Ch Quicklights And Small Phunnel

[contristo]

seeing as how I usually use two 33mm Golden quicklights, the difference in size and heat of Hookah John's quicklight coals obviously mean different methods on the phunnel.

I simply poke three holes around with none in the middle and I use heavy duty tin foil.

I saw some funky patterns before with more holes toward the outer edge and less toward the middle, so I was curious to see which pattern would be best for a small phunnel going with Hookah John's CH quick lights.

Also, I assume three to be the optimal amount for this setup. It sometimes is great for 5-10 minutes but then fades away dramatically. I think perhaps modifying the heat or hole poking strategy could fix it, so feel free to throw suggestions my way.

[Chreees]

What kind of shisha are we talking about here? I'm assuming Tangiers, because you're using a phunnel... I don't use CH QL's, as I don't like them, nor any QL's for that matter.

Here's what I usually do: I take my small phunnel, use the tealight mod(tealight candle with candle removed and triangles cut into the sides of the holder), and pack the tobacco around it. This saves shisha. I then put the foil on, and poke two, maybe three rings of holes JUST above the tobacco (there'd be no sense in poking holes where the mod is...). I then take two Coconara natural coals, and split them into four halves. Splitting the coals can be done by placing a kitchen knife over the middle of the coal, and hitting the top of the knife with a hammer. Perfect split everytime. I then place the coal halves directly on top of the poked holes, evenly spaced. For flavors that tend to be more heat sensitive, such as horchata and blueberry, I start off with three halves, then add the fourth coal, so as not to burn the tobaccy. Keep in mind this is purely my method of how to do it, and everyone does their own thing. Just wanted to share with you what [i]usually[/i] works for me. I also use this same method for Nakhla.

Here are some pics, because I know you're going to inquire about the tealight mod as to how exactly it is used:

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Hope this helps. If you do not wish to try out Cocos, perhaps try two or three CH coals (or add a third if two isn't cutting it), with plenty of holes all over. The reason I don't have a LOT of holes is because Cocos burn hotter than most other coals, meaning if I poke a lot of holes the tobacco will get burned.

[dakur001]

I personally find three CH quicklights to be too much for a small phunnel; when the first two start to die down (30-45 minutes) I'll throw a third on, but three right off the bat makes for harsh smoke in my experience.

I would also agree that Coco Naras are ideal, but when you don't have the appropriate resources for lighting them, I think two Hookah John QL's are the next best thing for a small phunnel.

[cnygaard]

I typically use two CH QL's on my small phunnel... when they start getting smaller I throw my cheap foil windcover on to make them last a bit longer or I'll light a third. With Nakhla I'll usually use three to get it started but then take it down to two once it is going well. Hope this helps.

[contristo]

[quote name='cnygaard' date='02 January 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1262470332' post='442967']
I typically use two CH QL's on my small phunnel... when they start getting smaller I throw my cheap foil windcover on to make them last a bit longer or I'll light a third. With Nakhla I'll usually use three to get it started but then take it down to two once it is going well. Hope this helps.
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thanks for the advice. how long do the 2 last before you usually throw on a windcover?

just seems odd that i can get 45-50 min off 2 golden quick lights but 3 CH hookah quick light's still only give me 10-15 min per round. this is the third box i've tried and it has not changed.

that's why i figured it had to do with my hole poking pattern. i guess i will try less holes and only two coals instead of three?

[cnygaard]

[quote name='contristo' date='02 January 2010 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1262472090' post='442971']
[quote name='cnygaard' date='02 January 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1262470332' post='442967']
I typically use two CH QL's on my small phunnel... when they start getting smaller I throw my cheap foil windcover on to make them last a bit longer or I'll light a third. With Nakhla I'll usually use three to get it started but then take it down to two once it is going well. Hope this helps.
[/quote]

thanks for the advice. how long do the 2 last before you usually throw on a windcover?

just seems odd that i can get 45-50 min off 2 golden quick lights but 3 CH hookah quick light's still only give me 10-15 min per round. this is the third box i've tried and it has not changed.

that's why i figured it had to do with my hole poking pattern. i guess i will try less holes and only two coals instead of three?
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I get about 30 - 45 minutes off one round of the QLs... After about 25 minutes I'll put the windcover on. I like to have decently large clouds though, so if that isn't as big of deal, you can stretch it to last longer (that's what she said? ). The windcover does add more longevity to the coals than you would think, however.

Hole patterns I've never really given a shit about. I do three or four circular patterns, and I do not poke a hole in the middle where the opening of the bowl is. Seems to have treated me well doing it that way. I've found with Tangiers the way you pack it matters the most, followed by moving the coals around a lot when you start the bowl to get it evenly heated. Nakhla is friendlier in that department, but I still pack it Tangiers style with good success.

Edited January 2, 2010 by cnygaard

[contristo]

[quote name='cnygaard' date='02 January 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1262472268' post='442972']
[quote name='contristo' date='02 January 2010 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1262472090' post='442971']
[quote name='cnygaard' date='02 January 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1262470332' post='442967']
I typically use two CH QL's on my small phunnel... when they start getting smaller I throw my cheap foil windcover on to make them last a bit longer or I'll light a third. With Nakhla I'll usually use three to get it started but then take it down to two once it is going well. Hope this helps.
[/quote]

thanks for the advice. how long do the 2 last before you usually throw on a windcover?

just seems odd that i can get 45-50 min off 2 golden quick lights but 3 CH hookah quick light's still only give me 10-15 min per round. this is the third box i've tried and it has not changed.

that's why i figured it had to do with my hole poking pattern. i guess i will try less holes and only two coals instead of three?
[/quote]


I get about 30 - 45 minutes off one round of the QLs... After about 25 minutes I'll put the windcover on. I like to have decently large clouds though, so if that isn't as big of deal, you can stretch it to last longer (that's what she said? ). The windcover does add more longevity to the coals than you would think, however.

Hole patterns I've never really given a shit about. I do three or four circular patterns, and I do not poke a hole in the middle where the opening of the bowl is. Seems to have treated me well doing it that way. I've found with Tangiers the way you pack it matters the most, followed by moving the coals around a lot when you start the bowl to get it evenly heated. Nakhla is friendlier in that department, but I still pack it Tangiers style with good success.


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what about smoking Al Fakher in the small phunnel? more coals, less coals, different pattern? I only buy tangiers, nakhla, and al fakher and the latter sometimes gives me difficulties in the phunnel.

the coals seem to only last 10-20 min per round regardless of brand though so that's odd

they are still burning red but the smoke just becomes thin and the flavor is less. it does not become harsh, but rather like no coals are on it at all.

keep in mind I have perfect sessions with golden quicklights... I am just using these until they arrive on Monday. so if no quick solution is in order then I will just wait.

I wish Hookah John sold golden quicklights... I have an archaic oven so I don't like to use natural coals, and the fact he doesn't sell this brand is what makes me buy from hookah-shisha constantly

[cnygaard]

[quote name='contristo' date='02 January 2010 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1262473238' post='442976']
[quote name='cnygaard' date='02 January 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1262472268' post='442972']
[quote name='contristo' date='02 January 2010 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1262472090' post='442971']
[quote name='cnygaard' date='02 January 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1262470332' post='442967']
I typically use two CH QL's on my small phunnel... when they start getting smaller I throw my cheap foil windcover on to make them last a bit longer or I'll light a third. With Nakhla I'll usually use three to get it started but then take it down to two once it is going well. Hope this helps.
[/quote]

thanks for the advice. how long do the 2 last before you usually throw on a windcover?

just seems odd that i can get 45-50 min off 2 golden quick lights but 3 CH hookah quick light's still only give me 10-15 min per round. this is the third box i've tried and it has not changed.

that's why i figured it had to do with my hole poking pattern. i guess i will try less holes and only two coals instead of three?
[/quote]

I get about 30 - 45 minutes off one round of the QLs... After about 25 minutes I'll put the windcover on. I like to have decently large clouds though, so if that isn't as big of deal, you can stretch it to last longer (that's what she said? ). The windcover does add more longevity to the coals than you would think, however.

Hole patterns I've never really given a shit about. I do three or four circular patterns, and I do not poke a hole in the middle where the opening of the bowl is. Seems to have treated me well doing it that way. I've found with Tangiers the way you pack it matters the most, followed by moving the coals around a lot when you start the bowl to get it evenly heated. Nakhla is friendlier in that department, but I still pack it Tangiers style with good success.


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what about smoking Al Fakher in the small phunnel? more coals, less coals, different pattern? I only buy tangiers, nakhla, and al fakher and the latter sometimes gives me difficulties in the phunnel.

the coals seem to only last 10-20 min per round regardless of brand though so that's odd

they are still burning red but the smoke just becomes thin and the flavor is less. it does not become harsh, but rather like no coals are on it at all.

keep in mind I have perfect sessions with golden quicklights... I am just using these until they arrive on Monday. so if no quick solution is in order then I will just wait.

I wish Hookah John sold golden quicklights... I have an archaic oven so I don't like to use natural coals, and the fact he doesn't sell this brand is what makes me buy from hookah-shisha constantly
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Al Fakher I pack more loosely, two coals (on opposite sides of the bowl) and a windcover.



It seems like the foil may be sunk into the phunnel hole. The CH coals do weigh more than the golden quicklights. Take your poker from your tongs and lift the foil up so it isnt touching the middle of the bowl. If you pack the bowl up more, you won't have this issue as much. If the coals are still large and red, then there isn't any reason why you shouldn't be getting a good smoke out of the bowl. Do you find it difficult to pull from the hose? Edited January 3, 2010 by cnygaard