Bulldog_916 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 With this new information streaming in from Mr. Eissenberg regarding the toxicity of hookah and the studies by the persons of note: How many here are going to quit, are thinking about quitting, are agnostic on quitting, are against quitting, or are strongly against quitting? I'll admit, the thought of quitting crossed my mind today. Will I do it? Probably not yet. Maybe at some point in the future? It's certainly possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckah Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='Bulldog_916' date='23 December 2009 - 10:28 AM' timestamp='1261585718' post='441274'] With this new information streaming in from Mr. Eissenberg regarding the toxicity of hookah and the studies by the persons of note: How many here are going to quit, are thinking about quitting, are agnostic on quitting, are against quitting, or are strongly against quitting? I'll admit, the thought of quitting crossed my mind today. Will I do it? Probably not yet. Maybe at some point in the future? It's certainly possible. [/quote] Citation? Is there another thread I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 i agree, wtf are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyk Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 yeah what is this new info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbles Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 He is reffering to [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35590-interesting-read-if-youre-bored/"]THIS THREAD[/url] And to answer you Bulldog, i shall not be quitting. Moderation is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleTheJustin Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 No. It's smoke. It's bad for you. I think we all knew that taking our first hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 not going to quit, I think I am more than reasonable with how much I smoke, I make sure I don't get out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ninja Robot Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I don't understand. The linked thread didn't really give any major new news did it? It'd be cool if someone could clear up what exactly we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foibled again Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='Webbles' date='23 December 2009 - 09:23 AM' timestamp='1261589013' post='441281'] He is reffering to [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35590-interesting-read-if-youre-bored/"]THIS THREAD[/url] And to answer you Bulldog, i shall not be quitting. Moderation is key. [/quote] [quote name='giant ninja robot' date='23 December 2009 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1261590250' post='441289'] I don't understand. The linked thread didn't really give any major new news did it? It'd be cool if someone could clear up what exactly we are talking about. [/quote] No, he is referring to this thread http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/35476-something-falsely-reported-false-information/ While the study is current and any effort to produce evidence based on more realistic conditions are certainly welcomed, it's conclusions are not really new unless you are one of those hookah smokers who actually believes this stuff is healthy for you. Studies, whether current or old, have shown that hookah smoke contains measurable levels of compounds known to be toxic, carcinogenic, and/or hazardous. There will always be smokers who will dispute the numbers from each study in some way or fashion, especially in a community like this forum, but the fact is that they are present and are introduced into the body when inhaled. How much that corresponds to actual risk rates for lung cancer, other lung or heart diseases, or even death, is not known and will not be for quite some time because there is simply not enough research conducted over long enough periods of time to determine them. Hookah/shisha/nargile smoking as is popular in the US (I can't speak for other countries really) is not as old as people seem to believe it is. The inability to produce those statistics does not in any way depreciate the inherent risks associated with smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Not going to quit. I knew it was bad when I started... just like I knew fast food was bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplexCoda Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Well first of all, that information comes from a .com. By and large .com's are not that credible. There are .com sources that are though. Dont get me wrong. But, you have to consider the fact that .coms are generally some form of either business or sponsored website. If they arent trying to sell you something they are probably making money from some sort of sponser. Again, this is not law, just a pretty general thought. Secondly, it is a foreign chemical entering your body. Its probably not healthy for you. Its not news. But These will keep coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 me quit? hahahahahahahahahaha...whew... uhh....hahahahhaahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 ive been smoking almost daily for over 2 years... im not going to quit but I may take 7 days off (a full 7 days and not like an Eric 7 days)[img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/post-5619-1201289386.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZ22 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Everything is dangerous if you do not practice moderation. Hell, you can even die from "water intoxication" if you drink too much water. I don't need studies to tell me smoking is bad...I'm pretty well aware that smoking is bad and I chose to do it. I have assumed the risk. I believe that an overwhelming majority factor in getting heart disease or cancer from smoking or another source is genetics. Someone could smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and not have any health problems, and then someone can smoke a pack a month and get health problems. You also have a 1 in 100 chance of death from a motor vehicle accident....how many times do you get in your car each day? (poor comparison to smoking sorry haha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 That's a good point LZ. I have known at least a dozen people killed in car and motorcycle crashes. Smoking related illnesses, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Shock Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 ill quit smoking it when it kills me. i knew it was bad before i even started it. i still know its bad. and i still dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleTheJustin Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 [quote name='Jacob Shock' date='23 December 2009 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1261607158' post='441340'] ill quit smoking it when it kills me. i knew it was bad before i even started it. i still know its bad. and i still dont care. [/quote] I like this guy's view on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Well, none of the information Mr. Eissenberg presented was anything new... It's all the same stuff we already knew, just repeated... We all knew going into this that hookah was bad for you. Of course it's bad for you- it's smoke. But you know what else is bad for you? Just about everything around you in your daily lives- food (especially fast food), the air we breathe (so much pollution), and so much more... As stated above, moderation is key to everything. You eat fast food all the time, you get obese (Supersize Me proves this, and we all know it anyway). You smoke tobacco you're more likely to have health problems, as with everything else. I believe that me smoking my hookah one to three times a week (usually just once a week with how busy I am) is moderate enough to not hinder my health whatsoever. That is my BELIEF. I go about my days feeling just as healthy as before I started smoking hookah. I have no effects, as I had when I tried cigarettes (sore throat, coughing, achy afterwards). So the only way I'm going to quit is a) if I let it get out of hand to the point where I HAVE to smoke everyday, which I don't see happening, or I start noticing it affecting my health. That, Mr. Eissenberg, is my response to all your information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj_skillz Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Theres a million risks of just living a human life..from the step you take out of your door! Gettin hit by a car for instance. I think how much I smoke isnt as bad..even though I knew it was bad from my first hit.. As for quitting, maybe in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonix Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I won't be quitting either, moderation ftw [quote name='Canon' date='23 December 2009 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1261598759' post='441318'] ive been smoking almost daily for over 2 years... im not going to quit but I may take 7 days off (a full 7 days and not like an Eric 7 days)[img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/post-5619-1201289386.gif[/img] [/quote] Ahahaha! 7 days = 48 hours now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunkies! Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I wont quit smoking, im pretty sure nobody here thinks smoking in anyway is good for your body. We all know the risks involved. I probally will cut down a little from the three bowls a day though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Nothing from that article is original research. Just drawing their own "conclusions" from other people's research... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Civilization is hazardous to your health. Almost every single thing we manufacture is dangerous in some way. Health wise we were better off when we were running half naked through the woods, spear in hand, killing our own meat and raiding berry bushes in springtime. But since we do live in a civilized world, personally I'm going to do what it pleases me to do and enjoy my life to the fullest. Some comedian said he wanted to be sick when he died, not have some doctor standing over him saying "He was in perfect health when he died." Makes sense to me. I've said this before...... I'm not looking to end my life quietly of old age having experienced nothing for fear of it's damage. I plan on hitting the coffin on a hip slide with a martini in one hand, my hookah hose in the other, yelling "Woo-hoo! What a ride." What's more statistics be damned. Anybody else ever notice that the people who enjoy the hell out of their life and try all the bad things at least once tend to hang around for a very long time? It's attitude. The fear and anxiety of this or that damaging you will shorten your life a lot faster than the substance itself. Live, love and laugh a lot, try what you will, and enjoy it all along the way. Every wonder what motivates people to do all these studies about this or that and how it's bad for you? Personally I think they mostly resent the fun other people are having seemingly getting away with doing the bad things they're too afraid to do themselves. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teissenb Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 [quote name='Tom16689' date='23 December 2009 - 04:18 PM' timestamp='1261610294' post='441358'] Nothing from that article is original research. Just drawing their own "conclusions" from other people's research... [/quote] Incorrect: the Eissenberg and Shihadeh (2009) article is original and novel. Read it and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 [quote name='Teissenb' date='24 December 2009 - 05:25 AM' timestamp='1261650357' post='441455'] [quote name='Tom16689' date='23 December 2009 - 04:18 PM' timestamp='1261610294' post='441358'] Nothing from that article is original research. Just drawing their own "conclusions" from other people's research... [/quote] Incorrect: the Eissenberg and Shihadeh (2009) article is original and novel. Read it and see. [/quote] I couldn't find the entire original paper, only other articles discussing it. Could you link it? I wasn't impressed with the other papers that Eissenberg took part in, their results were backed by nothing other than the authors saying that the results they got were correct, no kind of methods were given. The OP's article seems shady to me at best... "[font=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This document is mainly based on a background paper drafted by Dr Thomas Eissenberg (USA) and Dr Shihadeh (Lebanon), actually commissioned for this purpose by Dr Yumiko Mochizuki, Director of the WHO [i]Tobacco Free Initiative"[/i][/font] [font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i] [/i][/font] [font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i]That sounds like some bullshit to me.[/i][/font] [font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i] [/i][/font] [font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i]"Prevention is the most important and pressing issue and no suggested action (page 7) is given in this report whereas a public health catastrophe is looming and so many ideas could immediately be put forward to avoid it and reduce the harm caused by this new widespread form of smoking "[/i][/font] [font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i] [/i][/font] [font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Propaganda. They're just trying to stop the fire.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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