day is always easy, the second is when the bad feelings come by. oh and eric congrats on figuring the plot i put togehter with phong and your mom. your as sharp as a tac, BUT WE WILL GEY THE BUG POWDER FORUMLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryno Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Sounds like you might be rambling a bit more than normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share Posted December 22, 2009 Crap! I was right! They're after me Lucky Charms. I did have to stop myself from eating my wireless phone earlier. Apparently I thought it was the tasty part of a computer. I was actually ready to give up the 7 Day fast thing because I really got nothing here. I was expecting some sort of withdrawal, something, even very subtle, but I really got nothing. Then Jacob Shock had to mention the second day was the tough part. Now I have to see for myself. Progress Report: +34 Hours More caffeine and some food got everything going fine. I had to get up early, so I went to sleep early and then woke up really early. Sleep seemed really shallow and non-restful. I had the worst Thai food ever. Usually that would upset me. I got nothing here. I'm waiting for the withdrawal. Bought those AC/DC CDs I was thinking about. I'm trying to remember...oh yeah, I had Mexican food for dinner. Unusual bowel movements. Not bizarre like "OMG! Call a priest!". Ate some leftover pasta Alfredo when I threw away most of my Thai food. I'm tired again. Might go back to sleep for a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 best of luck...sounds like its making you into a paranoid schizo like me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teissenb Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 If you don't go the whole seven days, some annoying scientist is going to say that your excuse of "I really got nothing here" was just a rationalization for your inability to abstain. You do realize "failure to abstain when attempting to do so" is an official diagnostic sign of dependence, right? Keep it up. Nicotine/tobacco withdrawal isn't always knock-you-over-with-a-hammer aversive. What it all to often is is a pervasive force that keeps you using tobacco. If you hope to have any chance at claiming you are not dependent, you'll need to at least meet your stated goal of seven days. [quote name='Sonthert' date='22 December 2009 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1261518616' post='441024'] Crap! I was right! They're after me Lucky Charms. I did have to stop myself from eating my wireless phone earlier. Apparently I thought it was the tasty part of a computer. I was actually ready to give up the 7 Day fast thing because I really got nothing here. I was expecting some sort of withdrawal, something, even very subtle, but I really got nothing. Then Jacob Shock had to mention the second day was the tough part. Now I have to see for myself. Progress Report: +34 Hours More caffeine and some food got everything going fine. I had to get up early, so I went to sleep early and then woke up really early. Sleep seemed really shallow and non-restful. I had the worst Thai food ever. Usually that would upset me. I got nothing here. I'm waiting for the withdrawal. Bought those AC/DC CDs I was thinking about. I'm trying to remember...oh yeah, I had Mexican food for dinner. Unusual bowel movements. Not bizarre like "OMG! Call a priest!". Ate some leftover pasta Alfredo when I threw away most of my Thai food. I'm tired again. Might go back to sleep for a few. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog_916 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='Teissenb' date='22 December 2009 - 02:59 PM' timestamp='1261522759' post='441040'] If you don't go the whole seven days, some annoying scientist is going to say that your excuse of "I really got nothing here" was just a rationalization for your inability to abstain. You do realize "failure to abstain when attempting to do so" is an official diagnostic sign of dependence, right? Keep it up. Nicotine/tobacco withdrawal isn't always knock-you-over-with-a-hammer aversive. What it all to often is is a pervasive force that keeps you using tobacco. If you hope to have any chance at claiming you are not dependent, you'll need to at least meet your stated goal of seven days. [quote name='Sonthert' date='22 December 2009 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1261518616' post='441024'] Crap! I was right! They're after me Lucky Charms. I did have to stop myself from eating my wireless phone earlier. Apparently I thought it was the tasty part of a computer. I was actually ready to give up the 7 Day fast thing because I really got nothing here. I was expecting some sort of withdrawal, something, even very subtle, but I really got nothing. Then Jacob Shock had to mention the second day was the tough part. Now I have to see for myself. Progress Report: +34 Hours More caffeine and some food got everything going fine. I had to get up early, so I went to sleep early and then woke up really early. Sleep seemed really shallow and non-restful. I had the worst Thai food ever. Usually that would upset me. I got nothing here. I'm waiting for the withdrawal. Bought those AC/DC CDs I was thinking about. I'm trying to remember...oh yeah, I had Mexican food for dinner. Unusual bowel movements. Not bizarre like "OMG! Call a priest!". Ate some leftover pasta Alfredo when I threw away most of my Thai food. I'm tired again. Might go back to sleep for a few. [/quote] [/quote] Yea but you said it yourself, in essence, the only way to really know if you're not dependent is by abstaining for life. So isnt this just a pointless exercise if the results are going to be dismissed by you due to other anecdotal incidences whereby even cigarette smokers were able to abstain for 5 days because they knew their next cigarette was coming on day 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Now you tell me. I'm smoking a hookah right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rani Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='Sonthert' date='22 December 2009 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1261532514' post='441104'] Now you tell me. I'm smoking a hookah right now. [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img] [/quote] I was staying out of this..... But now......I gotta say I hated the whole idea. Though I absolutely support anyone's decision to try anything for their own edification. Marketing and latest "scientists" will tell you this or that and give all this supporting documentation of how they're right. Yet data is always subjective when it comes to the human experience. You make your choices and you do what you do to make your life into what you choose it to be. Lots of things we do are habitual or even addictive, yet if they're part of what we want our life to be, then we do them. The health nut is addicted to exercise and tofu. Then crosses the street one day and gets run over. Still dead - but they determined the life they wanted with their actions that some others might consider addictive. Life is terminal, nobody gets out alive and nobody has a date stamp on the bottom of their foot. I don't see 50 years of unfulfilled wishing you'd smoked as more valuable than 30 years of not smoking because the statistics say it's addictive. I know I'm rambling (minor writers block) but what some consider addiction, I would consider lifestyle choice. Every single moment of our lives we make a choice as to whether an action contributes to the life we see in our minds. Sometimes we say yes to some very bad things because we don't see anything but that very bad life. Looking in someone else labels it addiction. I insist it's a choice. Every single time, every single day, every single moment. Calling it "addiction" is just a catch phrase for a series of choices with identical outcome. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename067 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Lay off the caffeine, stick to the nicotine. [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/good2.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='BohoWildChild' date='22 December 2009 - 06:21 PM' timestamp='1261534913' post='441112'] [quote name='Sonthert' date='22 December 2009 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1261532514' post='441104'] Now you tell me. I'm smoking a hookah right now. [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img] [/quote] I was staying out of this..... But now......I gotta say I hated the whole idea. Though I absolutely support anyone's decision to try anything for their own edification. Marketing and latest "scientists" will tell you this or that and give all this supporting documentation of how they're right. Yet data is always subjective when it comes to the human experience. You make your choices and you do what you do to make your life into what you choose it to be. Lots of things we do are habitual or even addictive, yet if they're part of what we want our life to be, then we do them. The health nut is addicted to exercise and tofu. Then crosses the street one day and gets run over. Still dead - but they determined the life they wanted with their actions that some others might consider addictive. Life is terminal, nobody gets out alive and nobody has a date stamp on the bottom of their foot. [b] I don't see 50 years of unfulfilled wishing you'd smoked as more valuable than 30 years of happily smoking because the statistics say it's addictive and dangerous. Give me the 30 happy years over the 50 unhappy ones every time.[/b] I know I'm rambling (minor writers block) but what some consider addiction, I would consider lifestyle choice. Every single moment of our lives we make a choice as to whether an action contributes to the life we see in our minds. Sometimes we say yes to some very bad things because we don't see anything but that very bad life. Looking in someone else labels it addiction. I insist it's a choice. Every single time, every single day, every single moment. Calling it "addiction" is just a catch phrase for a series of choices with identical outcome. 'Rani [/quote] Had to rework it. Wasn't explaining it clearly enough. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Its not that clear cut, though. My thoughts ran this way: I can feel the dependence hook of different substances, like prescription medications, caffeine, and nicotine. I can feel the "urge" to snuff, since it contains nicotine, which is the same addictive thing as hookah in theory. I can easily avoid that urge. I don't feel the same urge from or for hookahs, so I am presuming that something about the two is different. I don't feel the same urge from hookah and from snuff. I, and the people around me, noted no general changes in my personality or mood. I didn't feel any addictive urge for the hookah, so I am concluding it wasn't from addition. I am definitely addicted to caffeine. No doubt about it. Don't really care, but its there all right. I feel snuff compelling me to do more, but hookah doesn't have the same effects for me. I felt like smoking a hookah. I did. Simple. I might be deluding myself here, but I don't think it was from addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='Sonthert' date='22 December 2009 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1261538069' post='441134'] Its not that clear cut, though. My thoughts ran this way: I can feel the dependence hook of different substances, like prescription medications, caffeine, and nicotine. I can feel the "urge" to snuff, since it contains nicotine, which is the same addictive thing as hookah in theory. I can easily avoid that urge. I don't feel the same urge from or for hookahs, so I am presuming that something about the two is different. I don't feel the same urge from hookah and from snuff. I, and the people around me, noted no general changes in my personality or mood. I didn't feel any addictive urge for the hookah, so I am concluding it wasn't from addition. I am definitely addicted to caffeine. No doubt about it. Don't really care, but its there all right. I feel snuff compelling me to do more, but hookah doesn't have the same effects for me. I felt like smoking a hookah. I did. Simple. I might be deluding myself here, but I don't think it was from addiction. [/quote] Maybe the fact that it's not clear cut is part of the reason I was having so much trouble putting it down better. I've got friends who have survived some of the really bad addictive stuff. In most cases they woke up one day and made a different choice. Even the physical response was a lot milder than they'd been lead to believe it would be. There's a school of thought that true addiction is really purely a brain response. I don't know if I buy that because there are physical and mental symptoms when you withdraw the substance. I'm caffeine sensitive. A few days on coffee and I'll experience a severe and constant headache if stop drinking it. Having survived that a few times, now I just avoid a consistent (or daily) intake of caffeine. By the dictionary you could say addiction occurred but the fact that each time I made a choice and stuck with it despite pain would put it back in the choice category. The whole thing is a very grey area I think...... I think perhaps it boils down to whether or not anything controls your life beyond your ability to function without it. And whether or not we choose to allow that control. Not because an outside source points and says "I think you're addicted." 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Yeah, chew toothpicks and keep busy. Its a good formula. The longer the habit and the more you consume, the harder it is to kick, so the experts tell us. Lighter habits over shirter periods of time have shallower withdrawal periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Alright! This means I can smoke Tangiers again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonix Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='foibled again' date='22 December 2009 - 09:20 PM' timestamp='1261542033' post='441158'] Alright! This means I can smoke Tangiers again! [/quote] ThismeansIcansmokeagainperiod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 what was the total hours before you got this wonderful discovery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Yep, didn't see it happening, lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Shock Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='Sonthert' date='22 December 2009 - 08:14 PM' timestamp='1261538069' post='441134'] Its not that clear cut, though. My thoughts ran this way: I can feel the dependence hook of different substances, like prescription medications, caffeine, and nicotine. I can feel the "urge" to snuff, since it contains nicotine, which is the same addictive thing as hookah in theory. I can easily avoid that urge. I don't feel the same urge from or for hookahs, so I am presuming that something about the two is different. I don't feel the same urge from hookah and from snuff. I, and the people around me, noted no general changes in my personality or mood. I didn't feel any addictive urge for the hookah, so I am concluding it wasn't from addition. I am definitely addicted to caffeine. No doubt about it. Don't really care, but its there all right. I feel snuff compelling me to do more, but hookah doesn't have the same effects for me. I felt like smoking a hookah. I did. Simple. I might be deluding myself here, but I don't think it was from addiction. [/quote] In another thread i made a comment on how i get nic fits from hookah, but there differnt from the ones i got from cigaretes. the nic fits i got from hookah were alot more psycalogical and a good bit less pysical comparedl to cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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