So...With The New Information

[Teissenb]

It sounds to me as though you have been reading popular media reports in which I have been quoted, and not the scientific publications to which I refer. I am going to send you Eissenberg & Shihadeh, 2009 via PM. I cannot link to it due to copyright issues. If, after reading that paper, you still feel that "no kind of methods were given", the please ask about the methodological detail you feel is lacking. In addition, if you'd like any other of my scientific papers, feel free to ask. But please, please, do not confuse popular media reports for science.

Dr. Thomas Eissenberg

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[quote name='Tom16689' date='23 December 2009 - 04:18 PM' timestamp='1261610294' post='441358']
Nothing from that article is original research. Just drawing their own "conclusions" from other people's research...
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Incorrect: the Eissenberg and Shihadeh (2009) article is original and novel. Read it and see.
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I couldn't find the entire original paper, only other articles discussing it. Could you link it?
I wasn't impressed with the other papers that Eissenberg took part in, their results were backed by nothing other than the authors saying that the results they got were correct, no kind of methods were given.





The OP's article seems shady to me at best...

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[font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i]That sounds like some bullshit to me.[/i][/font]
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[font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i]"Prevention is the most important and pressing issue and no suggested action (page 7) is given in this report whereas a public health catastrophe is looming and so many ideas could immediately be put forward to avoid it and reduce the harm caused by this new widespread form of smoking "[/i][/font]
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[font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Propaganda. They're just trying to stop the fire.[/font]
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[Teissenb]

In the quote below, are you suggesting that Dr. Shihadeh and I were not commissioned by WHO to write the background paper? Because, in fact, we were. This was awhile ago, and I doubt I could dig up the contract to prove it to you, but I can assure you that it happened. I am not sure if this document will convince you or not, but check out the acknowledgments page (p. 7 in the PDF) of this official WHO document:

http://www.who.int/tobacco/global_interaction/tobreg/Waterpipe%20recommendation_Final.pdf

Please note that this document IS NOT the background paper that Dr. Shihadeh and I prepared -- it was much, much longer. This document is a very brief summary aimed at providing some basic information and conclusions/recommendations for WHO member states. It was prepared and published by WHO, not by me or Dr. Shihadeh

So where is the "bullshit"?

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"[font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]This document is mainly based on a background paper drafted by Dr Thomas Eissenberg (USA) and Dr Shihadeh (Lebanon), actually commissioned for this purpose by Dr Yumiko Mochizuki, Director of the WHO [i]Tobacco Free Initiative"[/i][/font]
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[font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"][i]That sounds like some bullshit to me.[/i][/font]
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[Tom1]

[quote name='Teissenb' date='24 December 2009 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1261678266' post='441497']
In the quote below, are you suggesting that Dr. Shihadeh and I were not commissioned by WHO to write the background paper? Because, in fact, we were. This was awhile ago, and I doubt I could dig up the contract to prove it to you, but I can assure you that it happened. I am not sure if this document will convince you or not, but check out the acknowledgments page (p. 7 in the PDF) of this official WHO document:

[url="http://www.who.int/tobacco/global_interaction/tobreg/Waterpipe%20recommendation_Final.pdf"]http://www.who.int/t...ation_Final.pdf[/url]

Please note that this document IS NOT the background paper that Dr. Shihadeh and I prepared -- it was much, much longer. This document is a very brief summary aimed at providing some basic information and conclusions/recommendations for WHO member states. It was prepared and published by WHO, not by me or Dr. Shihadeh

So where is the "bullshit"?

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"[font="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]This document is mainly based on a background paper drafted by Dr Thomas Eissenberg (USA) and Dr Shihadeh (Lebanon), actually commissioned for this purpose by Dr Yumiko Mochizuki, Director of the WHO [i]Tobacco Free Initiative"[/i][/font]
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I was just going by what it said, and by "Bullshit" I mean a research paper on a tobacco product that was payed for by the WHO: Tobacco Free initiative. I'm not saying that the actual research is biased, but it still seems shady at best.


The paper you sent me is good, it sucks that it's not readily available online.